Here's a useful bit of information for cruise planning:

Piracy map:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/extra/display.php

Please note that there were no attacks in Maine

--
Roger Long

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:20:21 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Here's a useful bit of information for cruise planning:

Piracy map:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/extra/display.php

Please note that there were no attacks in Maine


Mainiacs got the summer trade to pillage :-)

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

"Roger Long" wrote in news:g6av74$fct$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

Here's a useful bit of information for cruise planning:

On Jul 25, 6:20 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Here's a useful bit of information for cruise planning:

With the exception of the reports of piracy against yachts in S America,
I'm unclear as to how useful your information is for cruise planning,
Roger.

Two points:

1) Official piracy against yachts. The ICC page to which you linked says
zero about the government-run piracy against yachts that occurs in
Australia, for example, where foreign cruisers have been financially
ruined by 'legal' action by government agencies. Cruisers have been told,
for instance, by Australian officials in New Caledonia that they need
only to advise Australian officials 48 hours before arrival but then, on
arrival, they have been prosecuted and ruined for not giving 96 hours
notice. See http://www.thecoastalpassage.com.au/manzaris.html

2) Poor correlation between piracy against cargo vessels and acts against
private yachts. In the case of Southeast Asia and the Malacca Straits in
particular, many cruisers have heard stories about piracy (piracy against
cargo ships definitely takes place in the Malacca Straits: some of it is
just opportunistic theft, other cases are of inside jobs - ie within a
shipping company - to steal high value cargo). But there have been only
two cases of piracy against cruisers in SE Asia in a decade, and only one
of those was well substantiated (the other seems to have been a case
where the owner of a vessel wanted to claim against insurance). Cruisers
and their yachts are liable to opportunistic theft in SE Asia (if you
leave your Rolex watch on deck, don't expect it to be there when you come
back), but genuine piracy is v low on the list of risks (lightning strike
is higher).

Cheers

Bil

"Bil Hansen" wrote

I'm unclear as to how useful your information is for cruise planning,

It was a tongue in cheek post set up for the comment about Maine.

Your point about OZ is interesting though. Back when I was in aviation the
world flying community was following with dismay the destruction of
Australia's general aviation system and a healthy outback flying tourist
trade. For decades I heard what a great and family friendly country it is
(aside from the fact that anything that moves is poisonous and can kill you)
and now all I seem to hear is stuff like this. What is going on down under?

I can understand though how quickly a nation can slip into madness. Just
look at the US. Boaters dodged a bullet last week. $32,500.00 fines for
using dish detergent or hosing off your deck would be right in line with
what you report from OZ. If it had passed, it probably would have been
enforced against visiting yachts because they don't vote.

--
Roger Long

Hello Roger,

well in the US there is a ruling almost as bad and ONLY against
foreign visiting yacht, a ruling that lets you think you ended up in
North Vietnam, China or Russia at cold war days, but it is newly
implemented by Homeland Security.

US-yachts in Europe are entitled for a 18 months stay, the skipper
secured a Schengen Visa and is free to move within all Schengen treaty
countries, generally speaking, that is entire EU without GB (not
exactly, but from a sailors view)

A EU-registered yacht visiting US must report in advance, undergo a
security screening that let's you feel being a criminal AND - and this
is the point - must report at every harbor master wherever she wants
to anchor or dock en route. Even when staying in the same area, every
movement must be reported in advance, the fines are more than heavy, I
read US$ 5.000 for the first offense, doubling for the next.

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2008-02-07-1

Many EU-yachts do not take the risk and burden and wait for better
days. I wanted to sail round Pacific next year, starting Far East, but
wasting so much time with daily reports keeps me away, despite many
friends waiting in Southern California.

Seems Osama Bin Laden has won, US is frightened to death, I am sorry
to say.

Henry

On Jul 25, 7:08*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Bil Hansen" wrote
........*If it had passed, it probably would have been
enforced against visiting yachts because they don't vote.

--
Roger Long

blubaju wrote:
Hello Roger,

well in the US there is a ruling almost as bad and ONLY against
foreign visiting yacht, a ruling that lets you think you ended up in
North Vietnam, China or Russia at cold war days, but it is newly
implemented by Homeland Security.

