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Capt Lou April 9th 04 02:01 PM

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If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX safe
boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many times a month
does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides, the 2004 USCGAUX decal
has an isnurance company's name printed on it. I am cutting it off of mine.

"Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every
Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at
www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to
95.9FM.

Jeff Morris April 9th 04 02:18 PM

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Ahoy Capt Lou!

I've been cruising in the same waters as you for many years and I've never been
boarded. What's the difference? Does the CG avoid sailboats?

"Capt Lou" wrote in message
...
If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX safe
boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many times a month
does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides, the 2004 USCGAUX decal
has an isnurance company's name printed on it. I am cutting it off of mine.

"Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every
Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at
www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to
95.9FM.




Jeff Morris April 9th 04 02:18 PM

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Ahoy Capt Lou!

I've been cruising in the same waters as you for many years and I've never been
boarded. What's the difference? Does the CG avoid sailboats?

"Capt Lou" wrote in message
...
If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX safe
boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many times a month
does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides, the 2004 USCGAUX decal
has an isnurance company's name printed on it. I am cutting it off of mine.

"Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every
Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at
www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to
95.9FM.




Capt Lou April 9th 04 02:29 PM

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Last year I was boarded for the first time in the past 25 years. I think in the
early part of the season, the odds are greater that you will be boarded because
there aren't as many other recreational boats on the water. Also, a powerboater
will leave the dock for a "quick" spin around the harbor. A sailboater is less
likely to do this because of the time and effort involved.

"Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every
Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at
www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to
95.9FM.

Capt Lou April 9th 04 02:29 PM

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Last year I was boarded for the first time in the past 25 years. I think in the
early part of the season, the odds are greater that you will be boarded because
there aren't as many other recreational boats on the water. Also, a powerboater
will leave the dock for a "quick" spin around the harbor. A sailboater is less
likely to do this because of the time and effort involved.

"Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every
Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at
www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to
95.9FM.

JayCeeCG April 9th 04 02:41 PM

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in a former life I used to be a coastie. The way i was trained is that the cg
aux decal is not a way to avoid a boarding. what the decal does is let the
boarding officer know that the vessel had a SAFETY insepection, and that the
B/O doesn't have to waste time counting fire extinguishers , flares, and PFD's.


As far as why you were boarded? probably cause it is early in season, and the
coasties do have to show that they have been out doing thier job. One of the
reasons i got out of the CG was i really didn't like the law enforcement aspect
of the mission. and I suspect that since 9-11 that aspect has definitely been
emphasized.

IMOP

Jared Crane


JayCeeCG April 9th 04 02:41 PM

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in a former life I used to be a coastie. The way i was trained is that the cg
aux decal is not a way to avoid a boarding. what the decal does is let the
boarding officer know that the vessel had a SAFETY insepection, and that the
B/O doesn't have to waste time counting fire extinguishers , flares, and PFD's.


As far as why you were boarded? probably cause it is early in season, and the
coasties do have to show that they have been out doing thier job. One of the
reasons i got out of the CG was i really didn't like the law enforcement aspect
of the mission. and I suspect that since 9-11 that aspect has definitely been
emphasized.

IMOP

Jared Crane


Gould 0738 April 9th 04 07:08 PM

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The USCG is now part of the Department of Homeland Security.

Aren't you in NY?

With all the current international tension, it's quite likely they're keeping a
very sharp eye on vessels of all types transiting any waters near populated
areas or military installations.

Besides, If I were a terrorist I'd want to appear as law abiding and mainstream
as possible. CGAUX inspection sticker,
oversize ensign, and maybe even a conservative talk show playing on the cabin
stereo. :-)



Gould 0738 April 9th 04 07:08 PM

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The USCG is now part of the Department of Homeland Security.

Aren't you in NY?

With all the current international tension, it's quite likely they're keeping a
very sharp eye on vessels of all types transiting any waters near populated
areas or military installations.

Besides, If I were a terrorist I'd want to appear as law abiding and mainstream
as possible. CGAUX inspection sticker,
oversize ensign, and maybe even a conservative talk show playing on the cabin
stereo. :-)



anchorlt April 9th 04 07:19 PM

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pamsuks (JayCeeCG) wrote in message ...
in a former life I used to be a coastie. The way i was trained is that the cg
aux decal is not a way to avoid a boarding. what the decal does is let the
boarding officer know that the vessel had a SAFETY insepection, and that the
B/O doesn't have to waste time counting fire extinguishers , flares, and PFD's.


