wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting


I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.

You missed the part about employer delays?

Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.




There are many ways employers can delay a vote.

On Nov 25, 3:09*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Police brutality is actually quite common place, but we all know that
you wouldn't let facts get in the way of your low life behavior.

On Nov 25, 3:09*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Isn't that sweet, you got salty hiding under your desk,, is he playing
with your skirt?

On Nov 25, 3:10*pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting

I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.

You missed the part about employer delays?

Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.

There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? You still
haven't answered one question today..

On Nov 25, 3:19*pm, wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:09*pm, Boater wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Police brutality is actually quite common place, but we all know that
you wouldn't let facts get in the way of your low life behavior.

Forget Salty, he is a cowardly little troll, not worth your time, he
is just words, never man enough to back em' up..

wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? You still
haven't answered one question today..


You can't read? I told you: when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.

On Nov 25, 3:48*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election..
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? *You still
haven't answered one question today..

You can't read? I told you: *when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:48 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? You still
haven't answered one question today..
You can't read? I told you: when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

As previously stated:

When you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and
simple sentences.-

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On Nov 25, 11:35 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

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Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.

Your story isn't relevant... I'm sure you worked someplace "special".

But do tell, Don... did you ever participate in a walk-out, a work
slowdown, or a strike? Did your union ever demand something and tell
the company if they didn't get it, they'd strike? You know, did they
use intimidation?

Probably not. You were a member of the puss union.
************************************************** ****

One year, we refused their usual demands to weaken our contract and they
'locked us out'.
Yours truly handled the 'strike pay'
I have a hammed-up picture somewhere of the female vice president on her
knees begging for money while I play scrooge, with wads of $20 bills falling
out of every pocket I had. Life on the actual line got tedius after 3
weeks...and of course it was winter.