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"Vito" wrote in message ... Meindert Sprang wrote: The small oscillation you get has nothing to do with mass of electrons and their inertia. It is caused by the fact that every coil has a bit of parasitic capacitance, forming a resonant loop with the inductance of the coil, ... Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant circuits wouldn't resonate. Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot? Sometimes hard to tell on the net. del cecchi |
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Del Cecchi wrote:
"Vito" wrote Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant circuits wouldn't resonate. Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Do you doubt that electrons have mass and therefore inertia? If they did not, then current would stop at once when the coil unsaturated. But it does not. The little buggers keep going til they've charged the capacitor (parasitic in this case but still real). Then (Bugle sounds retreat) they head the other way re energizing the coil ..... etc. .... creating a damped AC wave. Sometimes hard to tell on the net. Yes indeed. |
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"Vito" wrote in message
... Del Cecchi wrote: "Vito" wrote Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant circuits wouldn't resonate. Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Do you doubt that electrons have mass and therefore inertia? If they did not, then current would stop at once when the coil unsaturated. But it does not. Sorry to say Vito, but that is completely nonsense. The reason current keeps folwing for a while is magnetism. Current flowing through a wire creates a magnetic field around the wire. Also, a changing magnetic field induces current in a wire. What happens when you open the contact is this: the current stops flowing, the existing static field collapses and is therefore changing. And the field change induces a current in the wire in the opposite direction. In a straight wire this effect is hardly noticable but coiled up, the field around the wire concentrates and the effect gets bigger. And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a book about basic electric laws. Meindert |
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Meindert Sprang wrote:
And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a book about basic electric laws. But Meindert, I weld from time to time and as you probably know welding requires large current flows. This means huge numbers of electrons are racing along the wire to the welding rod. I have noticed that when I pull the rod away from the work it always has a big blob on the end. Are you saying this isn't because all those electrons kept rushing into the hot metal and caused it to bulge out when they had no place to go? Rick |
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"Vito" wrote in message ... Del Cecchi wrote: "Vito" wrote Yes but Meindert old bean, if electrons didn't have inertia resonant circuits wouldn't resonate. Is this a feeble attempt at humor, or are you an idiot? Neither one. Do you doubt that electrons have mass and therefore inertia? If they did not, then current would stop at once when the coil unsaturated. But it does not. The little buggers keep going til they've charged the capacitor (parasitic in this case but still real). Then (Bugle sounds retreat) they head the other way re energizing the coil .... etc. .... creating a damped AC wave. Sometimes hard to tell on the net. Yes indeed. Next you will be telling me that you think the electrons are shooting through the wire so fast that they just keep going and end up in a pile on the other end, until they shoot back the other way. Snort, giggle, choke. Yes the electrons have mass. It has nothing to do with how they behave in electric circuits. |
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"Rick" wrote in message
news Meindert Sprang wrote: And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a book about basic electric laws. But Meindert, I weld from time to time and as you probably know welding requires large current flows. This means huge numbers of electrons are racing along the wire to the welding rod. I have noticed that when I pull the rod away from the work it always has a big blob on the end. Are you saying this isn't because all those electrons kept rushing into the hot metal and caused it to bulge out when they had no place to go? :-)) By the way, take a good look at your car's headlights: if you take a right turn, the right headlight gets a little dim because all electrons are forced to the left side of the wiring in the car. You know, inertia, centrifugal forces and all.... Meindert |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:45:41 +0100, "Meindert Sprang"
tempted fate with: By the way, take a good look at your car's headlights: if you take a right turn, the right headlight gets a little dim because all electrons are forced to the left side of the wiring in the car. You know, inertia, centrifugal forces and all.... Meindert I've worried about my VHF antenna. It's way up at the top of my mast. Are the electrons slowing down on the way up? And when they come falling back down the coax like little bombs and plow into my radio, can they damage it? Is there a radiation hazard? __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
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Simply install a strong magnet at the top of your mast. It will pull the
tired electrons up and it will slow the plummet of the downward electrons. You should also be worried about your computer's hard drive. Data is stored in binary format, 1 and 0. The zero has slightly greater mass and therefore, if you haven't balanced your hard drive lately you could be wearing out your bearings prematurely. You can download software from the web for this. "Glen Wiley Wilson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:45:41 +0100, "Meindert Sprang" tempted fate with: By the way, take a good look at your car's headlights: if you take a right turn, the right headlight gets a little dim because all electrons are forced to the left side of the wiring in the car. You know, inertia, centrifugal forces and all.... Meindert I've worried about my VHF antenna. It's way up at the top of my mast. Are the electrons slowing down on the way up? And when they come falling back down the coax like little bombs and plow into my radio, can they damage it? Is there a radiation hazard? __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
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When you were welding, were you using DC, DC Reverse or AC?
Rick wrote: Meindert Sprang wrote: And if you still believe in electron inertia, I advise you to go and read a book about basic electric laws. But Meindert, I weld from time to time and as you probably know welding requires large current flows. This means huge numbers of electrons are racing along the wire to the welding rod. I have noticed that when I pull the rod away from the work it always has a big blob on the end. Are you saying this isn't because all those electrons kept rushing into the hot metal and caused it to bulge out when they had no place to go? Rick -- Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448 B-2/75 1977-1979 Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG |
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Dan Best wrote:
When you were welding, were you using DC, DC Reverse or AC? The rod bulges with DCEN (straight polarity) I get equal bead and bulge when using AC Rick |
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