As far as why you were boarded? probably cause it is early in season, and the
coasties do have to show that they have been out doing thier job. One of the
reasons i got out of the CG was i really didn't like the law enforcement aspect
of the mission. and I suspect that since 9-11 that aspect has definitely been
emphasized.

IMOP

Jared Crane


Law enforcement in the U.S. has become very heavy-handed, almost
bullying in its style and substance. CG stops and "inspects" U.S.
citizens' owned boats, but cannot find Cuban rafters on inner tubes at
coastline in FL. What's wrong with this picture? And now, if the CG
boat officer "thinks" you are headed to or are returning from Cuba,
your boat can be siezed.

anchorlt April 9th 04 07:19 PM

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pamsuks (JayCeeCG) wrote in message ...
in a former life I used to be a coastie. The way i was trained is that the cg
aux decal is not a way to avoid a boarding. what the decal does is let the
boarding officer know that the vessel had a SAFETY insepection, and that the
B/O doesn't have to waste time counting fire extinguishers , flares, and PFD's.


As far as why you were boarded? probably cause it is early in season, and the
coasties do have to show that they have been out doing thier job. One of the
reasons i got out of the CG was i really didn't like the law enforcement aspect
of the mission. and I suspect that since 9-11 that aspect has definitely been
emphasized.

IMOP

Jared Crane


Law enforcement in the U.S. has become very heavy-handed, almost
bullying in its style and substance. CG stops and "inspects" U.S.
citizens' owned boats, but cannot find Cuban rafters on inner tubes at
coastline in FL. What's wrong with this picture? And now, if the CG
boat officer "thinks" you are headed to or are returning from Cuba,
your boat can be siezed.

JayCeeCG April 9th 04 08:16 PM

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Not to mention its a very BIG ocean and those rafts are very small. Don't
have a good radar picture either. Even in it's early days when the CG was the
US cutter revenue service, the coast guard has been boarding us citizens
vessels. The gov't has been at it since 1790....thats a lot of institutional
memory to have to overcome.

Law enforcement in the U.S. has become very heavy-handed, almost
bullying in its style and substance. CG stops and "inspects" U.S.
citizens' owned boats, but cannot find Cuban rafters on inner tubes at
coastline in FL.


When was the last time you saw a Cuban rafter on an inner tube carrying a
bomb? Sounds to me like they have their priorities straight.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27









Jared Crane


JayCeeCG April 9th 04 08:16 PM

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Not to mention its a very BIG ocean and those rafts are very small. Don't
have a good radar picture either. Even in it's early days when the CG was the
US cutter revenue service, the coast guard has been boarding us citizens
vessels. The gov't has been at it since 1790....thats a lot of institutional
memory to have to overcome.

Law enforcement in the U.S. has become very heavy-handed, almost
bullying in its style and substance. CG stops and "inspects" U.S.
citizens' owned boats, but cannot find Cuban rafters on inner tubes at
coastline in FL.


When was the last time you saw a Cuban rafter on an inner tube carrying a
bomb? Sounds to me like they have their priorities straight.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27









Jared Crane


JAXAshby April 9th 04 08:53 PM

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Does the CG avoid sailboats?


yes, according to a coastie. said the coasties don't like climbing up on
sailboats -- it is a drag -- and usually everything is okay to boot.

JAXAshby April 9th 04 08:53 PM

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Does the CG avoid sailboats?


yes, according to a coastie. said the coasties don't like climbing up on
sailboats -- it is a drag -- and usually everything is okay to boot.

Gogarty April 9th 04 09:21 PM

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In article ,
pamsuks says...

(Snip)

As far as why you were boarded? probably cause it is early in season, and the
coasties do have to show that they have been out doing thier job. One of the
reasons i got out of the CG was i really didn't like the law enforcement

aspect
of the mission. and I suspect that since 9-11 that aspect has definitely been
emphasized.

Interesting. We visited the Eaton's Point light and CG station last year and
more than one young Coastie told us he was in the service to help people, not
for law enforcement.

