Roger Long wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote

Bush can read?

OK, OK, it was a cheap shot.

Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however,
admitted
on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are
firm
in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is
nothing on
paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are
simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness
that the lord has laid out for you.

Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious.

Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not
getting in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people
needing to believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't
let this go.

For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I
recommend avoiding this link about the actual facts:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm

Stephen

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:43:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
Sort of like the burning of the library at Alexandria by the Moslems.

In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a
great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the
conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions.

The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they
will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or
they will agree with it, so they are superfluous."

These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar
Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about
Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.

Apparently those who refuse to study history ARE doomed to repeat it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Now hang on a minute Bruce.

Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of
the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her
on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the
daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her
chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her
body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it.

It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the
two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are
Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is
revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set
civilisation towards a dark age.

Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and
the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the
only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus
and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death.

I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much
about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient
poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful
as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy.

regards
Peter

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Roger Long wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote

Bush can read?

OK, OK, it was a cheap shot.

Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however,
admitted
on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are
firm
in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is
nothing on
paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are
simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of
righteousness
that the lord has laid out for you.

Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious.

Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not getting
in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people needing to
believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't let this go.

For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I
recommend avoiding this link about the actual facts:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm

Stephen




Like I said, he's just an asshole, not a stupid asshole.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:45:32 +1000, Herodotus
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Now hang on a minute Bruce.

Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of
the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her
on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the
daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her
chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her
body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it.

It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the
two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are
Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is
revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set
civilisation towards a dark age.

Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and
the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the
only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus
and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death.

I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much
about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient
poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful
as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy.

regards
Peter

Sorry, I should have placed Hypatia's name in the second paragraph.
Incredible woman.

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Roger Long wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote

Bush can read?

OK, OK, it was a cheap shot.

Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however,
admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is
right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer,
there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right
decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the
path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you.

Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious.

Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not getting
in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people needing to
believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't let this go.

For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I
recommend avoiding this link:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm

Stephen


Posting the same link yet again?

Check this, but don't let your head explode!

http://www.jibjab.com/view/209630


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:19:23 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:44:30 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:33:22 -0400, wrote:


Iraq I that the country was artificially created and contained several


No, but I think they made a movie about it.....will that do?
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


I have no idea who posted what you erroneously attributed to me above.
Please be a little more careful! Thanks.


Yes, I noticed that this morning. I was replying to someone who asked
it the Lawrence book had pictures and simple captions.

Must have hit the wrong button or this computer is trying to take
over.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:45:32 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:43:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
Sort of like the burning of the library at Alexandria by the Moslems.

In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a
great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the
conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions.

The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they
will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or
they will agree with it, so they are superfluous."

These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar
Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about
Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.

Apparently those who refuse to study history ARE doomed to repeat it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Now hang on a minute Bruce.

Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of
the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her
on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the
daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her
chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her
body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it.

It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the
two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are
Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is
revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set
civilisation towards a dark age.

Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and
the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the
only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus
and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death.

I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much
about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient
poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful
as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy.

regards
Peter


Actually, no one knows who burned the library. the earliest candidate
was Julius Caesar...

Please reread the final paragraph in my post.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:01:47 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:45:32 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:43:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
Sort of like the burning of the library at Alexandria by the Moslems.

In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a
great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the
conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions.

The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they
will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or
they will agree with it, so they are superfluous."

These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar
Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about
Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.

Apparently those who refuse to study history ARE doomed to repeat it.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Now hang on a minute Bruce.

Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of
the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her
on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the
daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her
chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her
body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it.

It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the
two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are
Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is
revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set
civilisation towards a dark age.

Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and
the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the
only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus
and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death.

I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much
about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient
poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful
as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy.

regards
Peter


Actually, no one knows who burned the library. the earliest candidate
was Julius Caesar...

Please reread the final paragraph in my post.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Hi Bruce,

The Romans regarded the library set up by the Ptolemys as one of the
Egyptians treasure to be had, apart from the wealth and the growing of
much needed grain for Rome. They had no cause or desire to destroy it.
Mark Anthony gave the approximate 200,000 volumes of the second best
library in the world (Library of Congress didn't even rate) - that of
Pergamon, to Cleopatra along with the island of Cyprus as a wedding
present. From what I understand, Julius set it alight in error.

As for the supposed burning by the Moslem conqueror, most historians
agree that it is fictional. You may not be aware of the texts but
there are specific injunctions in the Koran to learn to read and read
as well as to seek knowledge. Learning and knowledge were respected
and admired. Besides, by that time, the library and its books had
largely ceased to exist unfortunately.

I have been to the sites of both the Alexandrian library - not much
there now but a basement; and the library of Pergamon at modern day
Bergama in Anatolia. To me it was like a Catholic being in the
Vatican. A very religious moment. It was like a pilgrimage. I parked
the car at the bottom of the very high hill the citadel was on and
walked all the way instead of driving. BTW, Galen, another Greek
ancestor of mine - I only claim the famous ones, the harbour whores
belong to someone else - taught in the famous medical clinic and spa
there - largely intact today and well worth a visit.

Not much hope for the Library of Congress and the great libraries of
the Universities if the conservative religious right get in is there?
Ever seen a text book with Intelligent Design as its theme. Pretty
scarey stuff. The one I saw would have been very convincing to minds
of believers, impressionable children and simple minds like your
president. I'm going to hide all my science books now and change my
subscription name details to New Scientist and Scientific American.

As you say, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat
it. Woodrow Wilson once said that what we learn from history is that
we don't learn from history - and he was a history professor.

Peter

On Jul 21, 5:31*pm, Herodotus wrote:
... I'm going to hide all my science books now and change my
subscription name details to New Scientist and Scientific American.

I first saw a copy of "New Scientist" in the laundry room at the Opua
Marina in New Zealand in 01'. I thought "'New Scientist', eh, that
will be some kind of touchy-feely new age thing, but it should amuse
me while the clothing spins." Little did I know. I've been a
subscriber every since. They go to my brother's house and one of the
joys of home port is the knowledge that there will be a stack of them
waiting for me.

-- Tom.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:57:45 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Jul 21, 5:31*pm, Herodotus wrote:
... I'm going to hide all my science books now and change my
subscription name details to New Scientist and Scientific American.

I first saw a copy of "New Scientist" in the laundry room at the Opua
Marina in New Zealand in 01'. I thought "'New Scientist', eh, that
will be some kind of touchy-feely new age thing, but it should amuse
me while the clothing spins." Little did I know. I've been a
subscriber every since. They go to my brother's house and one of the
joys of home port is the knowledge that there will be a stack of them
waiting for me.

-- Tom.

Yes Tom, its a great magazine. It is not a technical as "Scientific
American" which I have subscribed to since university days. It makes
difficult subjects simple to understand without losing any of the
essential parts.

What I like is that when I am away from home I can just logon on the
web and read the articles anywhere. Nothing like the mental stimulus
and keeping up with developments whilst anchored in a foreign port.

regards
Peter