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Larry,
I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC |
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USCG inspections and their legal power to do them have been a reality
for many years and have little to do with Homeland "Security". In fact, with the new burdens and meager funding increase the CG will be hard pressed to do as many as they have in the past. Paul Schilter wrote: Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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USCG inspections and their legal power to do them have been a reality
for many years and have little to do with Homeland "Security". In fact, with the new burdens and meager funding increase the CG will be hard pressed to do as many as they have in the past. Paul Schilter wrote: Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Which rights, specifically were revoked?
-- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC |
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Which rights, specifically were revoked?
-- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote (with possible editing): Which rights, specifically were revoked? Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Some would also say: Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Btw, no flame intended here. I personally believe when Ashcroft proposed Patriot Act I and the provisions of Patriot Act II which were subsequently buried in other legislation, he crossed the line. -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote (with possible editing): Which rights, specifically were revoked? Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Some would also say: Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Btw, no flame intended here. I personally believe when Ashcroft proposed Patriot Act I and the provisions of Patriot Act II which were subsequently buried in other legislation, he crossed the line. -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com |
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#5 "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; ..." The SCotUS held that Americans could resist unwarranted arrest as though it was a kidnapping and to use deadly force up to do so, until the early 1900s. How times do change ...... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Which rights, specifically were revoked? |
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#5 "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; ..." The SCotUS held that Americans could resist unwarranted arrest as though it was a kidnapping and to use deadly force up to do so, until the early 1900s. How times do change ...... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Which rights, specifically were revoked? |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Which rights, specifically were revoked? -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC |
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Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Which rights, specifically were revoked? -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC |
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Wayne,
I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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Wayne,
I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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Maybe I need to get out more. I haven't noticed any difference, except the
long lines at the airport. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Wayne, I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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Maybe I need to get out more. I haven't noticed any difference, except the
long lines at the airport. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Wayne, I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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lawyerspeak?
SV "Dave" wrote in message ... Nothing like a nice specific answer. On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:58:52 -0400, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net said: I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? |
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lawyerspeak?
SV "Dave" wrote in message ... Nothing like a nice specific answer. On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:58:52 -0400, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net said: I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? |
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In article , "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott, Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message .. . Which rights, specifically were revoked? No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act. Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V - No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC |
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In article , "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott, Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message .. . Which rights, specifically were revoked? No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act. Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V - No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Larry, I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism. Paul "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... snipped Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised drug raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I think, because there were teens aboard my boat. It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license office....... Larry W4CSC |
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In article ,
Gogarty wrote: You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace. Actually, the above is not quite correct. You are only "Fair Game" for the USCG, and not from just any LEA. You may refuse any local, State, or Federal LEO, to board your vessel without a Warrent. The only exception, besides USCG, would be a US Marshal. When ever I needed to board a vessel without the skippers permission (FCC Field Agent) I had to go get a USCG Officer/NonCom, or the local US Marshal, and use their authority to conduct my investigation. Only happened a few times while I was a Fed. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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In article ,
Gogarty wrote: You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace. Actually, the above is not quite correct. You are only "Fair Game" for the USCG, and not from just any LEA. You may refuse any local, State, or Federal LEO, to board your vessel without a Warrent. The only exception, besides USCG, would be a US Marshal. When ever I needed to board a vessel without the skippers permission (FCC Field Agent) I had to go get a USCG Officer/NonCom, or the local US Marshal, and use their authority to conduct my investigation. Only happened a few times while I was a Fed. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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"Paul Revere" wrote in message news:pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03... In article , "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Scott, Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message .. . Which rights, specifically were revoked? No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act. Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Wasn't that thrown out the window years ago in the name of the so-called ''drug war''? SV |
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"Paul Revere" wrote in message news:pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03... In article , "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Scott, Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message .. . Which rights, specifically were revoked? No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act. Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Wasn't that thrown out the window years ago in the name of the so-called ''drug war''? SV |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Maybe I need to get out more. I haven't noticed any difference, except the long lines at the airport. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ Are you aware of all the thousands of legal immigrants who were recently arrested and jailed for many months, without any charges, and then released? "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Wayne, I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Maybe I need to get out more. I haven't noticed any difference, except the long lines at the airport. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ Are you aware of all the thousands of legal immigrants who were recently arrested and jailed for many months, without any charges, and then released? "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Wayne, I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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(Capt Lou) wrote in message ...
If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX safe boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many times a month does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides, the 2004 USCGAUX decal has an isnurance company's name printed on it. I am cutting it off of mine. "Listen to the live broadcast of 'Nautical Talk Radio' with Captain Lou every Sunday afternoon from 4 - 5 (Eastern Standard Time) on the web at www.959watd.com or if you are in Boston or Cape Cod set your radio dial to 95.9FM. If you want to get past CG, just get an old wooden boat, fake being a Haitian, aim at Florida's SE coast, especially the causeway between Miami and Miami Beach, and read the sign "Welcome Ashore." |
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No. Where was this?
"anchorlt" wrote in message om... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Maybe I need to get out more. I haven't noticed any difference, except the long lines at the airport. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ Are you aware of all the thousands of legal immigrants who were recently arrested and jailed for many months, without any charges, and then released? "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Wayne, I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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No. Where was this?
"anchorlt" wrote in message om... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Maybe I need to get out more. I haven't noticed any difference, except the long lines at the airport. -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ Are you aware of all the thousands of legal immigrants who were recently arrested and jailed for many months, without any charges, and then released? "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Wayne, I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in jeopardy. Paul "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon" wrote: Which rights, specifically were revoked? =================================== #6 - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial... |
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In article , "Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Paul Revere" wrote in message news:pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03... In article , "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Scott, Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message .. . Which rights, specifically were revoked? No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act. Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Wasn't that thrown out the window years ago in the name of the so-called ''drug war''? SV A number of rights have been systematically violated in the name of the "war on drugs" but because the "war on terror" scares more people, public support for systematic violations of rights has more popular support. |
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In article , "Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Paul Revere" wrote in message news:pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03... In article , "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote: Scott, Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more intrusion into our personal lives. Paul "Scott Vernon" wrote in message .. . Which rights, specifically were revoked? No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act. Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Wasn't that thrown out the window years ago in the name of the so-called ''drug war''? SV A number of rights have been systematically violated in the name of the "war on drugs" but because the "war on terror" scares more people, public support for systematic violations of rights has more popular support. |
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Are you aware of all the thousands of legal immigrants who were recently arrested and jailed for many months, without any charges, and then released? Are you aware of all the thousands of illegal immigrants that think they are entitled to drivers licenses and social services. Why isn't immigration at the drivers license bureau. Dennis |
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