We were also boarded in early spring last year as we were motoring up Flushing
Bay after leavinbg the slip. The Coasties had come in to fuel at the fuel dock
and on their way back out boarded us. Clearly, they had nothing better to do
and we were the only boat out there that day. We got a clean sheet. Indeed, I
had to prod him to look at some things, like our pyrotechnics. I am proud that
everything on the boat is as it should be and didn't want him to overlook
anything. But it seems that west of Execution Rock on Long Island Sound
pyrotechnicas are not required and he did not bneed to examine them for their
expiration dates.


Gogarty April 9th 04 09:21 PM

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In article ,
pamsuks says...

(Snip)

As far as why you were boarded? probably cause it is early in season, and the
coasties do have to show that they have been out doing thier job. One of the
reasons i got out of the CG was i really didn't like the law enforcement

aspect
of the mission. and I suspect that since 9-11 that aspect has definitely been
emphasized.

Interesting. We visited the Eaton's Point light and CG station last year and
more than one young Coastie told us he was in the service to help people, not
for law enforcement.

We were also boarded in early spring last year as we were motoring up Flushing
Bay after leavinbg the slip. The Coasties had come in to fuel at the fuel dock
and on their way back out boarded us. Clearly, they had nothing better to do
and we were the only boat out there that day. We got a clean sheet. Indeed, I
had to prod him to look at some things, like our pyrotechnics. I am proud that
everything on the boat is as it should be and didn't want him to overlook
anything. But it seems that west of Execution Rock on Long Island Sound
pyrotechnicas are not required and he did not bneed to examine them for their
expiration dates.


Larry W4CSC April 12th 04 02:49 PM

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(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX
safe boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many
times a month does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides,
the 2004 USCGAUX decal has an isnurance company's name printed on it.
I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you
can't see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran over
them. They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI Joe.

My little yellow Sea Rayder had the USCG-AUX current decal on it and I even
pointed it out to the Coasties. It meant nothing and was a waste of my
boating time to get the boat inspected. The inspection report from the
Coasties WAS worth keeping, however. I kept it handy at the helm to show
the other bureaucrats and they accepted the inspection report, even if it
were a few months old. I simply offered it with my driver's license and
the boat tax verification (registration) card. Showing it passed, only a
few went snooping around in the engine/storage compartment to make sure I
wasn't trying to sneak any Budweiser across the boarder from Mt Pleasant.

Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office.......

Larry W4CSC

Larry W4CSC April 12th 04 02:49 PM

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(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX
safe boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many
times a month does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides,
the 2004 USCGAUX decal has an isnurance company's name printed on it.
I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you
can't see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran over
them. They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI Joe.

My little yellow Sea Rayder had the USCG-AUX current decal on it and I even
pointed it out to the Coasties. It meant nothing and was a waste of my
boating time to get the boat inspected. The inspection report from the
Coasties WAS worth keeping, however. I kept it handy at the helm to show
the other bureaucrats and they accepted the inspection report, even if it
were a few months old. I simply offered it with my driver's license and
the boat tax verification (registration) card. Showing it passed, only a
few went snooping around in the engine/storage compartment to make sure I
wasn't trying to sneak any Budweiser across the boarder from Mt Pleasant.

Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office.......

Larry W4CSC

Lloyd Sumpter April 13th 04 01:21 AM

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 +0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX safe
boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many times a month
does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides, the 2004 USCGAUX decal
has an isnurance company's name printed on it. I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you can't
see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran over them.
They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI Joe.


Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Lloyd
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


Lloyd Sumpter April 13th 04 01:21 AM

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 +0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX safe
boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many times a month
does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides, the 2004 USCGAUX decal
has an isnurance company's name printed on it. I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you can't
see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran over them.
They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI Joe.


Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Lloyd
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


rhys April 13th 04 05:15 AM

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:


Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)


Never been stopped in my 33 foot sailboat in Toronto, have been
stopped twice in the Inner Harbour in my Zodiac by Metro Marine (water
cops, local, but using federal safety regs at hand). They've seemed
faintly disappointed, particularly given my piratical appearance, to
find a proper PFD, bailer, heaving line, flares, signalling device,
handheld VHF, GPS and extra oars, boat hook and engine spares aboard
my 10 foot RIB.

Thank goodness they weren't looking for dope G.

