Thank you for your input.

Being more of a sailor, than a network or IT expert, the reason
for me raising the question in this group was a letter from a
fellow called Bruce - Feb.12th - that gave an short resumé of his
solution, and I liked it, and tried to 'call' him for some more
details - you know: From sailor to sailor - obviously. and
unfortunately without a positive result.

It is my experience that it is often much easier to follow or
join a conversation/discussion about exchange of ideas, and some
ones experience with specific solutions, when the participants
'are at the same footings', and share the same interests. Me
talking to a very bright computer/network expert is not always
very giving, as he or she does not understand, what I do not
understand. And the result is ... ... well, not very useful - one
could say ...

But I got your message. Thank you.
--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
....
skrev i en meddelelse
oups.com...
Your question is definetly a networking issue, compatible devices
and
software configuration. This is independent of what you running
on your
pc. Get the PPC networked to your Pc using a wireless network
hub, and
get VNC configured properly. All else is irrelevant.

If this doesn't help, try other newsgroups geared to Pocket PCs
and
networking, VNCs.

Good luck.
Luis Castro

By the Way, all the below is a network connection, but not of the
type
that will sustain VNC. So your barking up the wrong tree. Get
your PPC
and PC wireless networked, and run VNC to the IP address you give
your
Pc.

Chart plotting on a small screen, may be very cumbersome, beside
time-consuming.



Flemming Torp (kanelbolle anmar) wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" skrev i en
meddelelse ...
Flemming Torp wrote:
Thank you for your input. All I know, is that there is a
cable
connection between the socket of my PPC and into a USB port
in
my
notebook. The program is called Microsoft ActiveSync, and I
can
'see' the memory of the PPC from explorer on the notebook,
when
the PPC is in the craddle ... And via this connection I can
send
data back and forth. F.ex. synchronize Outlook, download
maps
from PC to PPC.
Snip

I carried out an experiment last night. Set up my laptop and
moved the
wireless mouse away to the far end of the room. I was able to
control the
mouse on-screen from 20 feet away. Set up a remote TFT
display
at this
distance and was able to work the laptop from at least 20
feet
away.

Now, if the remote screen could be made portable and
weatherproof..........................

My wife has an old (you know, a couple of years) 15" TFT for
office use only.
As I'm looking for a 'nice to know-solution' (not to say
'quick&dirty'), and the screen needs a power cable anyway, so
I'm
not that concerned about the cable to the PC ... So may be, she
really needs a new 17" TFT monitor? I will ask her ...

What about setting it up behind a perspex window in the
cockpit
bulkhead?
Not impossible, and certainly a cheap solution. All modern
TFT's are
equipped for wall mounting, which makes it easy to set up.

A 19" TFT costing UK£225 is available, and could be seen from
anywhere in
the cockpit provided there was enough space in the bulkhead
to
mount it.
Only trouble is, these things consume power like there is no
tomorrow!

And also the contrast/light of the monitor could be a problem -
I
will have to make an experiment ...
As my initial idea was to use my PPC, I think 15" will be OK.
Some kind of protection will be needed - and, I agree, the
power
consumption is an issue.
I will give it a try with my wife's TFT, before I invest in
something new ...

Now, where did I put that
jigsaw..................................?


Dennis

No Sir! This is just a 'nice to have' supplement to the 'real
navigation equipment down under' - no jigsaw will be needed in
this case ... If I won in the lottery, and would spend DKK
52.000,- for the RayMarine M 1500 monitor (one U$ equals 5,70
DKK) it might (just might!) deserve its own 'whole' in the
bulkhead ... but to be honest - its not on the top of my wish
list ...

Thank you for your constructive input!

--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day
working'
...

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:27:59 +0100, "Flemming Torp"
fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote:

Thank you for your input.

Being more of a sailor, than a network or IT expert, the reason
for me raising the question in this group was a letter from a
fellow called Bruce - Feb.12th - that gave an short resumé of his
solution, and I liked it, and tried to 'call' him for some more
details - you know: From sailor to sailor - obviously. and
unfortunately without a positive result.