US-yachts in Europe are entitled for a 18 months stay, the skipper
secured a Schengen Visa and is free to move within all Schengen treaty
countries, generally speaking, that is entire EU without GB (not
exactly, but from a sailors view)

A EU-registered yacht visiting US must report in advance, undergo a
security screening that let's you feel being a criminal AND - and this
is the point - must report at every harbor master wherever she wants
to anchor or dock en route. Even when staying in the same area, every
movement must be reported in advance, the fines are more than heavy, I
read US$ 5.000 for the first offense, doubling for the next.

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2008-02-07-1

Many EU-yachts do not take the risk and burden and wait for better
days. I wanted to sail round Pacific next year, starting Far East, but
wasting so much time with daily reports keeps me away, despite many
friends waiting in Southern California.

Seems Osama Bin Laden has won, US is frightened to death, I am sorry
to say.

Henry

I go to the CBP website and find none of the above. Things are the
same as always. Coming from out of country, you phone customs and they
meet you at a port of entry. They ask a few questions, look at your
papers, and clear you thru. You are then free to go where you please and
only have to report again if you leave the country and then return. Same
as always.
Had a Japanese gentleman arrive in Port Angeles the other day and he
was cleared in about 15 minutes. Took him 51 days to get here from Japan.
Gordon

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:19:35 -0700, Gordon wrote:

blubaju wrote:
Hello Roger,

well in the US there is a ruling almost as bad and ONLY against
foreign visiting yacht, a ruling that lets you think you ended up in
North Vietnam, China or Russia at cold war days, but it is newly
implemented by Homeland Security.

US-yachts in Europe are entitled for a 18 months stay, the skipper
secured a Schengen Visa and is free to move within all Schengen treaty
countries, generally speaking, that is entire EU without GB (not
exactly, but from a sailors view)

A EU-registered yacht visiting US must report in advance, undergo a
security screening that let's you feel being a criminal AND - and this
is the point - must report at every harbor master wherever she wants
to anchor or dock en route. Even when staying in the same area, every
movement must be reported in advance, the fines are more than heavy, I
read US$ 5.000 for the first offense, doubling for the next.

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2008-02-07-1

Many EU-yachts do not take the risk and burden and wait for better
days. I wanted to sail round Pacific next year, starting Far East, but
wasting so much time with daily reports keeps me away, despite many
friends waiting in Southern California.

Seems Osama Bin Laden has won, US is frightened to death, I am sorry
to say.

Henry

I go to the CBP website and find none of the above. Things are the
same as always. Coming from out of country, you phone customs and they
meet you at a port of entry. They ask a few questions, look at your
papers, and clear you thru. You are then free to go where you please and
only have to report again if you leave the country and then return. Same
as always.
Had a Japanese gentleman arrive in Port Angeles the other day and he
was cleared in about 15 minutes. Took him 51 days to get here from Japan.
Gordon


From: http://www.fort-lauderdale-marine-di...cgadvisory.php

USCG To Enforce Advance Notice of Arrival Regulations
U.S. Coast Guard Public Advisory Update

UPDATE: On 5/26/2004 we received this update from Frank Herhold:

Conversations with the USCG subsequent to the May 21, 2004 bulletin
have revealed additional information regarding the 96-Hour Advance
Notice of Arrival (ANOA) regulation. The regulation, adopted in
February 28, 2003, includes a correction made by the USCG. The
correction was included in the Federal Register on November 10, 2003
and amended the regulation to clarify exempt vessels.

We are pleased to announce that U.S. recreational vessels are exempt
from the ANOA requirements.

Envirocare and MIASF received final confirmation this morning from
Captain of the Port Jim Watson that ALL US flagged recreational
vessels are exempt from the Notice of Arrival requirements.

The site goes on to describe in detail the regulations that apply to
foreign vessels entering US waters and the advance notice, etc.,
required.

Has this changed?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:19:35 -0700, Gordon wrote:



Many EU-yachts do not take the risk and burden and wait for better
days. I wanted to sail round Pacific next year, starting Far East, but
wasting so much time with daily reports keeps me away, despite many
friends waiting in Southern California.

Seems Osama Bin Laden has won, US is frightened to death, I am sorry
to say.