R.

rhys April 13th 04 05:15 AM

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:


Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)


Never been stopped in my 33 foot sailboat in Toronto, have been
stopped twice in the Inner Harbour in my Zodiac by Metro Marine (water
cops, local, but using federal safety regs at hand). They've seemed
faintly disappointed, particularly given my piratical appearance, to
find a proper PFD, bailer, heaving line, flares, signalling device,
handheld VHF, GPS and extra oars, boat hook and engine spares aboard
my 10 foot RIB.

Thank goodness they weren't looking for dope G.

R.

Larry W4CSC April 13th 04 05:43 PM

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Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops


This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....

BTW, for those who wish to peek into our future, 1984 is now available for
download on alt.binaries.movies.divx if you missed it. He had the date
wrong, but not the concept......Keep voting away our constitutional
rights....


Larry W4CSC April 13th 04 05:43 PM

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Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops


This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....

BTW, for those who wish to peek into our future, 1984 is now available for
download on alt.binaries.movies.divx if you missed it. He had the date
wrong, but not the concept......Keep voting away our constitutional
rights....


Gogarty April 13th 04 07:05 PM

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In article , says...


Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops


This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....


On accounta it's not illegal. The Supreme Court ruled nearly 200 years ago
that vessels are different and may be stopped and searched for any reason or
no reason. At the time, the concern was smuggling and recreational vessels
weren't in mind at all. The Court has had many opportunities to revisit the
issue and has declined to do so. You live-aboards do not have the
Constitutional rights of the rest of us. Of course, since the Patruiot Act
and before, none of us has many rights left.


Gogarty April 13th 04 07:05 PM

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In article , says...


Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops


This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....


On accounta it's not illegal. The Supreme Court ruled nearly 200 years ago
that vessels are different and may be stopped and searched for any reason or
no reason. At the time, the concern was smuggling and recreational vessels
weren't in mind at all. The Court has had many opportunities to revisit the
issue and has declined to do so. You live-aboards do not have the
Constitutional rights of the rest of us. Of course, since the Patruiot Act
and before, none of us has many rights left.


Rodney Myrvaagnes April 13th 04 07:24 PM

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:43:33 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops


This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

I guess you should contact a real lawyer to get an official reading,
but briefly, the protection in your car ends at the shore. The USCG
can stop and board any US vessel anywhere, any vessel in US
territorial waters, and many other vessels anywhere by treaty
agreement with their countries of registry.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia

Rodney Myrvaagnes April 13th 04 07:24 PM

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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:43:33 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops


This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

I guess you should contact a real lawyer to get an official reading,
but briefly, the protection in your car ends at the shore. The USCG
can stop and board any US vessel anywhere, any vessel in US
territorial waters, and many other vessels anywhere by treaty
agreement with their countries of registry.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia

Paul Revere April 13th 04 08:02 PM

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In article , Gogarty wrote:
In article , says...


Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops

This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....


On accounta it's not illegal. The Supreme Court ruled nearly 200 years ago
that vessels are different and may be stopped and searched for any reason or
no reason. At the time, the concern was smuggling and recreational vessels
weren't in mind at all. The Court has had many opportunities to revisit the
issue and has declined to do so. You live-aboards do not have the
Constitutional rights of the rest of us. Of course, since the Patruiot Act
and before, none of us has many rights left.


The phrase "equal protection of the laws" within the 14th Amendment to the
Constitution applies only to prohibiting *States* from subjecting citizens to
unequal protection of the laws.

The federal government is free to treat citizens unequally, for example,
denying the "protection of the laws" enjoyed by citizens residing in land
locked homes to citizens living in homes that float.

But, as has been pointed out, even citizens living in land locked homes are
having their legal protections eroded. Perhaps we will soon achieve "equal
protection of the laws" via the erosion of protections for all citizens.

Paul Revere April 13th 04 08:02 PM

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In article , Gogarty wrote:
In article , says...


Dave wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said:

Many of the unconstitutional stops

This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?"

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27


It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....


On accounta it's not illegal. The Supreme Court ruled nearly 200 years ago
that vessels are different and may be stopped and searched for any reason or
no reason. At the time, the concern was smuggling and recreational vessels
weren't in mind at all. The Court has had many opportunities to revisit the
issue and has declined to do so. You live-aboards do not have the
Constitutional rights of the rest of us. Of course, since the Patruiot Act
and before, none of us has many rights left.


