Larry,

Article I sec.8 gives Congress the power to levy taxes. Taxes on income
have been levied several times in US history. The 16th Amendment to the
Constitution passed in 1913 reaffirms Congress's right to collect income
taxes. The US Tariff Act of 1913 then levied an income tax. The actual
minutia is the IRS codes.

Dave M.

"David L. Martel" wrote in
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Article I sec.8 gives Congress the power to levy taxes. Taxes on
income
have been levied several times in US history. The 16th Amendment to
the Constitution passed in 1913 reaffirms Congress's right to collect
income taxes. The US Tariff Act of 1913 then levied an income tax. The
actual minutia is the IRS codes.

Dave M.



The 16th Amendment was never ratified, rendering it moot. Amendments
must be ratified, according to the constitution, protecting states
rights to NOT become slaves of the central government.

The Supreme Court also pointed out that the 16th Amendment did NOT grant
the government any NEW taxes, such as the Income Tax on INDIVIDUAL
Americans.

It IS legal to tax income from GAINS of corporations. That's not in
question. What IS and has been since 1913 in question is there is no
law that gives the government the power to make UNAPPORTIONED taxes on
PERSONAL income....and never has been.

The IRS code is NOT US law. The IRS code is REGULATION by BUREAUCRATS
who were told they had this power to unapportioned taxes on individuals.
Because of a lack of enabling legislation, IRS code is null and void.
Bureaucrats cannot and SHOULD NOT have any power to enable anything
outside US CODE. If they can...we're DOOMED!

If any of you have not seen Aaron Russo's great movie about income tax,
the IRS and other issues, it's MOST enlightening. NOONE would discuss
with him, especially on camera, anything about the enabling law of the
IRS and its taxes.....good evidence, itself, that there is no law....or
they could simply hand it to him in a little booklet IRS is SO good at
producing by the ton!

The movie has long lists of case law about the 16th Amendment to refresh
America's shortness of memory. The voice vote during Christmas recess
that enabled the Federal Reserve Private Bank Corporation to rob the
nation of its money supply and hand control over to the Jekyll Island
Bank Billionaires never had a quorum vote, either. It was a great case
of trickery by the bankers and their cronies in Congress.

Larry wrote:
"David L. Martel" wrote in
:

Article I sec.8 gives Congress the power to levy taxes. Taxes on
income
have been levied several times in US history. The 16th Amendment to
the Constitution passed in 1913 reaffirms Congress's right to collect
income taxes. The US Tariff Act of 1913 then levied an income tax. The
actual minutia is the IRS codes.

Dave M.



The 16th Amendment was never ratified, rendering it moot. Amendments
must be ratified, according to the constitution, protecting states
rights to NOT become slaves of the central government.

Um. The 16th Amendment WAS ratified. In 1913. Which you mention below.


The Supreme Court also pointed out that the 16th Amendment did NOT grant
the government any NEW taxes, such as the Income Tax on INDIVIDUAL
Americans.

It IS legal to tax income from GAINS of corporations. That's not in
question. What IS and has been since 1913 in question is there is no
law that gives the government the power to make UNAPPORTIONED taxes on
PERSONAL income....and never has been.

The IRS code is NOT US law.

Err, yes. Yes it is. It is part of the United States Code.

The IRS code is REGULATION by BUREAUCRATS
who were told they had this power to unapportioned taxes on individuals.
Because of a lack of enabling legislation, IRS code is null and void.
Bureaucrats cannot and SHOULD NOT have any power to enable anything
outside US CODE. If they can...we're DOOMED!

......Outside US Code? What the ****?


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"Larry" wrote in message
...
"David L. Martel" wrote in
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Article I sec.8 gives Congress the power to levy taxes. Taxes on
income
have been levied several times in US history. The 16th Amendment to
the Constitution passed in 1913 reaffirms Congress's right to collect
income taxes. The US Tariff Act of 1913 then levied an income tax. The
actual minutia is the IRS codes.

Dave M.



The 16th Amendment was never ratified, rendering it moot. Amendments
must be ratified, according to the constitution....