It is my experience that it is often much easier to follow or
join a conversation/discussion about exchange of ideas, and some
ones experience with specific solutions, when the participants
'are at the same footings', and share the same interests. Me
talking to a very bright computer/network expert is not always
very giving, as he or she does not understand, what I do not
understand. And the result is ... ... well, not very useful - one
could say ...

But I got your message. Thank you.

Don't give up yet. It works over USB. I suggest you get the software
and try it. I have the URLs somwhere if you need them. You need to
connect to the IP address your PC uses for USB. I could not find this
from the PC or the PPC directly but using vxIPConfig on the PPC it
gave the PPC IP address as 192.168.55.100 and the default gateway as
192.168.55.100. I called 192.168.55.100 with the wifi switched off on
both the PC and PPC and it worked. The IP address may well be the
same for you or perhaps not. . .

It is quite slow on the PPC when the PC screen is changing and this
locks up the scroll bars until it catches up. It works quicker if you
can reduce the size of the map on the PC to match the PPC screen. It
also seem quicker with vector charts, probably because they have less
detail to update.

How nice to get an advice that is constructive, empathic and well
written. You are suggesting a solution that is 'within reach' .
Do I understand you correctly when you are talking about USB,
that I can actually use the cable between the cradle in which the
PPC is placed when running MS ActivSync to the PC?

Some of my sons will be 'home' during the Easter Holidays - and I
do hope they will be able to help me out here. Thank you for
your: "don't give up" and your specific hint!

As to the practical experience: How is it working on the boat? Is
the screen large enough - bright enough - do you get useful help
from this little screen or is it more or less useless. In my
opinion - even the 7" chartplotters are somewhat difficult to use
.... zoom in/zoom out ... I'm not convinced this is the way to go
(the 'PPC-way'), but I'm interested in learning from other
sailors experience - what's what we call a search/learning
proces. To be honest I'm still pretty happy with the paper charts
and a compass, and GPS ...

But with four boys pushing for evolution and eager to play with
new tecnologies, I try - somewhat reluctantly - to move into the
new 'world' of IT and electronics ... with yours and other
fellows help - thank you.

--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
....

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" skrev i en
meddelelse ...
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:27:59 +0100, "Flemming Torp"
fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote:

Thank you for your input.

Being more of a sailor, than a network or IT expert, the reason
for me raising the question in this group was a letter from a
fellow called Bruce - Feb.12th - that gave an short resumé of
his
solution, and I liked it, and tried to 'call' him for some more
details - you know: From sailor to sailor - obviously. and
unfortunately without a positive result.

It is my experience that it is often much easier to follow or
join a conversation/discussion about exchange of ideas, and
some
ones experience with specific solutions, when the participants
'are at the same footings', and share the same interests. Me
talking to a very bright computer/network expert is not always
very giving, as he or she does not understand, what I do not
understand. And the result is ... ... well, not very useful -
one
could say ...

But I got your message. Thank you.

Don't give up yet. It works over USB. I suggest you get the
software
and try it. I have the URLs somwhere if you need them. You need
to
connect to the IP address your PC uses for USB. I could not
find this
from the PC or the PPC directly but using vxIPConfig on the PPC
it
gave the PPC IP address as 192.168.55.100 and the default
gateway as
192.168.55.100. I called 192.168.55.100 with the wifi switched
off on
both the PC and PPC and it worked. The IP address may well be
the
same for you or perhaps not. . .

It is quite slow on the PPC when the PC screen is changing and
this
locks up the scroll bars until it catches up. It works quicker
if you
can reduce the size of the map on the PC to match the PPC
screen. It
also seem quicker with vector charts, probably because they
have less
detail to update.

