On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:31:12 -0500, Boater wrote:

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
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Get your facts strait..asswipe. CEOs, their lavish BONUSES, AND bad
designing...threw GM down the toilet.
I think you're jealous ( and too stupid, IQ wise ) YOU dont have a
good paying union job. You're also mad because you're working at the
FIRST job you ever had.....AGAIN.
They both did. That is why chapter 11 is necessary. Then you can
really fix this problem and not just play rant and rhetoric to it.

In chapter 11 the wages will be adjusted immediately. Management
and union alike.


Well, an attempt will be made by the bankruptcy judge or his assignee.
All or most contracted parties must approve the reorganization plan
in order to eventually re-emerge out of Chapter 11.

This would include management, contracted (union) employees, vendors
and other creditors. The plan must also be believable and viable.
Otherwise, it's off to Chapter 7 land.

Eisboch




Total compensation for the CEO of a large corporation should be no
more than 10 times the total compensation of the pay of the average
worker at the company.

To be considered a worker you actually have to put in an honest days
work, not just show up, take a morning break, lunch, afternoon break and
leave when the whistle blows. You are expected to produce.


Then I guess Bush wasn't a worker. No wonder we're so foched.

Maybe it's the guys you hang around with, Harry. I don't feel that way at
all.
--
John H.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Get your facts strait..asswipe. CEOs, their lavish BONUSES, AND bad
designing...threw GM down the toilet.
I think you're jealous ( and too stupid, IQ wise ) YOU dont have a
good paying union job. You're also mad because you're working at the
FIRST job you ever had.....AGAIN.

They both did. That is why chapter 11 is necessary. Then you can really
fix this problem and not just play rant and rhetoric to it.

In chapter 11 the wages will be adjusted immediately. Management and
union alike.


Well, an attempt will be made by the bankruptcy judge or his assignee.
All or most contracted parties must approve the reorganization plan in
order to eventually re-emerge out of Chapter 11.

This would include management, contracted (union) employees, vendors and
other creditors. The plan must also be believable and viable.
Otherwise, it's off to Chapter 7 land.

Eisboch

I am no lawyer, just that I thought in chapter 11 the judge had the power of
arbitration to stop money losses and the like. Forcing contract, creditors,
management, union down to fix things or else decide for them by a set of
guidelines. If it doesn't look good or work, chapter 7 for liquidation.

Getting unions, management and creditors to agree without some heavy stick,
doubtful.

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:31:12 -0500, Boater wrote:

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Get your facts strait..asswipe. CEOs, their lavish BONUSES, AND bad
designing...threw GM down the toilet.
I think you're jealous ( and too stupid, IQ wise ) YOU dont have a
good paying union job. You're also mad because you're working at the
FIRST job you ever had.....AGAIN.
They both did. That is why chapter 11 is necessary. Then you can
really fix this problem and not just play rant and rhetoric to it.

In chapter 11 the wages will be adjusted immediately. Management
and union alike.

Well, an attempt will be made by the bankruptcy judge or his assignee.
All or most contracted parties must approve the reorganization plan
in order to eventually re-emerge out of Chapter 11.

This would include management, contracted (union) employees, vendors
and other creditors. The plan must also be believable and viable.
Otherwise, it's off to Chapter 7 land.

Eisboch



Total compensation for the CEO of a large corporation should be no
more than 10 times the total compensation of the pay of the average
worker at the company.
To be considered a worker you actually have to put in an honest days
work, not just show up, take a morning break, lunch, afternoon break and
leave when the whistle blows. You are expected to produce.

Then I guess Bush wasn't a worker. No wonder we're so foched.

Maybe it's the guys you hang around with, Harry. I don't feel that way at
all.


Well, you do have to have a working brain. You didn't have many smarts
to begin with, and you seem to be rapidly aging mentally. That's why I
suggested you look into assisted living. You're going to need it soon.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:01:09 -0500, Boater wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:31:12 -0500, Boater wrote:

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...

Get your facts strait..asswipe. CEOs, their lavish BONUSES, AND bad
designing...threw GM down the toilet.
I think you're jealous ( and too stupid, IQ wise ) YOU dont have a
good paying union job. You're also mad because you're working at the
FIRST job you ever had.....AGAIN.
They both did. That is why chapter 11 is necessary. Then you can
really fix this problem and not just play rant and rhetoric to it.

In chapter 11 the wages will be adjusted immediately. Management
and union alike.

