On 11 Mar 2005 05:35:59 -0800, wrote:

I would suggest stepping up enough to get DSC.

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Is there a test process for VHF/DSC? My latest boat came with two DSC
capable ICOMs but I have no idea if the feature is even hooked up, let
alone working. Also, I have no idea what vessel ID is programmed, if
any.

"Wayne.B" wrote

On 11 Mar 2005 05:35:59 -0800, wrote:

I would suggest stepping up enough to get DSC.

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Is there a test process for VHF/DSC? My latest boat came with two DSC
capable ICOMs but I have no idea if the feature is even hooked up, let
alone working. Also, I have no idea what vessel ID is programmed, if
any.


There is no license or test required to be a voluntarily-equipped DSC-GMDSS
vessel, the category which most recreational boaters fall into. But you must
register an MMSI (Maritime Mobile Service Identifier) number to YOUR vessel.
The number (if any) that was in the used radio is not valid any longer.

Also, a U.S. vessel that plans to dock (or communicate) at a non-US port of
call, must have a restricted radiotelephone operators license. This good for
life (of the vessel you own and operate) and also does not involve any exam.
The license covers vhf, hf, gmdss and radars with no description of
equipments required. It will include applying for an MMSI to be used
internationally.

Changing the MMSI on a radio can be done by the owner, providing you have
the owner's operation manual which provides these instructions. Many radio
manufacturers provide manuals online. BOAT-US has an 800 # for you to call
where an experienced associate can walk you through the procedures involved.
That number is: 1-800-566-1536 (working hours). Or you can simply walk-in to
any BOAT-US store with your radio(s) and do the same.

Also be advised that BOAT-US provided registration of MMSI (free to all who
apply) does NOT register your MMSI for international voyages. Americans must
apply to the FCC for an MMSI to be used in conjunction with a restricted
operators license and international travel.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia

In article 5UpYd.61628$7z6.35203@lakeread04,
"Jack Painter" wrote:

Also, a U.S. vessel that plans to dock (or communicate) at a non-US port of
call, must have a restricted radiotelephone operators license. This good for
life (of the vessel you own and operate) and also does not involve any exam.
The license covers vhf, hf, gmdss and radars with no description of
equipments required. It will include applying for an MMSI to be used
internationally.

Again, jackie is extending information that he doesn't understand.......

HEY JACK, How about you "GET A CLUE before you confuse folks with your
uninformed information.

First: A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON
not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be
an operator.

Second: A US Flagged vessel, if it is to operate outside US Territorial
Waters, AND communicate with non-US Coast Stations, must have
a valid Ship Radio Station License issued by the FCC.

Third: If, and only if, the vessel has fitted, only VHF Radios and,
or, a Marine S or Xband Radar, and does not communicated with
non-US Coast Stations, it MAY be covered by the Blanket License
issued by the FCC, which covers all such vessels in perpituity,
and does not require any action on the owners, or operators
parts as far as licensing is concerened.

Fourth: If, and only if, the vessel is operating under the Blanket
License, an Operator Permit is NOT Required to operate the
fitted equipment.

Fifth: If, and only if, the vessel is operating under the Blanket
License, the owner/operator MAY request a MMSI from the
dually appointed Voluntary MMSI Registrant, and that MMSI
will be recorded against the Documentation Number (either
US or State) of the Vessel.

Sixth: When a vessel is issued a Ship Radio Station License the
FCC will issue a MMSI along with the Callsign, which is
recorded against the Documentation Number (either
US or State) of the Vessel.


Now that we got that straight....... Carry on.......


Bruce in alaska who wishes that USCG would refrain from distributing
uninformed information.......
--
add a 2 before @

"Bruce in Alaska" slid off his stool and shouted:

"Jack Painter" wrote:

Also, a U.S. vessel that plans to dock (or communicate) at a non-US port
of
call, must have a restricted radiotelephone operators license. This good
for
life (of the vessel you own and operate) and also does not involve any
exam.
The license covers vhf, hf, gmdss and radars with no description of
equipments required. It will include applying for an MMSI to be used
internationally.

Again, jackie is extending information that he doesn't understand.......

HEY JACK, How about you "GET A CLUE before you confuse folks with your
uninformed information.

First: A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON
not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be
an operator.

I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A
VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another
vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow
up or go back to your barstool.



Second: A US Flagged vessel, if it is to operate outside US Territorial
Waters, AND communicate with non-US Coast Stations, must have
a valid Ship Radio Station License issued by the FCC.


Here you go mixing up licenses again, forgetting the title and topic of this
newsgroup is RECREATIONAL boating. Only a Restricted Operators permit is
required for a recreational boater who wants to visit a foreign port. His
boat can remain "covered by the rule" which means no station license for
VHF-only, and the ROP covers his carriage of the radio, whether he uses it
OR NOT, in a foreign port.




Third: If, and only if, the vessel has fitted, only VHF Radios and,
or, a Marine S or Xband Radar, and does not communicated with
non-US Coast Stations, it MAY be covered by the Blanket License
issued by the FCC, which covers all such vessels in perpituity,
and does not require any action on the owners, or operators
parts as far as licensing is concerened.

