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Advice on refridgeration unit please
Herodotus wrote in
: http://www.isotherm.com/en/product?f...1254FirefoxHTM LShellOpenCommand I've got a fridge in my truck about the size of a Cruise 85 running off the shop inverter. It's made in Korea and cost $US89 from Home Depot on sale in January of '06. What attracted me was the can dispensing rack in the door. Has a tiny freezer that's near worthless but could keep some meat solid. Ice trays freeze really fast. What the hell makes a BOAT fridge the same size cost 10 times the price, the $60 inverter screwed into the case? What a rip.....boat crap! Stop by. I have another one in the house....holding the Heineken's minikeg to just the right temperature, right next to the computer desk....(c; |
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Advice on refridgeration unit please
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:01:40 +0000, Larry wrote:
Herodotus wrote in : http://www.isotherm.com/en/product?f...1254FirefoxHTM LShellOpenCommand I've got a fridge in my truck about the size of a Cruise 85 running off the shop inverter. It's made in Korea and cost $US89 from Home Depot on sale in January of '06. What attracted me was the can dispensing rack in the door. Has a tiny freezer that's near worthless but could keep some meat solid. Ice trays freeze really fast. What the hell makes a BOAT fridge the same size cost 10 times the price, the $60 inverter screwed into the case? What a rip.....boat crap! Stop by. I have another one in the house....holding the Heineken's minikeg to just the right temperature, right next to the computer desk....(c; Larry, Larry, you just don;t understand. You see cheap Korean fridges are sold by some bloke at Home Depot while proper YACHTING gear is sold by gentlemen wearing white pants and those funny shoes with all the squiggly cuts in the soles. Obviously anything sold by a white pants salesman has got to be the correct type of thing that a fellow would want on his boat whereas one would rather be dead then to have the chaps know that he had a (Ug!) Home Depot device aboard. Besides, we were talking about built in fridges :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: Obviously anything sold by a white pants salesman has got to be the correct type of thing that a fellow would want on his boat whereas one would rather be dead then to have the chaps know that he had a (Ug!) Home Depot device aboard. Oh, I see....(c; I'm trying my best to buy a new Smart CDi diesel car to replace my aging fleet of old Mercedes diesels, and still maintain my energy independence with another diesel. They don't import them into the USA because the President and his cronies are all oil company executives who puke when someone tries to import a car that uses 3.3 litres/100km and has the lowest carbon footprint on the planet, including electric cars if you consider power plant emissions. The arrogant *******s at the local Smart Dealer, Baker Motors, didn't like me parking my old stepvan out front or my wearing T-shirt/blue jeans into the showroom that has NO SMART CARS FOR SALE! I laid out $15,000 in $100 bills fanned them out on the desk and said, "I'd like a Smart For 2 CDi with just an air conditioner installed, please." NO GO. They would make me a deal on a new Maybach they're stuck with, now that Maybach is going out of production, however....(c; I bundled my cash back up but they did take my name and number...finally. Noone wants to sell me a new car! I can't believe it! |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:24:04 +0000, Larry wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in : Obviously anything sold by a white pants salesman has got to be the correct type of thing that a fellow would want on his boat whereas one would rather be dead then to have the chaps know that he had a (Ug!) Home Depot device aboard. Oh, I see....(c; I'm trying my best to buy a new Smart CDi diesel car to replace my aging fleet of old Mercedes diesels, and still maintain my energy independence with another diesel. They don't import them into the USA because the President and his cronies are all oil company executives who puke when someone tries to import a car that uses 3.3 litres/100km and has the lowest carbon footprint on the planet, including electric cars if you consider power plant emissions. The arrogant *******s at the local Smart Dealer, Baker Motors, didn't like me parking my old stepvan out front or my wearing T-shirt/blue jeans into the showroom that has NO SMART CARS FOR SALE! I laid out $15,000 in $100 bills fanned them out on the desk and said, "I'd like a Smart For 2 CDi with just an air conditioner installed, please." NO GO. They would make me a deal on a new Maybach they're stuck with, now that Maybach is going out of production, however....(c; I bundled my cash back up but they did take my name and number...finally. Noone wants to sell me a new car! I can't believe it! I suppose I'm out of touch but what is a "Smart CDi diesel car"? A maker called "Smart" or does that refer to the engine controls? I ask as all the newer diesel pickups made in Thailand have computer controlled injection these days. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Advice on refridgeration unit please
