Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
(Note that in this one, they refer to "Type I and II". There's no such
designation in Canada: it's just "sewage" or "not sewage" (refer to the first
link, which is the actual regulations)

Iow, you're saying that in Canada there is no "3 mile limit" in coastal
waters...that raw sewage may be discharged directly overboard from the
toilet and holding tanks may be dumped anywhere in coastal Canadian
waters except in those areas specifically designated "no discharge?"

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Maybe so, but the Sealand bore is 30% larger. It also has an angled
foot that leaves less residual waste in the tank. Having said that, I
have the Ronco dip tube. If I were modifying an existing tank, Sealand
gets the nod. Building a new tank from scratch, I'd go with the
factory install.



On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:56:11 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:



Marc wrote:
Be careful about the Ronco dip tubes. The fitting is a 1.5" PVC
threaded adapter with a 1.25" schedule 80 dip tube which has been
rabittted and glued together. Sealand makes a diptube which can be
installed in any tank with a full 1.5" bore.

It's not that critical...Anything in the tank that's likely to clog a
1.25" pipe would also clog a 1.5" pipe.

-
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

Maybe so, but the Sealand bore is 30% larger. It also has an angled
foot that leaves less residual waste in the tank. Having said that, I
have the Ronco dip tube. If I were modifying an existing tank, Sealand
gets the nod. Building a new tank from scratch, I'd go with the
factory install.



On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 05:56:11 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:



Marc wrote:
Be careful about the Ronco dip tubes. The fitting is a 1.5" PVC
threaded adapter with a 1.25" schedule 80 dip tube which has been
rabittted and glued together. Sealand makes a diptube which can be
installed in any tank with a full 1.5" bore.

It's not that critical...Anything in the tank that's likely to clog a
1.25" pipe would also clog a 1.5" pipe.

-
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:03:30 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
(Note that in this one, they refer to "Type I and II". There's no such
designation in Canada: it's just "sewage" or "not sewage" (refer to the first
link, which is the actual regulations)

Iow, you're saying that in Canada there is no "3 mile limit" in coastal
waters...that raw sewage may be discharged directly overboard from the toilet
and holding tanks may be dumped anywhere in coastal Canadian waters except in
those areas specifically designated "no discharge?"

Kinda, I think...What I'm saying is that the "Type I" Type II" and "Type III"
are purely American designations - they have no legal definition in Canada (or
other parts of the world).

This is why a Raritan treatment system doesn't make much sense in Canada: "raw"
and "treated" sewage is the same.

I'd check the Canadian regs to see what and where dumping is legal. I know what
you say is true for Georgia Strait: No dumping ANYTHING in the "no discharge"
zones, but you can empty your holding tank (raw or treated) in Georgia Strait.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:03:30 +0000, Peggie Hall wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
(Note that in this one, they refer to "Type I and II". There's no such
designation in Canada: it's just "sewage" or "not sewage" (refer to the first
link, which is the actual regulations)

Iow, you're saying that in Canada there is no "3 mile limit" in coastal
waters...that raw sewage may be discharged directly overboard from the toilet
and holding tanks may be dumped anywhere in coastal Canadian waters except in
those areas specifically designated "no discharge?"

Kinda, I think...What I'm saying is that the "Type I" Type II" and "Type III"
are purely American designations - they have no legal definition in Canada (or
other parts of the world).

This is why a Raritan treatment system doesn't make much sense in Canada: "raw"
and "treated" sewage is the same.

I'd check the Canadian regs to see what and where dumping is legal. I know what
you say is true for Georgia Strait: No dumping ANYTHING in the "no discharge"
zones, but you can empty your holding tank (raw or treated) in Georgia Strait.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


Iow, you're saying that in Canada there is no "3 mile limit" in coastal
waters...that raw sewage may be discharged directly overboard from the toilet
and holding tanks may be dumped anywhere in coastal Canadian waters except in
those areas specifically designated "no discharge?"


Kinda, I think...What I'm saying is that the "Type I" Type II" and "Type III"
are purely American designations - they have no legal definition in Canada (or
other parts of the world).

Actually, Type I and II MSDs are clearly defined in ISO rules, which are
the regs for most of the world--and US regs conform to ISO rules...in
fact are the basis for many ISO rules that US rules pre-date. So while
"Type I and II MSD" may not have any meaning in Canada, they most
definitely do in most other parts of the world that have marine
sanitation regs.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_rid_of_boat_odors.htm

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


Iow, you're saying that in Canada there is no "3 mile limit" in coastal
waters...that raw sewage may be discharged directly overboard from the toilet
and holding tanks may be dumped anywhere in coastal Canadian waters except in
those areas specifically designated "no discharge?"


Kinda, I think...What I'm saying is that the "Type I" Type II" and "Type III"
are purely American designations - they have no legal definition in Canada (or
other parts of the world).

Actually, Type I and II MSDs are clearly defined in ISO rules, which are
the regs for most of the world--and US regs conform to ISO rules...in
fact are the basis for many ISO rules that US rules pre-date. So while
"Type I and II MSD" may not have any meaning in Canada, they most
definitely do in most other parts of the world that have marine
sanitation regs.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_rid_of_boat_odors.htm

I installed a backlight for the present tank, this shows the level clearly.

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:55:20 +0000, TB wrote:


Anyone know of a supplier of good holding tanks prefferably in the Toronto area.
I just deliberated over which tank to purchase from the website if Sherlon
plastics in Cambridge only to find that they no longer supply them. HMP Toronto
have them in their catalogue but non are suitable.
Tony


BTW: You might want to check the Canadian regulations on holding tanks:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations...091/csa91.html
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/obs-bsn/reg...pendix_c_e.htm

Note in particular that you NEED a means of determining the level in the tank,
and a flame-arrestor on the vent tube.

Lloyd

I installed a backlight for the present tank, this shows the level clearly.

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:55:20 +0000, TB wrote:


Anyone know of a supplier of good holding tanks prefferably in the Toronto area.
I just deliberated over which tank to purchase from the website if Sherlon
plastics in Cambridge only to find that they no longer supply them. HMP Toronto
have them in their catalogue but non are suitable.
Tony


BTW: You might want to check the Canadian regulations on holding tanks:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations...091/csa91.html
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/obs-bsn/reg...pendix_c_e.htm

Note in particular that you NEED a means of determining the level in the tank,
and a flame-arrestor on the vent tube.

Lloyd

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:38:09 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:



Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


Iow, you're saying that in Canada there is no "3 mile limit" in coastal
waters...that raw sewage may be discharged directly overboard from the toilet
and holding tanks may be dumped anywhere in coastal Canadian waters except in
those areas specifically designated "no discharge?"

This is correct. In British Columbia the "no discharge" areas are
listed at:

http://www.pacific.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/obs...as/index_e.htm




Kinda, I think...What I'm saying is that the "Type I" Type II" and "Type III"
are purely American designations - they have no legal definition in Canada (or
other parts of the world).

Actually, Type I and II MSDs are clearly defined in ISO rules, which are
the regs for most of the world--and US regs conform to ISO rules...in
fact are the basis for many ISO rules that US rules pre-date. So while
"Type I and II MSD" may not have any meaning in Canada, they most
definitely do in most other parts of the world that have marine
sanitation regs.

These are also Canadian designations:

http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/obs-bsn/pub...n_e.htm#Sewage

As a matter of interest, the city of Victoria does not treat its
effluent other than straining out the large bits.

Jack

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Swiftsure Sailing Academy
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Phone: 1 (877) 470-SAIL (toll free)
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