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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:36:33 -0500, Vic Smith
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Anybody using these?
Anybody care to laugh at the very idea of them?

http://www.fendergrip.com/fg.html

--Vic

I don't like being laughed at. Clove hitches rule.

I don't typically use clove hitches for fender lines. Any up/down
motion
with a fender against a dock will loosen them. A cow hitch might be
better,
but it could still come undone fairly easily, as KLC says (and the
1/2
hitch
would add security). Why not use just an RT with two half-hitches?
More
secure, tightens under load?

Add a half hitch or two.

Yep... of course then I'm not sure the point of the clove hitch part.
A
round turn is easier to untie in a hurry (though barely).

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Loop over the lifeline or rail then tie a prusik back onto the line.
Cost: nearly zero.


I think it's a very bad idea to put a fender line over a lifeline or
rail.
Neither is designed for the potential loads. Cost: new lifelines or
rails.

Lifelines are intended for rather severe loads, such as a 200 pound crew
being
thrown against it. If your (editorial "your") lifelines can't be trusted
to
support a few 5-10 pound fenders, it's time for some serious upgrades.

I guess you've never had a fender get caught slightly under the dock next
to
the boat. It's going to be way more than 200 lbs worth of pull when the
boat
moves and the fenders can't.

A 200 pound person being thrown against the lifelines exerts a heck of
a lot more than 200 pounds of force, and in the direction where the
stanchions are weakest. I have had fenders get caught, and there are
several things that will surrender before the lifelines when it
happens.




Perhaps, but you were talking about the whips breaking. Stanchions are not
going to compress into the deck, but they may get pulled to one side
including fore/aft if a lifeline is depressed even by a 200 lb person.
Perhaps it's not going to be an issue if one is smart enough to have
sacrificial plastic on the end of the fender line, but a lot of people just
do a clove or round turn around the lifeline. Thus, no plastic to break,
just severely depressing the lifeline, bending the stanchion, etc.



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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:26:56 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:00:14 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:13 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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On Jul 27, 2:55 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:09:03 -0700, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:36:33 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Anybody using these?
Anybody care to laugh at the very idea of them?

http://www.fendergrip.com/fg.html

--Vic

I don't like being laughed at. Clove hitches rule.

I don't typically use clove hitches for fender lines. Any up/down
motion
with a fender against a dock will loosen them. A cow hitch might
be
better,
but it could still come undone fairly easily, as KLC says (and
the
1/2
hitch
would add security). Why not use just an RT with two
half-hitches?
More
secure, tightens under load?

Add a half hitch or two.

Yep... of course then I'm not sure the point of the clove hitch
part.
A
round turn is easier to untie in a hurry (though barely).

--
"j" ganz

Loop over the lifeline or rail then tie a prusik back onto the line.
Cost: nearly zero.


I think it's a very bad idea to put a fender line over a lifeline or
rail.
Neither is designed for the potential loads. Cost: new lifelines or
rails.

Lifelines are intended for rather severe loads, such as a 200 pound
crew
being
thrown against it. If your (editorial "your") lifelines can't be
trusted
to
support a few 5-10 pound fenders, it's time for some serious upgrades.

I guess you've never had a fender get caught slightly under the dock
next
to
the boat. It's going to be way more than 200 lbs worth of pull when the
boat
moves and the fenders can't.

A 200 pound person being thrown against the lifelines exerts a heck of
a lot more than 200 pounds of force, and in the direction where the
stanchions are weakest. I have had fenders get caught, and there are
several things that will surrender before the lifelines when it
happens.




Perhaps, but you were talking about the whips breaking. Stanchions are not
going to compress into the deck, but they may get pulled to one side
including fore/aft if a lifeline is depressed even by a 200 lb person.
Perhaps it's not going to be an issue if one is smart enough to have
sacrificial plastic on the end of the fender line, but a lot of people
just
do a clove or round turn around the lifeline. Thus, no plastic to break,
just severely depressing the lifeline, bending the stanchion, etc.

Then I guess it boils down to the fact that it's perfectly fine to
hang your fenders from the lifelines, as long as you do it correctly.
:')


Heh... well, you got me there..

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