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In article , "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific
rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the
name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more
intrusion into our personal lives.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
.. .
Which rights, specifically were revoked?


No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional
Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act.

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V - No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except
in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor
be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been
previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of
the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Larry,
I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of
terrorism.
Paul

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
snipped
Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised
drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat,
I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away
any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license
office.......

Larry W4CSC

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In article pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03, says...


In article , "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific
rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the
name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more
intrusion into our personal lives.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
. ..
Which rights, specifically were revoked?


No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional
Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act.

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V - No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except
in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor
be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been
previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of
the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Law enforcement routinely flouts all of these. But the Fourth Amendment in
particular has been a dead letter for many years, shot through with Supreme
Court exceptions. However, the discussion was about boats in particular.
Vessels on navigable waters are not protected and may be stopped and searched
at any time for any reason or no reason. The Court so ruled nearly 200 years
ago and despite many opportunitioes to revisit the matter has never ruled
otherwise. You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace.

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In article pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03, says...


In article , "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific
rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the
name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more
intrusion into our personal lives.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
. ..
Which rights, specifically were revoked?


No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional
Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act.

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V - No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except
in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor
be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right
to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been
previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of
the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Law enforcement routinely flouts all of these. But the Fourth Amendment in
particular has been a dead letter for many years, shot through with Supreme
Court exceptions. However, the discussion was about boats in particular.
Vessels on navigable waters are not protected and may be stopped and searched
at any time for any reason or no reason. The Court so ruled nearly 200 years
ago and despite many opportunitioes to revisit the matter has never ruled
otherwise. You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace.

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In article , Gogarty wrote:
In article pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03, says...


In article , "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific
rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the
name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more
intrusion into our personal lives.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
.. .
Which rights, specifically were revoked?


No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional
Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act.

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and

the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V - No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except
in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor
be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right

to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been
previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of
the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Law enforcement routinely flouts all of these. But the Fourth Amendment in
particular has been a dead letter for many years, shot through with Supreme
Court exceptions. However, the discussion was about boats in particular.
Vessels on navigable waters are not protected and may be stopped and searched
at any time for any reason or no reason. The Court so ruled nearly 200 years
ago and despite many opportunitioes to revisit the matter has never ruled
otherwise. You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace.


Unfortunate, but true.

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In article , Gogarty wrote:
In article pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03, says...


In article , "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you specific
rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in the
name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more
intrusion into our personal lives.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
.. .
Which rights, specifically were revoked?


No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new Constitutional
Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act.

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and

the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V - No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise
infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except
in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in
actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor
shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor
be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI - In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right

to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district
wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been
previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of
the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have
compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the
assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines
imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Law enforcement routinely flouts all of these. But the Fourth Amendment in
particular has been a dead letter for many years, shot through with Supreme
Court exceptions. However, the discussion was about boats in particular.
Vessels on navigable waters are not protected and may be stopped and searched
at any time for any reason or no reason. The Court so ruled nearly 200 years
ago and despite many opportunitioes to revisit the matter has never ruled
otherwise. You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace.


Unfortunate, but true.

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In article ,
Gogarty wrote:

You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace.

Actually, the above is not quite correct. You are only "Fair Game"
for the USCG, and not from just any LEA. You may refuse any local,
State, or Federal LEO, to board your vessel without a Warrent. The only
exception, besides USCG, would be a US Marshal. When ever I needed
to board a vessel without the skippers permission (FCC Field Agent)
I had to go get a USCG Officer/NonCom, or the local US Marshal, and use
their authority to conduct my investigation. Only happened a few times
while I was a Fed.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

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In article ,
Gogarty wrote:

You are in a boat you are fair game for LEA, anytime, anyplace.

Actually, the above is not quite correct. You are only "Fair Game"
for the USCG, and not from just any LEA. You may refuse any local,
State, or Federal LEO, to board your vessel without a Warrent. The only
exception, besides USCG, would be a US Marshal. When ever I needed
to board a vessel without the skippers permission (FCC Field Agent)
I had to go get a USCG Officer/NonCom, or the local US Marshal, and use
their authority to conduct my investigation. Only happened a few times
while I was a Fed.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

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"Paul Revere" wrote in message
news:pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03...
In article , "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you
specific
rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in
the
name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more
intrusion into our personal lives.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
.. .
Which rights, specifically were revoked?


No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new
Constitutional
Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act.

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not
be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported
by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched,
and
the persons or things to be seized.


Wasn't that thrown out the window years ago in the name of the so-called
''drug war''?

SV

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"Paul Revere" wrote in message
news:pa4gc.17470$bl.3425@okepread03...
In article , "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote:
Scott,
Specifically? Well Scott, I not a lawyer so I can't quote you
specific
rights. Perhaps it's more a feeling that the newer laws being passed in
the
name of terrorist defense will be used as an excuse to justify more
intrusion into our personal lives.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
.. .
Which rights, specifically were revoked?


No rights were "revoked" (which would require at least one new
Constitutional
Amendment), but a number are violated by the Patriot Act.

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not
be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probably cause, supported
by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched,
and
the persons or things to be seized.


Wasn't that thrown out the window years ago in the name of the so-called
''drug war''?

SV

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Maybe I need to get out more. I haven't noticed any difference, except the
long lines at the airport.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

Are you aware of all the thousands of legal immigrants who were
recently arrested and jailed for many months, without any charges, and
then released?

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Wayne,
I for one think that this is a dark moment in our nation's history. I
don't remember in my lifetime a period where our liberties were more in
jeopardy.
Paul

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

Which rights, specifically were revoked?

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