On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:49:39 +1000, "Non Toxic"

And nothing about a decent memory card format......


It still mainly targeting the marine market so its still needs to support
pre-programmed marine chart datacards.



My point is that it is not either targeting (Garmins marketing) or
being used as primarlily a marine unit.

This was also the case with the 276C.

It is frustrating that this format 'issue' could be eaisly and cheaply
fixed and if Garmin was concerned about backward compatibility
it is easy and cheap to have both Garmin format and SD format card
slots.

But then we had to batter Garmin over the head for several years to
get USB so I do not know why I expected anything else.

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:02:13 -0400, Larry wrote:

"Pascal" wrote in
oups.com:

The "ShipPlotter" software already does this,have you see it?
http://www.shipplotter.com

Yes, I found Ship Plotter, too. But I want the navigation software boys to
use this same soundcard/radio idea with their NAV software so we can get
accurate AIS plotting on the extensive charting programs we are already
paying heavily to use. We already have all the charts that The Cap'n
produces. The Cap'n now needs an AIS module added to it to use the tones
coming into the computer from the sound card audio input to plot all these
targets right on its existing extensive chart plots.

What a great product it will be when it combines what Ship Plotter does on
its limited plotter with the extensive database charting The Cap'n or other
charting software already is capable of doing.

According to a pamphlet on my desk at home, CAPN 8 supports AIS, but
it doesn't say how. I found no mention of it online. Anyway, CAPN
took themselves off my list with their S-57 ENC "support". According
to this pamphlet, they're recoding S-57s (in their SoftChart product
line) into a proprietary format. No mention of supporting the real
thing. They brag that they are the first vendor to support the new
format. Not surprising since it's their format. The language is
confusing, but careful examination of the language seems to say that
when they are talking about ENC "compatibility without cumbersome
downloading" they are talking about this proprietary format. Not the
solution I was looking for.

However, they do have an add-on module that supports Admiralty charts.
It's extra charge, but that's OK. It's a low demand feature, they
probably make nothing on the charts, they probably have to pay to use
the proprietary Admiralty ARCS format, and I believe the price is $75,
which seems not entirely extortionate.

Glen

__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at world wide wiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

Pascal,

why do you keep speaking of Garmin proprietary AIS? Do you have any evidence? Garmin is not a specialist manufacturer of communications equippement.... and anyway, all AIS receivers use the same output format and protocoll (NMEA VDM). So if you are interested in one, go and buy it, they are out there starting at 200,- bucks....
And if Garmin doesn't realise the importance of AIS-support for their plotters, they'll soon loose significant market share anyway...


Holger

"Glen \"Wiley\" Wilson" wrote in
:

ccording to a pamphlet on my desk at home, CAPN 8 supports AIS

Thanks, Glen. I'll go check that out.

Any nav program that can accept the NMEA 0183 statement from the packaged
receiver (or transponder) can display the data.

--
Larry

"Burnie M" wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:49:39 +1000, "Non Toxic"

And nothing about a decent memory card format......


It still mainly targeting the marine market so its still needs to support
pre-programmed marine chart datacards.



My point is that it is not either targeting (Garmins marketing) or
being used as primarlily a marine unit.

This was also the case with the 276C.

It is frustrating that this format 'issue' could be eaisly and cheaply
fixed and if Garmin was concerned about backward compatibility
it is easy and cheap to have both Garmin format and SD format card
slots.

But then we had to batter Garmin over the head for several years to
get USB so I do not know why I expected anything else.


Get over it Burnie. Its not a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. Its designed
that way for a purpose.

In fact the 376C adds extra MARINE features to the 276C model. In addition,
both units are only listed on Garmin's website as Marine Chart Plotters and
neither are anywhere to be seen on the Mobile Electronics page. The Garmin
format card is an integral part of the Marine Bluechart distribution and it
maintains compatibility with all of Garmins Marine Chart Plotters. Most
mariners just want a card they can purchase and plug in.

