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Westerbeke vs Universal diesel
I am looking at 2 Pearson sailboats. One has a Universal model 12 engine &
the other has a Westerbeke 12. Does either engine have a better reputation than the other? Marc |
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Westerbeke vs Universal diesel
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:13:37 -0400, "Marc Beroz"
wrote: I am looking at 2 Pearson sailboats. One has a Universal model 12 engine & the other has a Westerbeke 12. Does either engine have a better reputation than the other? Marc I believe they might be the same as I think Westerbeke bought Universal in the late '80s...so the Universal might be the older engine. Westerbeke is generally considered middle of the road, quality-wise. Everyone likes Volvos until they have to buy a spare part, and Yanmars are currently the default setting, although that may be because so few people do their own diesel maintenance. Anyone past a certain age seems to consider the Perkins 4-108 God's own diesel in terms of reliability and owner-maintainability, but they are getting fairly elderly now, as are the boats in which they burble and shake. R. |
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Westerbeke vs Universal diesel
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:13:37 -0400, "Marc Beroz"
wrote: I am looking at 2 Pearson sailboats. One has a Universal model 12 engine & the other has a Westerbeke 12. Does either engine have a better reputation than the other? Marc I believe they might be the same as I think Westerbeke bought Universal in the late '80s...so the Universal might be the older engine. Westerbeke is generally considered middle of the road, quality-wise. Everyone likes Volvos until they have to buy a spare part, and Yanmars are currently the default setting, although that may be because so few people do their own diesel maintenance. Anyone past a certain age seems to consider the Perkins 4-108 God's own diesel in terms of reliability and owner-maintainability, but they are getting fairly elderly now, as are the boats in which they burble and shake. R. |
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Westerbeke vs Universal diesel
I believe they might be the same as I think Westerbeke bought
Universal in the late '80s...so the Universal might be the older engine. You are correct that Westerbeke and Universal are the same company. There is no reason to suspect that the Universal must be older than the Westerbeke, either trademark can be purchased brand new today. I suspect Westerbeke may run both lines so they can appoint more dealers in crowded markets. Dealer "A" is the "exclusive" Westerbeke dealer, but to keep him hustling and competitive in price they give the same product to Dealer "B" and call it a Universal instead. |
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I believe they might be the same as I think Westerbeke bought
Universal in the late '80s...so the Universal might be the older engine. You are correct that Westerbeke and Universal are the same company. There is no reason to suspect that the Universal must be older than the Westerbeke, either trademark can be purchased brand new today. I suspect Westerbeke may run both lines so they can appoint more dealers in crowded markets. Dealer "A" is the "exclusive" Westerbeke dealer, but to keep him hustling and competitive in price they give the same product to Dealer "B" and call it a Universal instead. |
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rhys wrote: Anyone past a certain age seems to consider the Perkins 4-108 God's own diesel in terms of reliability and owner-maintainability, but they are getting fairly elderly now, as are the boats in which they burble and shake. R. Nothing wrong with a 4-108. I have one that had 40,000 hours on it when it was rebuilt, top and bottom. It now has another 9,000 hours on it and is just hitting it's stride. Complete Rebuild Kit for a 4-108 goes for about $800US. Try getting a rebuild kit for anywhere near that, for any other engine, in the same power range. This is one engine that has staying power for years and years. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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rhys wrote: Anyone past a certain age seems to consider the Perkins 4-108 God's own diesel in terms of reliability and owner-maintainability, but they are getting fairly elderly now, as are the boats in which they burble and shake. R. Nothing wrong with a 4-108. I have one that had 40,000 hours on it when it was rebuilt, top and bottom. It now has another 9,000 hours on it and is just hitting it's stride. Complete Rebuild Kit for a 4-108 goes for about $800US. Try getting a rebuild kit for anywhere near that, for any other engine, in the same power range. This is one engine that has staying power for years and years. Bruce in alaska -- add a 2 before @ |
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Westerbeke vs Universal diesel
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 06:02:40 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:
I believe they might be the same as I think Westerbeke bought Universal in the late '80s...so the Universal might be the older engine. You are correct that Westerbeke and Universal are the same company. There is no reason to suspect that the Universal must be older than the Westerbeke, either trademark can be purchased brand new today. I suspect Westerbeke may run both lines so they can appoint more dealers in crowded markets. Dealer "A" is the "exclusive" Westerbeke dealer, but to keep him hustling and competitive in price they give the same product to Dealer "B" and call it a Universal instead. Although both under the name of "Westerbeke", the Universals are different engines. For instance, the M25XPB (3-cyl, 1.0L, 26hp@3000rpm) that I just put into Far Cove is an updated Universal M25. It says "Universal" on the side, painted a different colour, and the closest equivalent "Westerbeke" is a 30B (3-cyl, .95L, 27hp@3600rpm). DEFINITELY a different engine, in more ways than the colour. Also, at least around here, you get a "Universal" engine from the "Westerbeke" dealer. Kinda like Chev and Pontiac, I guess... Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 |
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