Well, an attempt will be made by the bankruptcy judge or his assignee.
All or most contracted parties must approve the reorganization plan
in order to eventually re-emerge out of Chapter 11.

This would include management, contracted (union) employees, vendors
and other creditors. The plan must also be believable and viable.
Otherwise, it's off to Chapter 7 land.

Eisboch



Total compensation for the CEO of a large corporation should be no
more than 10 times the total compensation of the pay of the average
worker at the company.
To be considered a worker you actually have to put in an honest days
work, not just show up, take a morning break, lunch, afternoon break and
leave when the whistle blows. You are expected to produce.

Then I guess Bush wasn't a worker. No wonder we're so foched.

Maybe it's the guys you hang around with, Harry. I don't feel that way at
all.


Well, you do have to have a working brain. You didn't have many smarts
to begin with, and you seem to be rapidly aging mentally. That's why I
suggested you look into assisted living. You're going to need it soon.

Was it your working brain that got 'foched'? Through your ear?

How're the pustules coming, Harry?
--
John H.

On Nov 15, 10:42*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Selfish union workers sent GM down the toilet with their lavish pay
scales and now that GM is sunk they expect the US taxpayer to keep
them in their profligate ways.

as opposed to the selfless, poverty stricken hedge fund managers, wall
street investors, and the corporate CEOS with their hundred million
dollar paychecks who did so much for our economy in the past year?

On Nov 16, 8:36*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Nov 15, 10:42*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Selfish union workers sent GM down the toilet with their lavish pay
scales and now that GM is sunk they expect the US taxpayer to keep
them in their profligate ways.

as opposed to the selfless, poverty stricken hedge fund managers, wall
street investors, and the corporate CEOS with their hundred million
dollar paychecks who did so much for our economy in the past year?

"For all have sinned....."

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:37:59 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Nov 16, 8:36*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Nov 15, 10:42*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Selfish union workers sent GM down the toilet with their lavish pay
scales and now that GM is sunk they expect the US taxpayer to keep
them in their profligate ways.

as opposed to the selfless, poverty stricken hedge fund managers, wall
street investors, and the corporate CEOS with their hundred million
dollar paychecks who did so much for our economy in the past year?

"For all have sinned....."

Are you stalking me?

Getting pretty personal there, you know!
--
A Harry Krause truism:

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Nov 15, 10:42 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Selfish union workers sent GM down the toilet with their lavish pay
scales and now that GM is sunk they expect the US taxpayer to keep
them in their profligate ways.

as opposed to the selfless, poverty stricken hedge fund managers, wall
street investors, and the corporate CEOS with their hundred million
dollar paychecks who did so much for our economy in the past year?
----
Yep, time to share the loses.

GMT - Government Motors Tax 3%
BAT - Bank America Tax 5%
---------
8% on everything you buy.

At least it is fair disclosure as that is what it costs.

On Nov 16, 6:29*am, Jim wrote:
wrote:

Get your facts strait..asswipe. CEOs, their lavish BONUSES, AND bad
designing...threw GM down the toilet.
I think you're jealous ( and too stupid, IQ wise ) YOU dont have a
good paying union job. You're also mad because you're working at the
FIRST job you ever had.....AGAIN.

Slammy,
Union members and union employees are wasting their money on union dues.
* They will get better return for their investment in dues if they just
put the money in the bank. The union heyday is over. Benefits programs
are disintegrating and soon you will be out of work, thanks to your own
greed. The gravy train has jumped the tracks.
Slammy,
I hope you are smart enough, IQ wise to be making alternative plans.

Union members and union employees are wasting their money on union
dues.

$60.00 a month...not a lot of money in dues.

You, obviously dont know what the **** I do, and where I work. I DONT
make the cars....... I MOVE the cars.
The poster is full of ****, and probably works at Wal-Mart rounding up
the carts.
Most likely was fired from a " Union " job, for being a drunk, or has
retired, and is ****ed off he doesnt have enough money to live on.

On Nov 16, 10:02*am, "Canuck57" wrote:
wrote in message

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Get your facts strait..asswipe. CEOs, their lavish BONUSES, AND bad
designing...threw GM down the toilet.
I think you're jealous ( and too stupid, IQ wise ) YOU dont have a
good paying union job. You're also mad because you're working at the
FIRST job you ever had.....AGAIN.

They both did. *That is why chapter 11 is necessary. *Then you can really
fix this problem and not just play rant and rhetoric to it.

In chapter 11 the wages will be adjusted immediately. *Management and union
alike.

I'll believe that when I see it, dip****.