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: I suppose I'm out of touch but what is a "Smart CDi diesel car"? A maker called "Smart" or does that refer to the engine controls? I ask as all the newer diesel pickups made in Thailand have computer controlled injection these days. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VAXWrNojlw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJICDGT8G5A This guy had the camera strapped to the steering wheel...(c; http://www.smartplanet.com/news/tran...fortwo-diesel- coming-to-britain-in-2009.htm 640 miles on 33l of petrol....and it's really FUN to drive! Diesel Smart isn't coming to the USA because it gets too much mileage for our oil company politicians to stomach. The dealer here says maybe in 2010. Canada has them now. I want the basic model in bright yellow with 3-cyl diesel I can run on my successful used vegoil/mineral spirit blend like my other vehicles, except the Honda Reflex scooter of course. Gas cars I have no use for. A dealer in New Brunswick said he'd have one all polished up and licensed in NB when I arrived with the US cash. "We love American dollars in New Brunswick!", he said to me. If I drive it 500 miles inside Canada before coming home in it, I get to play the old European delivery game Mercedes Benz has played for decades....buy the car and fly to Germany to drive it around Europe then fly it home on Lufthansa's special plane as a used Benz for lots less tariff ripoff than new. It would be a great trip in the little car, a real vacation. I'd stop by my old hometown in upstate NY and visit some old mates I haven't seen in 30 years on the way back. I have an uncle in Manheim, PA, who is still alive. He'd love to put me up for a few days rest....(c; 33l/100km and only 66gm/km carbon, the lowest carbon footprint on the planet. The trip back would be quite cheap...even at $5/gallon for #2 fuel oil! |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:06:49 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:01:40 +0000, Larry wrote: Herodotus wrote in m: http://www.isotherm.com/en/product?f...1254FirefoxHTM LShellOpenCommand I've got a fridge in my truck about the size of a Cruise 85 running off the shop inverter. It's made in Korea and cost $US89 from Home Depot on sale in January of '06. What attracted me was the can dispensing rack in the door. Has a tiny freezer that's near worthless but could keep some meat solid. Ice trays freeze really fast. What the hell makes a BOAT fridge the same size cost 10 times the price, the $60 inverter screwed into the case? What a rip.....boat crap! Stop by. I have another one in the house....holding the Heineken's minikeg to just the right temperature, right next to the computer desk....(c; Larry, Larry, you just don;t understand. You see cheap Korean fridges are sold by some bloke at Home Depot while proper YACHTING gear is sold by gentlemen wearing white pants and those funny shoes with all the squiggly cuts in the soles. Obviously anything sold by a white pants salesman has got to be the correct type of thing that a fellow would want on his boat whereas one would rather be dead then to have the chaps know that he had a (Ug!) Home Depot device aboard. Besides, we were talking about built in fridges :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Larry, Bruce, Gentlemen (My God! I have to lie sometimes to get what i want) It does seem to me to be a lot of money to pay for the systems that are sold. The problem is that I have a great wind generator (another that can be added if necessary) an 80 watt solar panel (and will get another) as well as a smart charge system for my 120 AMP alternator. I have 4 Trojan 6 volt batteries in parallel and series - 440 Amp hours. If necessary I could get another 2 of these but at the moment don't think I need them. I really want a system that will work well with minimal charging of `the batteries by the alternator. I don't want one that I have to run the motor for an hour each day just to run a fridge. I have noticed that often the wind generator tops up the batteries and then feathers. I hate to see potential charging going to waste especially if the wind and sun fizzle out later in the day. I am normally seldom moored to a dock and thus shore electricity is not a factor. (BTW Herodotus isn't tethered either - in case either of you make a smart arsed comment regarding my English useage). The idea of a holding plate is that I could utilise periods of greater charge whereas a conventional fridge runs off and on over the entire day. I do wonder why these systems are so expensive though. I can think of a lot of things I could do with the dollars. Do you know if I can just buy the components separately or is there something wrong with my logic? BTW Bruce, I am due in KL on next Thursday night Inshahallah. Are you still at Phuket? Apart from Penang, I am also visiting KL (Pelabuhan Klang), Johor Baru, Singapore and Karimun and Medan in Sumatera. I would love to make time to meet with you If I can. Don't worry. I shall speak and listen slowly and can understand dull, boring, tedious Southern drawl if required. I do appreciate both of your advice and your help. regards Peter |
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Advice on refridgeration unit please
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:14:20 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:06:49 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:01:40 +0000, Larry wrote: Herodotus wrote in : http://www.isotherm.com/en/product?f...1254FirefoxHTM LShellOpenCommand I've got a fridge in my truck about the size of a Cruise 85 running off the shop inverter. It's made in Korea and cost $US89 from Home Depot on sale in January of '06. What attracted me was the can dispensing rack in the door. Has a tiny freezer that's near worthless but could keep some meat solid. Ice trays freeze really fast. What the hell makes a BOAT fridge the same size cost 10 times the price, the $60 inverter screwed into the case? What a rip.....boat crap! Stop by. I have another one in the house....holding the Heineken's minikeg to just the right temperature, right next to the computer desk....