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:25:06 +0100, "Flemming Torp"
fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote:

How nice to get an advice that is constructive, empathic and well
written. You are suggesting a solution that is 'within reach' .
Do I understand you correctly when you are talking about USB,
that I can actually use the cable between the cradle in which the
PPC is placed when running MS ActivSync to the PC?

Yes I just tried it exactly that way for the first time just before
posting. I use an IPAQ 4150 which has wifi and bluetooth. I use a
bluetooth GPS with it in the car and boat. I use VNC to control
equipment remotely, from bed even!


Some of my sons will be 'home' during the Easter Holidays - and I
do hope they will be able to help me out here. Thank you for
your: "don't give up" and your specific hint!

As to the practical experience: How is it working on the boat?

I used the PPC for the first and only time last year on a trip to
Ireland. I don't need it round here. At that time I cut up an old
Imray chart into A4 pieces scanned them into Oziexplorer and laminated
the paper afterwards. The PPC does not give a very good look ahead,
say 2 or 5 miles on a detailed chart but the laminated paper can stay
in the cockpit too for a wider view. We ran down from Howth to Arklow
in a northerly F7 inside the banks and I was very glad to stay out in
the open with the PPC in a sleeve just ticking off the bouys as we
passed.

Is
the screen large enough - bright enough - do you get useful help
from this little screen or is it more or less useless.

It is transreflective so the sun helps if you get the angle right. It
is a bit too bright on the lowest setting in the dark.

In my
opinion - even the 7" chartplotters are somewhat difficult to use
... zoom in/zoom out ... I'm not convinced this is the way to go
(the 'PPC-way'), but I'm interested in learning from other
sailors experience - what's what we call a search/learning
proces. To be honest I'm still pretty happy with the paper charts
and a compass, and GPS ...

The low power consumption is a big plus compared to a PC. I would not
buy a chart plotter which ties you to charts that get discontinued.
Next trip I am going to use the PPC with the Maptech charts I
bought.and the Memory Map PPC product. The latest BSB charts work
with Oziexplorer but not (as yet, as far as I know) with the PPC
version. In a few weeks I am going to take my tablet PC TC1100
(which is great for a boat except that you cannot see the screen in
the sun) to S Ireland and try out VNC. I will find out the bugs then!
The 'digital pen' will work through 5mm or more of glass so the PC
could be worked through a window or watertight box provided that it is
nightime! -No wires except for charging or prologed use. There is a
Toughbook wireless monitor but it is low-ish resolution and costs
more than the tablet but at least it is transreflective, I believe.



But with four boys pushing for evolution and eager to play with
new tecnologies, I try - somewhat reluctantly - to move into the
new 'world' of IT and electronics ... with yours and other
fellows help - thank you.


Cheers! I found out about VNC for PPC here so I am returning the
favour.

That was a very convincing report "Goofball" - thank you!

We all have different background, priorities, and requirements
regarding our hobby, so many peoble make different decisions, and
I find it most interesting to understand the background for the
many different solutions. The way you are using your PPC is
exactly the way I have been thinking about - a kind of 'just in
case' help ... easy to get rid of - and easy to make a check ...

And you are talking 2-5 miles (NM I guess?) ... When I make 8
knots, thats about a kind og maximum average, which will give me
a respit of - let's say - not very much less than a quarter of an
hour ... that sounds reasonable ...

What I understand, Maptech has a program dedicated to the PPC. I
had a look at their website:

quote
Maptech Mobile - Featuring Outdoor Navigator

Mobility is a sign of the times. More and more boaters demand
detailed charts for handheld devices like Pocket PCs, Palms and
now Smartphones. With access to more than 60,000 topographic maps
and nautical charts, Outdoor Navigator is not only fun to use, it's
a safer way to explore the outdoors.