Henry

I go to the CBP website and find none of the above. Things are the
same as always. Coming from out of country, you phone customs and they
meet you at a port of entry. They ask a few questions, look at your
papers, and clear you thru. You are then free to go where you please and
only have to report again if you leave the country and then return. Same
as always.
Had a Japanese gentleman arrive in Port Angeles the other day and he
was cleared in about 15 minutes. Took him 51 days to get here from Japan.
Gordon

Gordon,
I am sorry but you are definitely mistaken.

regards
Peter

On Jul 30, 5:19*am, Gordon wrote:

* *I go to the CBP website and find none of the above. Things are the
same as always. Coming from out of country, you phone customs and they
meet you at a port of entry. They ask a few questions, look at your
papers, and clear you thru. You are then free to go where you please and
only have to report again if you leave the country and then return. Same
as always.
* *Had a Japanese gentleman arrive in Port Angeles the other day and he
was cleared in about 15 minutes. Took him 51 days to get here from Japan.
* Gordon

read he
http://www.the-triton.com/megayachtn...x.php?news=827

then he
http://law.justia.com/us/codes/title19/19usc1433.html

TITLE 19--CUSTOMS DUTIES

CHAPTER 4--TARIFF ACT OF 1930

SUBTITLE III--ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS

Part II--Report, Entry, and Unlading of Vessels and Vehicles

Sec. 1433. Report of arrival of vessels, vehicles, and aircraft


(a) Vessel arrival

(1) Immediately upon the arrival at any port or place within the
United States or the Virgin Islands of--
(A) any vessel from a foreign port or place;
(B) any foreign vessel from a domestic port;
(C) any vessel of the United States carrying foreign
merchandise
for which entry has not been made; or
(D) any vessel which has visited a hovering vessel or
received
merchandise while outside the territorial sea;

the master of the vessel shall report the arrival at the nearest
customs
facility or such other place as the Secretary may prescribe by
regulations. .....

Its he (B) any FOREIGN vessel from a DOMESTIC port;
though the original law is from 1930 it is still in use!
Maybe in some areas the officers have much to do and do not care, but
the law is here!

The annoying is not the custom clearance, sailing around the world you
encounter everything, from a few minutes to 2 days, but as a foreign
vessel I MUST report every movement in US, though it might only be a
phone call, I might overlook it in bad weather, lucky, I do not drink,
but when sick? the officer might forget to write it down, sorry this
is my own paranoia, bureaucrats in the whole world never make
mistakes, I know, but the fines are just to high, I am not taking that
risk.

My dream was coming down the West coast, passing Panama, then
following the American Great Loop ( http://www.greatloop.com ) going
up the ICWW, N.Y., Great Lakes then down to New Orleans. Have more
family and friends is US than in Europe, would take more than 2 years,
but must be done in 2x1year or import taxes and duties are to be paid.

But at a reporting scheme as in former Russia or China just scares me.
What happened to a former free country? Why they treat all visitors
the same? Oh not true, I am still lucky to belong to those 30
countries which are better off, we pay less and only need to call, the
rest of the world must report personally. My cruising kitty has no
allowance for this risk, there is something to replace/repair all the
time anyway.

And US yachts are free to roam in EU waters.

Henry

P.S. if anyone can PROOF that my information is wrong, please let me
know, I'd really like to make that trip

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT), blubaju
wrote:

Hello Roger,

well in the US there is a ruling almost as bad and ONLY against
foreign visiting yacht, a ruling that lets you think you ended up in
North Vietnam, China or Russia at cold war days, but it is newly
implemented by Homeland Security.

US-yachts in Europe are entitled for a 18 months stay, the skipper
secured a Schengen Visa and is free to move within all Schengen treaty
countries, generally speaking, that is entire EU without GB (not
exactly, but from a sailors view)

A EU-registered yacht visiting US must report in advance, undergo a
security screening that let's you feel being a criminal AND - and this
is the point - must report at every harbor master wherever she wants
to anchor or dock en route. Even when staying in the same area, every
movement must be reported in advance, the fines are more than heavy, I
read US$ 5.000 for the first offense, doubling for the next.

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2008-02-07-1

Many EU-yachts do not take the risk and burden and wait for better
days. I wanted to sail round Pacific next year, starting Far East, but
wasting so much time with daily reports keeps me away, despite many
friends waiting in Southern California.

Seems Osama Bin Laden has won, US is frightened to death, I am sorry
to say.

Henry

On Jul 25, 7:08*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Bil Hansen" wrote
........*If it had passed, it probably would have been
enforced against visiting yachts because they don't vote.

--
Roger Long

Agreed!!

We spent time and money obtaining 10 year US visas in Madrid before we
found out about the restrictions.

One of our dreams was to sail up the east coast of the US and explore.

The regulations and restrictions as well as the potential stress of
being treated like a suspected criminal changed our plans entirely.

cheers
Peter