On 2008-08-03 17:08:00 -0400, "Roger Long" said:

There are some excellent riggers at Portland Yacht Services where he will
land here. They have set up some round the world racers. I'll be
interested to see what they have to say.

I'd love to know their opinion.

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Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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Rigging. I hesitate to post, expecting flak from the usual. But...

As a general rule when you press with a few pounds of force (a
comfortable firm push, say with your thumb) the fore, aft and uppers
should deflect 3/4" to 1-1/2". The lowers should deflect 1/2" to 1".
Use the higher side for a taller mast, say over 50'.

Measure with a halyard side to side and adjust the uppers to get the
mast straight. If you have to adjust, be sure to loosen all the lowers
first. Adjust the lowers last and be sure to sight along the mast to
check for any bend.

There is a tuning tool available, but it's just a sort of spring
loaded thing with a ruler. A human thumb and ruler is a lot cheaper
and works just as well.

Rick
Watching Tropical Storm Edouard.....
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:44:26 -0500, Rick Morel
wrote:

There is a tuning tool available, but it's just a sort of spring
loaded thing with a ruler. A human thumb and ruler is a lot cheaper
and works just as well.

Read once you should measure and memorize your body parts and you can
become a walking ruler, no need to carry one.
Stick to stuff like fingers, finger joints, wrist bone to elbow bone,
etc. You don't want to get arrested while taking measures.

--Vic

wrote

Oh, that. I never use it, as a rule.


As a rule, I would never admit something like that in a public Internet
forum.

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Roger Long

On 2008-08-03 19:44:26 -0400, Rick Morel said:

There is a tuning tool available, but it's just a sort of spring
loaded thing with a ruler. A human thumb and ruler is a lot cheaper
and works just as well.

It's a Loos gauge.

I don't sail without one, as perceptions of tension will change through
the season. If nothing else, later in the season, our idea of
"moderate" winds goes up, so the stays flop more.

Having an actual number to compare makes things more certain. I check
our tension periodically, which helped me detect a bulkhead rotting
away in a hidden corner in time to prevent serious damage. The mast
dropping about 3/16ths of an inch made a real difference.

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Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:42:59 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote:

I'm hardly a professional rigger, but I've observed lee shrouds loose on
many boats w/o adverse consequences. I think if you have the rig so taut
as the lee shrouds are tight AND you have deformed the hull to point
that you can't open a sole hatch, you have things a bit too tense.

Do you have a rigging text aboard? Maybe others with more experience on
your specific rig can chime in here.


Lee shrouds being less taunt the windward stays is normal. the
question is how much looser. Apparently the Pig's are loose enough
that the mast boot works loose.

Another problem he seems to have is that when he tightens up the
shrouds it deforms the boat. the usual cure for that is a tie rod
between the mast step and the underside of the deck.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:


Another problem he seems to have is that when he tightens up the
shrouds it deforms the boat. the usual cure for that is a tie rod
between the mast step and the underside of the deck.


I was trying to be gentle. If he's deforming his boat at the PROPER
shroud tension, he's sailing a POS which shouldn't be in commission. If
he's deforming a well made boat, then he's not at the proper tension.

I didn't want to say it so out and out but there, I have.

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:37:04 -0600, Paul Cassel
wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:


Another problem he seems to have is that when he tightens up the
shrouds it deforms the boat. the usual cure for that is a tie rod
between the mast step and the underside of the deck.


I was trying to be gentle. If he's deforming his boat at the PROPER
shroud tension, he's sailing a POS which shouldn't be in commission. If
he's deforming a well made boat, then he's not at the proper tension.

I didn't want to say it so out and out but there, I have.


I have a deck stepped mast but from what I read all keel stepped masts
will deform when the shrouds are tensioned. The usual fix if a "tie
rod" which is bolted to the deck and the mast step to prevent the deck
from flexing upward. Apparently this is a normal trait of keel stepped
boats


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:


I have a deck stepped mast but from what I read all keel stepped masts
will deform when the shrouds are tensioned. The usual fix if a "tie
rod" which is bolted to the deck and the mast step to prevent the deck
from flexing upward. Apparently this is a normal trait of keel stepped
boats


I disagree that the boat should flex enough that he can't get the sole
hatches open w/o a struggle. Any reasonable boat design needs to
consider the rig being in proper tension.

I understand the tie rod you mention and would think that an issue on a
boat like an O'Day but on a seagoing vessel?

So here you are in the Morgan showroom taking delivery of your new
Morgan XXX. The salesman tells you if you actually sail the thing, you
can either buy a tie rod because the boat is improperly designed or you
can forget opening any hatches below because the boat is improperly
designed.

Seems perfectly incredible to me - either scenario.

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That said, this has been the most wonderful cruise. Yesterday
we were briefly visited - 200 miles offshore of the nearest
point! - by two barn swallows who checked us out,
circumnavigating the boat a few times, and then headed out,
without landing, to wherever they were bound.

While offshore about 200 miles off the coast of Cal., a small bird landed on
the boat and took a couple of days R&R, wouldn't take water or food, then
headed off north. This was in late October. We took it as a very good omen.

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