Boating




a.. Navigate with confidence and enjoy the experience,
even when traveling at top speeds.
b.. Only Maptech lets you download the most detailed and
up-to-date boating charts as often as you want.
c.. Explore new and unfamiliar spots without the fear of
running aground.
d.. Avoid charted hazards while staying steadily
on-course.
e.. Never be lost in darkness or fog.
f.. Outdoor Navigator gives you the advantages of bigger,
more expensive navigation systems in a size that fits your boat
and your budget.
g.. Use it on your dinghy or as a backup on a large boat.
h.. Phone in your exact coordinates if you meet someone
in distress.
i.. All for under $20!



unquote

see f.ex.
http://www.maptech.com/water/index.c...TOKEN=32005449
(I hope the link is not too long ...

All for under $20 ... that's a risk one could accept ...

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me (and other in the
group) and good luck with your future project - sounds very
interesting - may be you will be kind enough to come back to the
group and share your 'real life experiences' with your new set
up.

--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
....


"Goofball_star_dot_etal" skrev i en
meddelelse ...
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:25:06 +0100, "Flemming Torp"
fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote:

How nice to get an advice that is constructive, empathic and
well
written. You are suggesting a solution that is 'within reach' .
Do I understand you correctly when you are talking about USB,
that I can actually use the cable between the cradle in which
the
PPC is placed when running MS ActivSync to the PC?

Yes I just tried it exactly that way for the first time just
before
posting. I use an IPAQ 4150 which has wifi and bluetooth. I use
a
bluetooth GPS with it in the car and boat. I use VNC to control
equipment remotely, from bed even!


Some of my sons will be 'home' during the Easter Holidays - and
I
do hope they will be able to help me out here. Thank you for
your: "don't give up" and your specific hint!

As to the practical experience: How is it working on the boat?

I used the PPC for the first and only time last year on a trip
to
Ireland. I don't need it round here. At that time I cut up an
old
Imray chart into A4 pieces scanned them into Oziexplorer and
laminated
the paper afterwards. The PPC does not give a very good look
ahead,
say 2 or 5 miles on a detailed chart but the laminated paper
can stay
in the cockpit too for a wider view. We ran down from Howth to
Arklow
in a northerly F7 inside the banks and I was very glad to stay
out in
the open with the PPC in a sleeve just ticking off the bouys as
we
passed.

Is
the screen large enough - bright enough - do you get useful
help
from this little screen or is it more or less useless.

It is transreflective so the sun helps if you get the angle
right. It
is a bit too bright on the lowest setting in the dark.

In my
opinion - even the 7" chartplotters are somewhat difficult to
use
... zoom in/zoom out ... I'm not convinced this is the way to
go
(the 'PPC-way'), but I'm interested in learning from other
sailors experience - what's what we call a search/learning
proces. To be honest I'm still pretty happy with the paper
charts
and a compass, and GPS ...

The low power consumption is a big plus compared to a PC. I
would not
buy a chart plotter which ties you to charts that get
discontinued.
Next trip I am going to use the PPC with the Maptech charts I
bought.and the Memory Map PPC product. The latest BSB charts
work
with Oziexplorer but not (as yet, as far as I know) with the
PPC
version. In a few weeks I am going to take my tablet PC
TC1100
(which is great for a boat except that you cannot see the
screen in
the sun) to S Ireland and try out VNC. I will find out the bugs
then!
The 'digital pen' will work through 5mm or more of glass so the
PC
could be worked through a window or watertight box provided
that it is
nightime! -No wires except for charging or prologed use. There
is a
Toughbook wireless monitor but it is low-ish resolution and
costs
more than the tablet but at least it is transreflective, I
believe.



But with four boys pushing for evolution and eager to play with
new tecnologies, I try - somewhat reluctantly - to move into
the
new 'world' of IT and electronics ... with yours and other
fellows help - thank you.


Cheers! I found out about VNC for PPC here so I am returning
the
favour.

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Forgot to send you another Link to Maptech Pocket Navigator, that
might interest you:

http://www.maptech.com/products/pock...ator/index.cfm

--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
....

