"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote

YO! MEINDERT! YOU READIN' DIS BO?!!

Yes, and I certainly haven't experienced what Glenn is describing with the
screens I've worked with. they were resistive and you have to apply more
pressure than a 20 knot wind does......
But I'll ask the yard who built and maintains this yacht tomorrow, to see
if
they have any complaints from the owner.

I suppose they can be made with different sensitivities but my resistive
display a water resistant ELO. Besides their own displays ELO supplies
touch screen overlays and modules for a lot of display makers. It doesn't
seem to be effected by water drops the way the capacitive one is but if I am
within 18" of it and sneeze it is the same as randomly hitting the left
mouse button. A steady overall even wind pressure may not do it.

My main objection is selection accuracy. If the software is built with
touch screen in mind so the select areas are big enough it would be OK but
it is very hard to hit the right normal sized drop down or radio button with
a finger. Setting a waypoint accurately without over zooming is darned near
impossible. I couldn't imagine picking a menu item on Visual Suite or
MaxSea in any kind of a swell.

--
Glenn Ashmore

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Pressure sensitive? Like the old screens with the film on them? That
might work....well, at least until something bumps it making a dimple,
which is what did in the old screens.

These have surface hardness 4H (ASTM-D-3363-92A standard). I 'm not up to
speed with this standard, but I see it mentioned a lot in screen specs for
touch environments. And from the touch of it, these screens are not equipped
with a soft film. No dimples unless you throw solid items at them, I
suppose.

Meindert

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:E9eDe.172616$sy6.33959@lakeread04...
I suppose they can be made with different sensitivities but my resistive
display a water resistant ELO. Besides their own displays ELO supplies
touch screen overlays and modules for a lot of display makers. It doesn't
seem to be effected by water drops the way the capacitive one is but if I
am
within 18" of it and sneeze it is the same as randomly hitting the left
mouse button. A steady overall even wind pressure may not do it.

These screens were certainly not that sensitive, as I remember.

My main objection is selection accuracy. If the software is built with
touch screen in mind so the select areas are big enough it would be OK but
it is very hard to hit the right normal sized drop down or radio button
with
a finger. Setting a waypoint accurately without over zooming is darned
near
impossible. I couldn't imagine picking a menu item on Visual Suite or
MaxSea in any kind of a swell.

That I agree with you. I've been sitting behind 5 of those screens on the
bridge of a 98 footer for 4 weeks (in an expensive Recaro chair, very nice
development environment :-) ), programming in Kylix on Linux. It was indeed
tricky to hit a menu on the spot. But the main functions of these screens
were to display (engine-) control systems with large buttons. Indeed
developed with the touchscreens in mind. Operation Nobeltec was next to
impossible.

Meindert

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in
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within 18" of it and sneeze it is the same as randomly hitting the left
mouse button

Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon from Scott Adams. Wally passes Dilbert's
cubicle and hears Dilbert say to his computer, "Left two columns. Add new
column. Run spreadsheet."

"Ah, I see you have a new voice-controlled computer. It's much faster than
my old machine in MY cubicle. I bet it can even _DELETE_A_FILE!_" (ding-
beep-click-spoit).

Dilbert's hair is standing on end and he looks like you just shot his
mom... Wally rolls around laughing holding his stomach.

One of the funniest ones...(c;

--
Larry

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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programming in Kylix on Linux

Sorta like Dbase II in DOS....hee hee.

You got it programming in C++ or Delphi, Meindert?

--
Larry

Real programmers use:
COPY CON PROGRAM.EXE

Actually the one I returned as not bright enough was OK as far as accuracy
goes. I am using Chartwork's NautiQ software that has quite large buttons.
Tended to use a cocktail stick (used to stir Gin & Tonic) so put any
inaccuracies down to the gin rather than the screen. It at least saved
getting wet or greasy marks all over the screen.

Phil

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in
news:E9eDe.172616$sy6.33959@lakeread04:

within 18" of it and sneeze it is the same as randomly hitting the left
mouse button

Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon from Scott Adams. Wally passes Dilbert's
cubicle and hears Dilbert say to his computer, "Left two columns. Add new
column. Run spreadsheet."

"Ah, I see you have a new voice-controlled computer. It's much faster
than
my old machine in MY cubicle. I bet it can even _DELETE_A_FILE!_" (ding-
beep-click-spoit).

Dilbert's hair is standing on end and he looks like you just shot his
mom... Wally rolls around laughing holding his stomach.

One of the funniest ones...(c;

--
Larry

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Meindert Sprang" wrote in
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programming in Kylix on Linux

Sorta like Dbase II in DOS....hee hee.

Very odd comparison, I must say :-)
"My" linux box on that boat was about the only one that didn't crash
occasionally.....

You got it programming in C++ or Delphi, Meindert?

No, in Kylix. That is the Linux version of Delphi.

Meindert

Meindert Sprang wrote:
"Glenn Ashmore" wrote:
My main objection is selection accuracy. If the software is built with
touch screen in mind so the select areas are big enough it would be OK but
it is very hard to hit the right normal sized drop down or radio button
with a finger. Setting a waypoint accurately without over zooming is darned
near impossible. I couldn't imagine picking a menu item on Visual Suite or
MaxSea in any kind of a swell.

[snip]

Indeed
developed with the touchscreens in mind. Operation Nobeltec was next to
impossible.

Which is why Nobeltec suggests you use Admiral with a touchscreen; the
bigger sister (brother?) to VNS which has a special touchscreen mode
(called Navview).

Btw, what also works is using your fingernail, and using a smaller
screen which allows you to stabilize position by keeping one or two
fingers steadied on the side of the screen. Hey, you might even "shape"
a fingernail in a more pointy fashion grin/.

I found that using it this way I could also use the normal mode of
operation in Admiral (called Planview) quite succesfully...

As my sailing boat is quite a lot smaller than 98' :-) I use a portable
touchscreen made by Panasonic. Touchscreen-wise this is excellent; we
were doused with north sea water this year but no issues with the
screen. Viewability in direct sunlight is so so, but as it's portable
you can move it around until you get a good view (some angles are quite
good in sunlight, others are a total washout).

On our summer trip this year it was really good to be able to sit in the
cockpit and navigate waters that were new to us. Especially the south
coast of Norway which is quite frightening when you're new to it (lots
of rocks instead of the sand and mud that my crew and myself are used to).

--
Kees

"Kees Verruijt" wrote in message
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Which is why Nobeltec suggests you use Admiral with a touchscreen; the
bigger sister (brother?) to VNS which has a special touchscreen mode
(called Navview).

Didn't work. Unlike I stated earlier, these touchscreens are capacitive.

Meindert

Meindert Sprang wrote:
"Kees Verruijt" wrote in message
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Which is why Nobeltec suggests you use Admiral with a touchscreen; the
bigger sister (brother?) to VNS which has a special touchscreen mode
(called Navview).


Didn't work. Unlike I stated earlier, these touchscreens are capacitive.

Meindert



Hi Meindert,

I don't understand what you're saying. Admiral is computer software, how
does this relate to your remark that touchscreens are capacitive?

Kees