For a fairly intelligent guy, you can sure go off the deep end sometimes.
Your statement is completely wrong.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...ndmentxvi.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...Constitut ion
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from
whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and
without regard to any census or enumeration. "


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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:01:41 +0000 Larry carved the
following into the hard stone of alt.atheism

Oh, dear.. we have a tax protestor loose! I'll be taking cites from
the best FAQ on the subject, http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

The 16th Amendment was never ratified, rendering it moot. Amendments
must be ratified, according to the constitution, protecting states
rights to NOT become slaves of the central government.

Wrong.

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#ratification

The Supreme Court also pointed out that the 16th Amendment did NOT grant
the government any NEW taxes, such as the Income Tax on INDIVIDUAL
Americans.

Wrong.

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#nonewpower

It IS legal to tax income from GAINS of corporations. That's not in
question. What IS and has been since 1913 in question is there is no
law that gives the government the power to make UNAPPORTIONED taxes on
PERSONAL income....and never has been.

Wrong.

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#wages

The IRS code is NOT US law. The IRS code is REGULATION by BUREAUCRATS
who were told they had this power to unapportioned taxes on individuals.
Because of a lack of enabling legislation, IRS code is null and void.
Bureaucrats cannot and SHOULD NOT have any power to enable anything
outside US CODE. If they can...we're DOOMED!

Wrong.

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#law

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good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein

Larry,

The 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913 and became law. That it was
ratified was certified by Knox, the Secretary of State. Whether you believe
that or not is immaterial to me. I answered your question by citing the
appropriate laws. You sound like a "tax loony".

Dave M.

Larry wrote:
"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote in
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The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.


I'll bite. What's the Title/Code reference or name of the US LAW that says
I have to pay Income Tax on my wages?

Cite SPECIFIC LAW, not the bogus IRS code.

Go ahead, we'll wait.............(sound of crickets chirping)

Sorry, it took a little bit of time to pull up the relevant bits.

* United States Constitution -- Article I, Section 8, Clause 1
* 26 U.S.C.

There is NO LAW that requires you to pay INCOME TAX, an UNAPPORTIONED,
Unconstitutional tax on labor.

....what?!

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DanielSan wrote in newsoOdne9Zw-
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* United States Constitution -- Article I, Section 8, Clause 1
* 26 U.S.C.

There is NO LAW that requires you to pay INCOME TAX, an UNAPPORTIONED,
Unconstitutional tax on labor.

...what?!



If you'll notice, this is about APPORTIONED TAXES. UNapportioned taxes are
against the Constitution. The Federal Income Tax is the worst of
UNapportioned taxes and is unconstitutional, even if it were a law, which
it is not.

No, there had to be an ENABLING law, passed by the US Congress and signed
by the PRESIDENT that enabled the IRS and its goons. There is NO SUCH LAW.

Larry wrote:
DanielSan wrote in newsoOdne9Zw-
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* United States Constitution -- Article I, Section 8, Clause 1
* 26 U.S.C.

There is NO LAW that requires you to pay INCOME TAX, an UNAPPORTIONED,
Unconstitutional tax on labor.
...what?!



If you'll notice, this is about APPORTIONED TAXES. UNapportioned taxes are
against the Constitution. The Federal Income Tax is the worst of
UNapportioned taxes and is unconstitutional, even if it were a law, which
it is not.

No, there had to be an ENABLING law, passed by the US Congress and signed
by the PRESIDENT that enabled the IRS and its goons. There is NO SUCH LAW.


And your evidence that the Federal Income Tax is unapportioned is...?
And that such "unapportioned taxes" is unconstitutional is...?

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Larry wrote:

"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote
in

:

The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.


I'll bite. What's the Title/Code reference or
name of the US LAW that says I have to pay
Income Tax on my wages?

Teddy Roosevelt was one of McCain's heros.
He was responsible for enacting the progressive
income tax.

Here is a clue.
Tell the IRS you refuse to pay your taxes and see
what happens :-)

It is is not the law of the land they can not and
will not touch you.

But - here is a further clue. They will put a lien
on your house and all your property.

What is ONE crime that is used to go after mafia
king pins.

Here is a further clue:
Failure to declare and pay income tax.

Good luck, chump.


Cite SPECIFIC LAW, not the bogus IRS code.

Go ahead, we'll wait.............(sound of
crickets chirping)

There is NO LAW that requires you to pay INCOME
TAX, an UNAPPORTIONED, Unconstitutional tax on
labor.

You need to sit and watch Aaron Russo's "America
- Freedom to Fascism" for free on YouTube....all
13 parts of it.