(c; Larry, Larry, you just don;t understand. You see cheap Korean fridges are sold by some bloke at Home Depot while proper YACHTING gear is sold by gentlemen wearing white pants and those funny shoes with all the squiggly cuts in the soles. Obviously anything sold by a white pants salesman has got to be the correct type of thing that a fellow would want on his boat whereas one would rather be dead then to have the chaps know that he had a (Ug!) Home Depot device aboard. Besides, we were talking about built in fridges :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Larry, Bruce, Gentlemen (My God! I have to lie sometimes to get what i want) It does seem to me to be a lot of money to pay for the systems that are sold. The problem is that I have a great wind generator (another that can be added if necessary) an 80 watt solar panel (and will get another) as well as a smart charge system for my 120 AMP alternator. I have 4 Trojan 6 volt batteries in parallel and series - 440 Amp hours. If necessary I could get another 2 of these but at the moment don't think I need them. I really want a system that will work well with minimal charging of `the batteries by the alternator. I don't want one that I have to run the motor for an hour each day just to run a fridge. I have noticed that often the wind generator tops up the batteries and then feathers. I hate to see potential charging going to waste especially if the wind and sun fizzle out later in the day. Well, first of all you need a "Larry Lesson" on how batteries charge as your 110 amp alternator is just a waste of money. Secondly, I have three 42.7 watt, old, solar panels and, God willing the sun shines every day, they will keep MY 440 AH battery bank charged and run my old 12 volt built in fridge. (providing I don't turn on a light very often). If you are going to hang about in Oz you may have enough wind to make your wind generator useful but if you move up to Pinang they don't work as well :-) Apparently they become indolent once they arrive in Malaysia. Now, there is a guy down the jetty that I just talked to, has a new eutectic, built in, powered by a 12/220 volt compressor and tells me that if the fridge is operated correctly (runs all the time; keep ice on the plate; keep the fridge full; etc.) he gets buy with two solar panels. I will get some details, panels, fridge model, etc., and let you know as it sounds like what you want. I am normally seldom moored to a dock and thus shore electricity is not a factor. (BTW Herodotus isn't tethered either - in case either of you make a smart arsed comment regarding my English useage). What smartass? Moored - "hitched to a dock" We usually say "tied up" where I come from, though. The idea of a holding plate is that I could utilise periods of greater charge whereas a conventional fridge runs off and on over the entire day. I do wonder why these systems are so expensive though. I can think of a lot of things I could do with the dollars. Now, now. To quote John D. Rockefeller, "If you have to ask how much you can't afford one" :-) Do you know if I can just buy the components separately or is there something wrong with my logic? If you get into seriously thinking of building a system I can probably pick Stephan's brains for what, where and how much. It probably wouldn't be cost effective to have him build the system as he is oriented toward the high end of the market but he is a pretty friendly guy and would probably tell me where he gets parts. If you are thinking of building your own system beg, borrow or steal a copy of the book by Nigal Calder "Refrigeration for Pleasure Boats: Installation, Maintenance and Repair" as it has all the calculations to plan insulation thickness, plate size, heat exchanger specs - everything you wanted to know and more. Well worth the price. BTW Bruce, I am due in KL on next Thursday night Inshahallah. Are you still at Phuket? Apart from Penang, I am also visiting KL (Pelabuhan Klang), Johor Baru, Singapore and Karimun and Medan in Sumatera. I would love to make time to meet with you If I can. Don't worry. I shall speak and listen slowly and can understand dull, boring, tedious Southern drawl if required. Can't make it this trip. I'm just out of the Yard and haven't even been able to scrape the yard dirt off because it has been raining so hard. As soon as I get that done I'm off to Bangkok for a couple of weeks to my wife. Have to be next trip. I do appreciate both of your advice and your help. regards Peter Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: Well, first of all you need a "Larry Lesson" on how batteries charge as your 110 amp alternator is just a waste of money. No, no! Everyone knows a boat battery can be charged in 3 minutes if you buy a big enough alternator! Don't let logic, battery chemistry and me upset it. |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:42:40 +0000, Larry wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in : Well, first of all you need a "Larry Lesson" on how batteries charge as your 110 amp alternator is just a waste of money. No, no! Everyone knows a boat battery can be charged in 3 minutes if you buy a big enough alternator! Don't let logic, battery chemistry and me upset it. I had a 1988 mustang ragtop that had about ten interior lights and a small battery. If you left a door slightly ajar, the battery would be completely, 0 volts, dead in 45 minutes or so. A ten amp charger would put in enough juice to start it in ten seconds. Then comes the charge from zero at the maximum rate. Needless to say, that battery didn't last long. Casady |
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On Jul 18, 8:42*am, Larry wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote : Well, first of all you need a "Larry Lesson" on how batteries charge as your 110 amp alternator is just a waste of money. No, no! *Everyone knows a boat battery can be charged in 3 minutes if you buy a big enough alternator! Don't let logic, battery chemistry and me upset it. In practice high output alternators make a big difference getting up to about 80% charge. That can be very, very useful. It may be that you have some logic and battery chemistry in your text books but I live on my boat and go voyaging a bit. High output alternators are a good thing. Bummer about the Smart Car. AFIK, they aren't importing the diesel version because in CA you can't buy diesel cars w/less than 7k miles on them. As they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions... But, what you really want is a diesel plug in hybrid... -- Tom. |
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