Just because YOU purchased one for vehicle use, doesn't mean everyone is
primarily using it that way or that your application is the preferred one.
The in-car navigation feature is additional to the primary Marine
applications it was designed for. Since you bought a marine chart plotter
primarily for vehicle use only then you have to accept it will probably have
some limitations in that area.

NT
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In article ,
Non Toxic wrote:
...
complaints about the non standard datacards
...
Get over it Burnie. Its not a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. Its designed
that way for a purpose.

Owning two Garmin units with the non standard datacards, I agree
with the other complainers that this is a 'fault' that needs to be
'fixed'. The only purpose for hangin on to them seems commercial,
i.e. in Garmins interest and not something beneficial to the
customers.
I doubt it is a wise decision for Garmin on the long run. I, for
one, will certainly not buy another unit with non-standard cards,
even though I have allready spend a shipload of money on both
Garmin's and C-map mapping software.

In fact the 376C adds extra MARINE features to the 276C model. In addition,
both units are only listed on Garmin's website as Marine Chart Plotters and
neither are anywhere to be seen on the Mobile Electronics page. The Garmin
format card is an integral part of the Marine Bluechart distribution and it
maintains compatibility with all of Garmins Marine Chart Plotters. Most
mariners just want a card they can purchase and plug in.

This is definately NOT true. Most mariners do not WANT to "just buy
A card to plugin": they HAD to do this because RayMarine, Garmin,
and other manufacturers only provided the map-data on such cards.

Slowly this is changing now, also for Garmin's BlueChart: if you
look f.i. at the availability of BlueChart for UK/NL/BE, you will
see that the availability of BlueChart on pre-programmed cards is
only a subset of what is available on CD-rom. This is true for a
number of years already, and as serious mariners update their maps
regularly, the "compatibility with old pre-programmed cards"-argument
is just not valid anymore. Certainly not for new equipment, one
which one usually wishes to use up-to-date mapping data instead of
using years out-dated data on old pre-programmed cards.

Another reason to go away of mapping software on pre-programmed
cards is the increasing availability of update-programs for mapping
data by Garmin's competition. Especially in regions where the
seabottom is not stable (f.i. the Wadden in NL) up-to-date maps are
essential for save navigation.

Regards,
-- ted

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:48:37 +1000, "Non Toxic"
wrote:


But then we had to batter Garmin over the head for several years to
get USB so I do not know why I expected anything else.



Get over it Burnie. Its not a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. Its designed
that way for a purpose.


NT


I am a customer. This is feedback.
Respond or do not respond as you wish.

If I am selecting the wrong unit then please point me to the right
one.
I require;
Auto-routing for onroad use
Manual routing, trackback and UTM grid for offroad use
A reasonable sized screen.
Waterproof for occasional motorcycle use and
Standard (SD or CF) format memory card

Which unit do you recommend ?

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:42:02 +1000, Burnie M
wrote:

If I am selecting the wrong unit then please point me to the right
one.
I require;
Auto-routing for onroad use
Manual routing, trackback and UTM grid for offroad use
A reasonable sized screen.
Waterproof for occasional motorcycle use and
Standard (SD or CF) format memory card

Which unit do you recommend ?

Streetpilot 2610.

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:42:02 +1000, Burnie M
wrote:

If I am selecting the wrong unit then please point me to the right
one.
I require;
Auto-routing for onroad use
Manual routing, trackback and UTM grid for offroad use
A reasonable sized screen.
Waterproof for occasional motorcycle use and
Standard (SD or CF) format memory card

Which unit do you recommend ?



On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:08:15 +0200, "Robert Elsinga =8-)"
t wrote:
Streetpilot 2610.



SP2610 does not have UTM or trackback
next ?

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:24:44 +1000, Burnie M
wrote:

Streetpilot 2610.

SP2610 does not have UTM or trackback

Oops... didn't see that...

next ?

Drop some requirements...? The combination trackback+CF+autorouting is
killing...

The Quest can do UTm, trackback and autorouting, but has no memory
cards. The 276C can do it all but has Garmin cards. Magellan probably
has receivers that do everything, but autorouting (in a decent way,
since their routable maps seem to s*ck).