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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times.


Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying
is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early
warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.

Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or
equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is
switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of
the rule.

No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used
for the above when underway.

Wilbur Hubbard



I disagree. It depends on circumstances, and you have the right to make a
choice.
If you are in a yacht going 4-6 knots with several miles visibility it is
pointless to keep on long range scanning.
If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a
different ball game.
But Jon is quite correct in his post.in that if you get it wrong it is not
going to look too good in court

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times.


Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying
is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early
warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.

Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or
equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is
switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of
the rule.

No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be
used for the above when underway.

Wilbur Hubbard



I disagree. It depends on circumstances, and you have the right to make a
choice.
If you are in a yacht going 4-6 knots with several miles visibility it is
pointless to keep on long range scanning.


I disagree! If you are in a yacht going at 4-6 knots it has little bearing
on a ship going at 25 knots on a collision course. At those relative speeds
you have less than twenty minutes to sight it, plot it's course and take
evasive action. You can look all around the horizon, go below to prepare
some hot coffee and right about the time it's perking away you'll be run
down.

If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a
different ball game.

But, YOU can see a VLCC on radar much easier than he can see you. In a small
yacht the radar is more defensive in nature. If you have it you need to be
using it.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Bruce in alaska" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bruce in alaska wrote:

In article ,
"Roger Long" wrote:

Bruce in alaska wrote:

I've run Diesel from 55USG Drums filled during WWII, with no problem,
whatsoever. This stuff is over 50 years old, and makes power in my
Gensets, just spiffy.....

Interesting. Were those drums sealed all these years? I wonder if
WWII
diesel (different stuff than we have today) sealed into drums with the
intention that it would be stored for a long time would give the same
results as modern diesel that's been sitting in 3/4 to 1/2 full drums
in
the
sun for a few weeks.

My original comment about drums was really just shorthand for the
reports
I've received about poor fuel quality up in Newfoundland where the
fishing
restrictions have slowed sales to the point that stuff which is a long
way
down the supply chain anyway gets pretty funky. There were a few
problems
here in Maine this summer simply because the long hoses at some marinas
would grow stuff when no one came along for days to buy due to the high
prices earlier in the summer.

Sealed Drums, filled in 1944 by the US Navy. Straight #2 Diesel, no
addatives or other crap. My Tank Farm has 250K USG of Diesel #2, and 15K
USG of Diesel #1 in it, and after a winter, we get less than 40 USG of
water out of ALL 20 Tanks. Never had to treat ANY of the Diesel with
Biocide, since we switched to receiving our fuel in 6000 USG
Over-the-Road Tanks on a Freight Barge, rather than from the Fuel Barge
with Sea Water Ballasting, and that was 20 years ago. I still keep a few
of those Navy Surplus Drums of fuel around for emergencies, as it is
KNOWN GOOD Fuel. RaCor filters are a wondrous thing, I use them
exclusively, both for the Winter and Summer Powerhouses, as well as on
the lines to the Fuel Dock. Never had a problem with ANY of the Diesel
Fuel System. Now the Gasoline Stuff is a TOTALLY Different deal......

In article
,
Capt John wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:46 pm, You wrote:
In article , Martin Baxter
wrote:

Capt John wrote: Using more restrictive filters can
cause problems with your supply pump, or, even worse, cause the
engine
to run lean. That will cause the engine to run hot and, over the
long
run, cause all kinds of other problems.

Huh? Diesels do not run "lean". Hint, think about you control
power/speed in a diesel.

Cheers
Martin

Just one of a few of Capt. John's misconceptions......

You need to study up a little, try asking your engine manufacturer
about those filters. The marine specialist at HO Penn, our local Cat
dealer on Long Island, was adamant about this. Said regardless of the
engine manufacturer, they specify the 30 micron filters for a reason.
Your probably more likely to get away with it with a little sail boat
engine than a larger high output engine. For the price of a rebuild,
or replacement, I'll take the manufacturers advice over your's and day
of the week.

