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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote: Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to 36-ft sailboats. (I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...) Never been stopped in my 33 foot sailboat in Toronto, have been stopped twice in the Inner Harbour in my Zodiac by Metro Marine (water cops, local, but using federal safety regs at hand). They've seemed faintly disappointed, particularly given my piratical appearance, to find a proper PFD, bailer, heaving line, flares, signalling device, handheld VHF, GPS and extra oars, boat hook and engine spares aboard my 10 foot RIB. Thank goodness they weren't looking for dope G. R. |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote: Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to 36-ft sailboats. (I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...) Never been stopped in my 33 foot sailboat in Toronto, have been stopped twice in the Inner Harbour in my Zodiac by Metro Marine (water cops, local, but using federal safety regs at hand). They've seemed faintly disappointed, particularly given my piratical appearance, to find a proper PFD, bailer, heaving line, flares, signalling device, handheld VHF, GPS and extra oars, boat hook and engine spares aboard my 10 foot RIB. Thank goodness they weren't looking for dope G. R. |
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Dave wrote in
: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said: Many of the unconstitutional stops This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?" Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk..... Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference? Larry W4CSC Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure..... BTW, for those who wish to peek into our future, 1984 is now available for download on alt.binaries.movies.divx if you missed it. He had the date wrong, but not the concept......Keep voting away our constitutional rights.... |
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Dave wrote in
: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said: Many of the unconstitutional stops This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?" Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk..... Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference? Larry W4CSC Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure..... BTW, for those who wish to peek into our future, 1984 is now available for download on alt.binaries.movies.divx if you missed it. He had the date wrong, but not the concept......Keep voting away our constitutional rights.... |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:43:33 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote: Dave wrote in : On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said: Many of the unconstitutional stops This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?" Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk..... Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference? I guess you should contact a real lawyer to get an official reading, but briefly, the protection in your car ends at the shore. The USCG can stop and board any US vessel anywhere, any vessel in US territorial waters, and many other vessels anywhere by treaty agreement with their countries of registry. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:43:33 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote: Dave wrote in : On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said: Many of the unconstitutional stops This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?" Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk..... Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference? I guess you should contact a real lawyer to get an official reading, but briefly, the protection in your car ends at the shore. The USCG can stop and board any US vessel anywhere, any vessel in US territorial waters, and many other vessels anywhere by treaty agreement with their countries of registry. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a "Be careful. The toe you stepped on yesterday may be connected to the ass you have to kiss today." --Former mayor Ciancia |
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In article , Gogarty wrote:
In article , says... Dave wrote in : On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 -0000, Larry W4CSC said: Many of the unconstitutional stops This from another of what we used to call in the Navy a "sea-lawyer?" Dave S/V Good Fortune CS27 It is illegal and unconstitutional to stop you in your car for no reason other than the cop wants to go on a fishing expedition in your trunk..... Why is this different in my boat? Why can the cop go on a fishing expedition in my boat's "trunk" without a constitutional reason for stopping me in the first place? Why do boaters like Dave become conditioned to accept this on the water? What's the difference? Larry W4CSC Illegal Search and Seizure is illegal search and seizure..... On accounta it's not illegal. The Supreme Court ruled nearly 200 years ago that vessels are different and may be stopped and searched for any reason or no reason. At the time, the concern was smuggling and recreational vessels weren't in mind at all. The Court has had many opportunities to revisit the issue and has declined to do so. You live-aboards do not have the Constitutional rights of the rest of us. Of course, since the Patruiot Act and before, none of us has many rights left. The phrase "equal protection of the laws" within the 14th Amendment to the Constitution applies only to prohibiting *States* from subjecting citizens to unequal protection of the laws. The federal government is free to treat citizens unequally, for example, denying the "protection of the laws" enjoyed by citizens residing in land locked homes to citizens living in homes that float. But, as has been pointed out, even citizens living in land locked homes are having their legal protections eroded. Perhaps we will soon achieve "equal protection of the laws" via the erosion of protections for all citizens. |
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