That's called being "covered by the rule" and does not permit a vessel to
dock in a foreign port, which is why it's another of your useless comments
that serves only the interests of your strange ego.


Fourth:
/snipped unadulterated blabber
..
Fifth:
/snipped unadulterated blabber

Sixth:
/snipped unadulterated blabber


Now that we got that straight....... Carry on.......


Bruce in alaska who wishes that USCG would refrain from distributing
uninformed information.......

"Straight" is a concept difficult to apply to your posts.

The information I posted is current, accurate, and applies to the questions
posted by Wayne B. The rules have changed since the time you claimed to
have once been a field-rep for the FCC. Try to remember the "recreational"
concept of the newsgroup, please.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:14:04 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON
not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be
an operator.

I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A
VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another
vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow
up or go back to your barstool.
//
Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia


I don't think that's right Jack.
An operators license follows the operator.

Brian W

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:31:06 GMT, Brian Whatcott wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:14:04 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON
not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be
an operator.

I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A
VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another
vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow
up or go back to your barstool.
//
Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia


I don't think that's right Jack.
An operators license follows the operator.

Brian W

That's what I thought too...unless the rules have changed
since I got mine.
Norm B

"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:14:04 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON
not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be
an operator.

I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner
of A
VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to
another
vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please
grow
up or go back to your barstool.
//
Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia


I don't think that's right Jack.
An operators license follows the operator.

Brian W

You're Right. On the FCC website;

If you have a RESTRICTED RADIOTELEPHONE OPERATOR PERMIT, you should retain
it for future use since it is authorized for your lifetime.

It's the station license, applies to equipment on specific boat.

It is only when applying for that license, as I explained earlier before
Bruce's tirade, can a boater obtain an FCC-issued MMSI, which registers his
MMSI internationally. BOAT-US continues to fulfill the MMSI requirements of
all domestic-only voyagers. Their volunteer-provided database, while useable
by the USCG, is unfortunately not compatible with either the FCC's or ITU's.
So much for no good deed going unpunished.

Jack

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:48:50 -0800, engsol
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:31:06 GMT, Brian Whatcott wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:14:04 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON
not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be
an operator.

I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A
VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another
vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow
up or go back to your barstool.
//
Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia


I don't think that's right Jack.
An operators license follows the operator.

Brian W

That's what I thought too...unless the rules have changed
since I got mine.
Norm B

Bruce is 100% correct on all he posted. Jack has a habit of becoming
an expert every time he reads a blurb of something whether he
understands it or not.

A restricted operators license has nothing to do with a vessel at all.
It only has to do with an individual. The holder of that restricted
license can operate a radio on any vessel that qualifies. It is a
lifetime permit for the individual.

The ship license is only good for the ship and the owner it was issued
to. It is not a lifetime license and needs to be renewed every 10
years, unless that has recently changed.
If the vessel is sold to a new owner the ship license becomes invalid.
It does not stay with the vessel or the old owner.
The new owner must obtain a new ship license if he is to operate the
radios with a need.

Regards
Gary

"Gary Schafer" wrote
Bruce is 100% correct on all he posted. Jack has a habit of becoming
an expert every time he reads a blurb of something whether he
understands it or not.

A restricted operators license has nothing to do with a vessel at all.
It only has to do with an individual. The holder of that restricted
license can operate a radio on any vessel that qualifies. It is a
lifetime permit for the individual.

The ship license is only good for the ship and the owner it was issued
to. It is not a lifetime license and needs to be renewed every 10
years, unless that has recently changed.
If the vessel is sold to a new owner the ship license becomes invalid.
It does not stay with the vessel or the old owner.
The new owner must obtain a new ship license if he is to operate the
radios with a need.

Regards
Gary

Gary, perhaps you want to weigh-in on the new Restricted Operators Permit
application. It
requires a STATED vessel or aircraft name and ID. If that changes, an
amended license (but with no additional fee) must be filed, resulting in a
new license according to the instructions on the application.

http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form605/605main.pdf

Wrt Bruce's comments about MMSI, it is incorrect to assume that the "duly
appointed voluntary registrant" will record the vessel against US or (state)
records. I explained what a predicament BOAT-US got themselves into when
they took the lead in volunteering to record MMSI data for US boaters. FCC,
and possibly ITU, although it wasn't their problem, never provided specific
database requirements for BOAT-US recordkeeping. About a half million
registrations later, it became apparent that FCC and ITU would not recognize
BOAT-US issued MMSI's.

That's not an issue for US-only boaters who want their VHF DSC-capable
radios to have an MMSI registered to them. The FCC was not ready and had no
provision for issuing voluntarily-equipped boats (exempt and "licensed under
the rule" an MMSI, so BOAT-US took on a massive voluntary undertaking to
make it possible. Now, the old databases are not compatible, and boaters
can either reapply or accept that their old MMSI's cannot be used
internationally.

This might not have been a big issue in Alaska, but it sure was for boaters
all over Northwestern US border, the Great Lakes, and Florida.

Regards,
Jack

Bruce in Alaska wrote in news:bruceg-
:

First: A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON
not a vessel.

That depends on how long he has been drinking beer at the yacht club bar.
I've seen many PERSONS who've become vessels like that...(c;....even me!