Your ity bity KittyCAT Diesels don't even come close to the BIG YELLOW
CAT's in my Summer PowerHouse. (2.8 MegaWatts worth) Our CAT Service
Folks spec'd and installed MULTIPLE Racor 2020 10 Micron Primary Fuel
Filters on the 4" fuel line that feeds the PowerHouse from the Tank Farm.
The PowerHouse was Designed by Ed Wahl, one of CAT's most repected Power
Generation Engineer dudes, who taught a whole Generation of CAT Field
Service Folks how to do their JOBs, being the CAT Power Generation
Engineering Instructor, in his later life.

If your running your filters until the engine is getting "Starved for
Fuel", and "running lean", then your and absolute Moroooooon, (Bugs Bunny
Definition) as that would mean that there isn't enough fuel to fully
fill the Injectors each time they fire, AND that also means that there
would be NO fuel coming back thru the Fuel Return Line, AND consequently
No Cooling of the Injector Tips, which is the Primary Reason for the
Fuel Return Line, in the FIRST PLACE. Very Good way to BURN OUT the
Injector Tips on your CATs, Sonny.... Just where did you learn your
Diesel Engineering.... Dufus's R Us???


You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed yourself, dude!

What you say makes no sense. When you rev up a diesel it revs up because
more fuel gets injected. Except at designed RPM all diesels burn learn. Only
at designed RPM is the mixture optimal. Unless it's turbo or supercharged
what determines the volume of air pushed into the cylinder by atmospheric
pressure is the displacement of the piston therein. When you throttle down
it loses rpms because you decrease the fuel supply - air supply remains a
constant. You can't run it lean because if there is limited fuel then there
is limited rpms. It self-adjusts.

Get a clue, dude.

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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I disagree. It depends on circumstances, and you have the right to make a
choice.
If you are in a yacht going 4-6 knots with several miles visibility it is
pointless to keep on long range scanning.
If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a
different ball game.
But Jon is quite correct in his post.in that if you get it wrong it is not
going to look too good in court

Correct. You'd be better served, at least with commercial traffic which is
typically the situation, to use AIS.

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying
is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early
warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.

Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or
equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is
switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of
the rule.

No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used
for the above when underway.

Wilbur Hubbard



My position is that if the radar is turned off, it's not "operational." :-D

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Hey I had nothing to do with it, Cap!

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying
is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early
warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.

Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or
equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is
switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of
the rule.

No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be
used for the above when underway.

Wilbur Hubbard



My position is that if the radar is turned off, it's not "operational."
:-D

Weird position, Karin!

If I were to ask you if you had an operational hair dryer would you say no
unless it was plugged in, switched on and blowing hot air?

If I asked you if your dish washer was operational would you have to schlep
your rear end into the kitchen to see if it was on and washing dishes?

If I were to enquire if you had an operational automobile would you say no
unless your were sitting inside with the motor running and the transmission
in gear and the emergency brake disengaged?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying
is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and
operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early
warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic
observation of detected objects.

Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or
equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is
switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation
of the rule.

No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be
used for the above when underway.

Wilbur Hubbard



My position is that if the radar is turned off, it's not "operational."
:-D

Weird position, Karin!

If I were to ask you if you had an operational hair dryer would you say no
unless it was plugged in, switched on and blowing hot air?

If I asked you if your dish washer was operational would you have to
schlep your rear end into the kitchen to see if it was on and washing
dishes?

If I were to enquire if you had an operational automobile would you say no
unless your were sitting inside with the motor running and the
transmission in gear and the emergency brake disengaged?

Wilbur Hubbard



Absolutely. ;-)

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:41:06 -0500, wrote:

Size has little to do with it, and How often do you go anywhere that
you are offshore for more than a week?

Moored or anchored? Sometimes for more than a month. We are totally
independant of marinas except for fuel and water and the boat has lots
of that, far more than most sail boats.

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"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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Hey I had nothing to do with it, Cap!


LOL

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