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" skrev i en
meddelelse ...
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:25:06 +0100, "Flemming Torp"
fletop(kanelbolle)2rp.d(anmar)k wrote:

How nice to get an advice that is constructive, empathic and
well
written. You are suggesting a solution that is 'within reach' .
Do I understand you correctly when you are talking about USB,
that I can actually use the cable between the cradle in which
the
PPC is placed when running MS ActivSync to the PC?

Yes I just tried it exactly that way for the first time just
before
posting. I use an IPAQ 4150 which has wifi and bluetooth. I use
a
bluetooth GPS with it in the car and boat. I use VNC to control
equipment remotely, from bed even!


Some of my sons will be 'home' during the Easter Holidays - and
I
do hope they will be able to help me out here. Thank you for
your: "don't give up" and your specific hint!

As to the practical experience: How is it working on the boat?

I used the PPC for the first and only time last year on a trip
to
Ireland. I don't need it round here. At that time I cut up an
old
Imray chart into A4 pieces scanned them into Oziexplorer and
laminated
the paper afterwards. The PPC does not give a very good look
ahead,
say 2 or 5 miles on a detailed chart but the laminated paper
can stay
in the cockpit too for a wider view. We ran down from Howth to
Arklow
in a northerly F7 inside the banks and I was very glad to stay
out in
the open with the PPC in a sleeve just ticking off the bouys as
we
passed.

Is
the screen large enough - bright enough - do you get useful
help
from this little screen or is it more or less useless.

It is transreflective so the sun helps if you get the angle
right. It
is a bit too bright on the lowest setting in the dark.

In my
opinion - even the 7" chartplotters are somewhat difficult to
use
... zoom in/zoom out ... I'm not convinced this is the way to
go
(the 'PPC-way'), but I'm interested in learning from other
sailors experience - what's what we call a search/learning
proces. To be honest I'm still pretty happy with the paper
charts
and a compass, and GPS ...

The low power consumption is a big plus compared to a PC. I
would not
buy a chart plotter which ties you to charts that get
discontinued.
Next trip I am going to use the PPC with the Maptech charts I
bought.and the Memory Map PPC product. The latest BSB charts
work
with Oziexplorer but not (as yet, as far as I know) with the
PPC
version. In a few weeks I am going to take my tablet PC
TC1100
(which is great for a boat except that you cannot see the
screen in
the sun) to S Ireland and try out VNC. I will find out the bugs
then!
The 'digital pen' will work through 5mm or more of glass so the
PC
could be worked through a window or watertight box provided
that it is
nightime! -No wires except for charging or prologed use. There
is a
Toughbook wireless monitor but it is low-ish resolution and
costs
more than the tablet but at least it is transreflective, I
believe.



But with four boys pushing for evolution and eager to play with
new tecnologies, I try - somewhat reluctantly - to move into
the
new 'world' of IT and electronics ... with yours and other
fellows help - thank you.


Cheers! I found out about VNC for PPC here so I am returning
the
favour.

http://www.allware.com.mx/ VNCVewer for POCKETPC (IPAQ) (freeware)
http://www.realvnc.com VNC server. 4.1 (free) Set to Legacy VNC3
to use with PPC.

I had trouble getting an icon for the PPC and had to run the program
initially by clicking on the file from File Explorer. I later figured
out a hack which was, I think, based upon inverting
http://pocketpccentral.net/help/removeicons.htm

Very nice of you to spend so much time on me - thank you - very
useful.

--
Flemming Torp
'Even the worst day sailing is better than the best day working'
....

"Goofball_star_dot_etal" skrev i en
meddelelse ...
http://www.allware.com.mx/ VNCVewer for POCKETPC (IPAQ)
(freeware)
http://www.realvnc.com VNC server. 4.1 (free) Set to
Legacy VNC3
to use with PPC.

I had trouble getting an icon for the PPC and had to run the
program
initially by clicking on the file from File Explorer. I later
figured
out a hack which was, I think, based upon inverting
http://pocketpccentral.net/help/removeicons.htm