wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them before 6 mos.

Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.


What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated a
contract?

That's the way it is supposed to be.

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them before
6 mos.

Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.


What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated a
contract?

Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.

Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.

It has to do with union labor.

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them before 6
mos.

Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.


What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated a
contract?

Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.

Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the hands-off
regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the crooks in the
Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the bail-out money.

It has to do with union labor.

It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American consumer
always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality, efficiency and
quality should have been the criteria.

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them before 6
mos.
Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.

What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated a
contract?
Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.
Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the hands-off
regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the crooks in the
Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the bail-out money.
It has to do with union labor.

It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American consumer
always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality, efficiency and
quality should have been the criteria.



What's the name of that big Canadian car company?

DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas
prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions
priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term
thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are
in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever
and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them
before 6 mos.
Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.

What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met
at the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and
negotiated a contract?
Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.
Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.
It has to do with union labor.

It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American
consumer always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality,
efficiency and quality should have been the criteria.


What's the name of that big Canadian car company?

Generel Motors Windsor Assembly Plant. See if Donny can spot the typo.

"Jim" wrote in message
...
DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas
prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions
priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term
thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are
in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever
and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them
before 6 mos.
Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the
unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to
be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.

What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated
a contract?
Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.
Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.
It has to do with union labor.

It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American
consumer always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality,
efficiency and quality should have been the criteria.


What's the name of that big Canadian car company?

Generel Motors Windsor Assembly Plant. See if Donny can spot the typo.

Spot this...typo boy!

Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas
prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions
priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term
thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are
in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever
and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them
before 6 mos.
Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the
unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to
be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.
What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated
a contract?
Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.
Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.
It has to do with union labor.
It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American
consumer always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality,
efficiency and quality should have been the criteria.

What's the name of that big Canadian car company?
Generel Motors Windsor Assembly Plant. See if Donny can spot the typo.

Spot this...typo boy!



On a pass/fail basis that would clearly be a *fail*. Even I was
surprised to see that. Donnie is dumber than I thought.

That is still not a Canadian car company.

"Jim" wrote in message
...
DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas
prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions
priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term
thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are
in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever
and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them
before 6 mos.
Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the
unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to
be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.

What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated
a contract?
Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.
Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.
It has to do with union labor.

It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American
consumer always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality,
efficiency and quality should have been the criteria.


What's the name of that big Canadian car company?

Generel Motors Windsor Assembly Plant. See if Donny can spot the typo.

Government Motors.

There, fixed.

"DK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas
prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions
priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term
thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are in
a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever
and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them before
6 mos.
Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.

What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met at
the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and negotiated
a contract?
Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.
Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.
It has to do with union labor.

It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American
consumer always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality,
efficiency and quality should have been the criteria.

What's the name of that big Canadian car company?

Canada Car, what else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Car_and_Foundry

Sucking government and tax payers money like a fish in water until they
finally sold it off and closed the plants. It was so good to have them off
the hind tit, saving tax payers billions. A poster child of why government
needs to stay out of business including subsidies, loans and the like. Much
like GM is now, just a whole lot smaller.

There was also Bricklin, an American who came to New Bruinswick because the
government money was so easy. All wasted cash. Taxpayers would have been
better off burning cash in the fireplace, at least they would be warm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricklin_SV-1

Government into auto/transportation business is pure 100% suicide for the
cash you pour into it.

How we never learn. Add them to the likes of Bombardier, DeHavelin,
McDonnald Douglas. Pure sink holes for money to disappear.

You know, like banks in the US promising not to use government money for
executive bailouts. They will just us the money they would have used to run
the company instead.

Socialism sucks taxpayers down the rabbit hole.

DK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:12 pm, tin cup wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
The Dems want to give 25 Billion to their friends at GM while GM
builds the worst sorta crap I have ever seen. Their unions and
management deserve to fail for giving us such garbage. They have
designed the worst sort of vehicles that nobody wants when gas
prices
are high and their quality is still on the bottom. The unions
priced
themselves out of work and the management allowed short term
thinking
that produced the gas hogs they cannot give away. No bailouts for
Bull****.
The Unions didn't do squat.
The bean counters and Wall Street's demand for maximum spread and
gambling did them in along with the rest of us.
How come you idiots keep blaming American workers whether they are
in a
union or not. Obviously you are running a quicker mart or whatever
and
paying your wage slaves 7.50 an hour no benefits and fire them
before 6 mos.
Labor costs are a big part of gm's problem. Unfortunately the unions,
in their zeal, helped cause the problem. I mean let's face it, where
else besides auto plants could you get $25 - $30 dollars an hour for
semi-skilled labor. And the retirement programs are turning out to be
extremely costly. They were not based on your condtributions into an
account like today. They were fixed payouts based on your years of
service. A lot of those semi-skilled laborers retired at a fairly
young age and many get $50k or more a year in retirement.

What's your point, that a representative of assembly line works met
at the bargaining table with the employer of those workers and
negotiated a contract?
Negotiated a contract? I don't believe that for a minute.

That's the way it is supposed to be.
Who are we going to threaten with a strike this year?

The fix we are in right now has nothing to do with union workers and
everything to do with the landed aristocracy in this country of Wall
Street financial manipulators and corporate executives, and the
hands-off regulatory style of the Bush Administration. Even now, the
crooks in the Bush Administration won't tell us who is getting the
bail-out money.
It has to do with union labor.

It's a wonder you know how to tie your shoelaces in the morning.
It's the greed of everyone involved in the auto industry....led by the
example of the senior management and the stupidity of the American
consumer always wanting bigger & better when durability, practicality,
efficiency and quality should have been the criteria.


What's the name of that big Canadian car company?

GMFordChrysler of the USA