The phrase "equal protection of the laws" within the 14th Amendment to the
Constitution applies only to prohibiting *States* from subjecting citizens to
unequal protection of the laws.

The federal government is free to treat citizens unequally, for example,
denying the "protection of the laws" enjoyed by citizens residing in land
locked homes to citizens living in homes that float.

But, as has been pointed out, even citizens living in land locked homes are
having their legal protections eroded. Perhaps we will soon achieve "equal
protection of the laws" via the erosion of protections for all citizens.

Bruce in Alaska April 13th 04 08:21 PM

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In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....


This is very simple Larry. Your local "Man" (cops) operate under US
Local, State, and Federal Law. The USCG operates under International
Maritime Law, and Federal Statues. Two totally different sets of Law
and Juresprudence. Most International Maritime Law dates back to
the early 1500's and is big on AntiPirating, which was the scourge
of the Higgh Seas back then. If your inside US waters it doesn't matter
what Flag you fly, USCG can and does Board you at their whim. If your
a US Flag thenUSCG can board you anywhere,anytime at their whim.
If your a forein Flag and in International Waters, they must receive
Permission of you Flag's Government to board, unless they have
"Cause to believe that you have committed one of the Actionable Offenses
inside US Waters and are fleeing, or you are a Pirate.

Bruce in alaska who wouldn't want to be classed as a pirate
--
add a 2 before @

Bruce in Alaska April 13th 04 08:21 PM

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In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote:

It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason
other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk.....

Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing
expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for
stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become
conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference?

Larry W4CSC

Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure.....


This is very simple Larry. Your local "Man" (cops) operate under US
Local, State, and Federal Law. The USCG operates under International
Maritime Law, and Federal Statues. Two totally different sets of Law
and Juresprudence. Most International Maritime Law dates back to
the early 1500's and is big on AntiPirating, which was the scourge
of the Higgh Seas back then. If your inside US waters it doesn't matter
what Flag you fly, USCG can and does Board you at their whim. If your
a US Flag thenUSCG can board you anywhere,anytime at their whim.
If your a forein Flag and in International Waters, they must receive
Permission of you Flag's Government to board, unless they have
"Cause to believe that you have committed one of the Actionable Offenses
inside US Waters and are fleeing, or you are a Pirate.

Bruce in alaska who wouldn't want to be classed as a pirate
--
add a 2 before @

BCC April 13th 04 11:21 PM

Coast Guard Inspections - where are the rules?
 
Where does it say this - I looked but can't find it - what law,
directive, statute - and what countries in the treaties??


The USCG
can stop and board any US vessel anywhere, any vessel in US
territorial waters, and many other vessels anywhere by treaty
agreement with their countries of registry.





BCC April 13th 04 11:21 PM

Coast Guard Inspections - where are the rules?
 
Where does it say this - I looked but can't find it - what law,
directive, statute - and what countries in the treaties??


The USCG
can stop and board any US vessel anywhere, any vessel in US
territorial waters, and many other vessels anywhere by treaty
agreement with their countries of registry.





Peter April 14th 04 06:41 AM

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Lloyd
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


Hmm. Try living in the State of Victoria, Australia. Our State Gov
just sees yachties and boaties as a revenue stream. You need a
liscence for your boat (we get around that since we're registered as a
ship with the Commonwealth Gov) plus a personal annual liscence for
anyone who might move the boat under power. Serious penalties if you
let an unliscenced friend "have a go" one day. The test itself has
nothing to do with driving a boat! Oh, and fishing permits of course.

And you can be stopped by the Water Police, Coatguard and Fisheries.

We've been stopped a few times because we don't have the State boat
liscence showing. We point out we don't need one and that we have the
ships number on our stern. They tell us it is too small - it is if it
were a State registration number, but it's fine as a Commonwealth
registration. We show them our letter from the State Marine Board
confirming we are exempt from the State liscence. To protect it, it's
sealed in clear plastic - they complain they can't check it's legit.

To make themselves feel useful, they check the safety gear ("Yes, the
fire blanket is up to date with its certification") and sometimes
breathalyse you for good measure before zooming off.

I have no problem with safety gear checks. Our Water Police are
bloody good, but I feel realy sorry them being dragged into this
paperwork war so the fat pollie cats in Spring Street can go on
another fact finding misson to Barbados!

Peter

www.oceanodyssey.net

Peter & Jean looking for sponsors for the Melbourne-Osaka in 2007, and
promising we will get round to updating our website this year.

"Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

Peter April 14th 04 06:41 AM

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Lloyd
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


Hmm. Try living in the State of Victoria, Australia. Our State Gov
just sees yachties and boaties as a revenue stream. You need a
liscence for your boat (we get around that since we're registered as a
ship with the Commonwealth Gov) plus a personal annual liscence for
anyone who might move the boat under power. Serious penalties if you
let an unliscenced friend "have a go" one day. The test itself has
nothing to do with driving a boat! Oh, and fishing permits of course.

And you can be stopped by the Water Police, Coatguard and Fisheries.

We've been stopped a few times because we don't have the State boat
liscence showing. We point out we don't need one and that we have the
ships number on our stern. They tell us it is too small - it is if it
were a State registration number, but it's fine as a Commonwealth
registration. We show them our letter from the State Marine Board
confirming we are exempt from the State liscence. To protect it, it's
sealed in clear plastic - they complain they can't check it's legit.

To make themselves feel useful, they check the safety gear ("Yes, the
fire blanket is up to date with its certification") and sometimes
breathalyse you for good measure before zooming off.

I have no problem with safety gear checks. Our Water Police are
bloody good, but I feel realy sorry them being dragged into this
paperwork war so the fat pollie cats in Spring Street can go on
another fact finding misson to Barbados!

Peter

www.oceanodyssey.net

Peter & Jean looking for sponsors for the Melbourne-Osaka in 2007, and
promising we will get round to updating our website this year.

"Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

Keith April 14th 04 12:25 PM

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Around the Kemah / Galveston Bay area, the best way to be boarded is to have
a bunch of bikinis or even less scantily clad beauties in plain view. That's
about all the watercops pay any attention to around here. You could scream
through the no wake zone at 50 mph and they couldn't care less... I guess
the equivalent of doughnut shops on the water.

--


Keith
__
'No, `Eureka' is Greek for `this bath is too hot.'' -- Dr. Who
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX
safe boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many
times a month does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides,
the 2004 USCGAUX decal has an isnurance company's name printed on it.
I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several

police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you
can't see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran

over
them. They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI

Joe.

My little yellow Sea Rayder had the USCG-AUX current decal on it and I

even
pointed it out to the Coasties. It meant nothing and was a waste of my
boating time to get the boat inspected. The inspection report from the
Coasties WAS worth keeping, however. I kept it handy at the helm to show
the other bureaucrats and they accepted the inspection report, even if it
were a few months old. I simply offered it with my driver's license and
the boat tax verification (registration) card. Showing it passed, only a
few went snooping around in the engine/storage compartment to make sure I
wasn't trying to sneak any Budweiser across the boarder from Mt Pleasant.

Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised

drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license

office.......

Larry W4CSC




Keith April 14th 04 12:25 PM

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Around the Kemah / Galveston Bay area, the best way to be boarded is to have
a bunch of bikinis or even less scantily clad beauties in plain view. That's
about all the watercops pay any attention to around here. You could scream
through the no wake zone at 50 mph and they couldn't care less... I guess
the equivalent of doughnut shops on the water.

--


Keith
__
'No, `Eureka' is Greek for `this bath is too hot.'' -- Dr. Who
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX
safe boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many
times a month does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides,
the 2004 USCGAUX decal has an isnurance company's name printed on it.
I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several

police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you
can't see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran

over
them. They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI

Joe.

My little yellow Sea Rayder had the USCG-AUX current decal on it and I

even
pointed it out to the Coasties. It meant nothing and was a waste of my
boating time to get the boat inspected. The inspection report from the
Coasties WAS worth keeping, however. I kept it handy at the helm to show
the other bureaucrats and they accepted the inspection report, even if it
were a few months old. I simply offered it with my driver's license and
the boat tax verification (registration) card. Showing it passed, only a
few went snooping around in the engine/storage compartment to make sure I
wasn't trying to sneak any Budweiser across the boarder from Mt Pleasant.

Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised

drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license

office.......

Larry W4CSC




Paul Schilter April 15th 04 10:33 PM

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Larry,
I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism.
Paul

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
snipped
Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised

drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license

office.......

Larry W4CSC





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