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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:19:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0000, Larry wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in areasolutions: So, we should just go for it? Just because someone else is doing something wrong does not give us license to do something wrong. - We Americans stopped using R-12, by law, years ago. The ozone hole over ANTARCTICA on the OTHER end of the planet has gotten LARGER because it's caused by SOLAR ACTIVITY, not humans who are the most insignificant speck in the astronomical size of everything else. I bet of we bring back R-12 (and drop the price from $10/12oz back to 68c/16oz) the ozone hole over Antarctica will go on doing exactly whatit has been doing for a few million years before Americans were invented to blame it on.....the natural patsies. Hell, it wasn't the R12 anyway. It was hair spray. --Vic There you go. This shows that the Islamic and Buddhist religions are far greener than is Christianity. Islam recommends that women cover their hair - no need for hair spray then, and Buddhist priests and nuns shave their hair - nothing to spray. Perhaps the world might be saved or at least the ozone layer healed if you all converted to one of the two. Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are probably an improvement but Wilbur...... No, we'll let the Buddhists have him. Just a bizarre thought, Peter |
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No Bruce. That is NOT the word. Go wash your mouth out with soap. The word I intended was 'Aunt" You have a seweratious mind. cheers Peter My God. I have exposed my dumbness. I got the punch-line wrong. The word is "talk' |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:22 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:21:05 -0700, Gordon wrote: Bruce in Bangkok wrote: This is one of the points that really makes me wonder about how sensible the current U.S. Government is. I, just a guy who reads, with no mammoth CIA/NSA/Whatever to do my research knew long before even Iraq I that the country was artificially created and contained several groups that hated each other and probably was ungovernable by any other means then brute force (much like Yugoslavia) and once the strong central government fell there would be chaos. And, surprise, surprise, I was right. But, and this is my point, if I could figure this out why couldn't the whole U.S. Government with their mammoth intelligence gathering and analyzing capability figure it out? And if they could figure it out then what are they doing there? And don't talk about "control of the oil" as that is just B.S. The existing Iraqi oil fields are all produced by joint ventures with European companies - Italian and French if memory serves. Rant OFF Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Too bad Bush never read T E Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". He might have thought twice, but then again probably not. All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible. - T.E. LAWRENCE G Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) My God, I am enjoying this thread! |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:19:23 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0000, Larry wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in yareasolutions: So, we should just go for it? Just because someone else is doing something wrong does not give us license to do something wrong. - We Americans stopped using R-12, by law, years ago. The ozone hole over ANTARCTICA on the OTHER end of the planet has gotten LARGER because it's caused by SOLAR ACTIVITY, not humans who are the most insignificant speck in the astronomical size of everything else. I bet of we bring back R-12 (and drop the price from $10/12oz back to 68c/16oz) the ozone hole over Antarctica will go on doing exactly whatit has been doing for a few million years before Americans were invented to blame it on.....the natural patsies. Hell, it wasn't the R12 anyway. It was hair spray. --Vic There you go. This shows that the Islamic and Buddhist religions are far greener than is Christianity. Islam recommends that women cover their hair - no need for hair spray then, and Buddhist priests and nuns shave their hair - nothing to spray. Perhaps the world might be saved or at least the ozone layer healed if you all converted to one of the two. Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are probably an improvement but Wilbur...... No, we'll let the Buddhists have him. Just a bizarre thought, Peter Actually the Moslems were johnny-come-lately as the orthodox jewish women wear a wig and then cover the wig with a handkerchief or scarf or hat. Double protection.:-) If I were nobility it would be Bruce na Bangkok similar to the old EU titles, William de Brittany, etc., but since I'm just a common sort of chap it is just Bruce... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:59 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: Because the Administration had an agenda that didn't have anything to do with reality. I agree but WHAT was the agenda? It was well laid out ad infinitum in the U.S. news media - who were willing, unquestioning and ass-kissing promulgators - by GWB and his neocon spokesmen for a year leading up to the invasion of Iraq. They repeatedly espoused the following beliefs, which can be viewed as their "agenda." 1. Saddam Hussein had WMD (emphasis on nukes.) 2. Saddam was at the very least in collusion with Al Qeada - or however you wish to spell Bin Laden's operation, and might supply them with WMD. 4. Saddam was a bad guy anyway, so that's a bonus. 3. The Great U.S.A, in the name of humanity would engage in a one-month war in Iraq, kill the "bad guys," thereby "protecting America," be greeted by the grateful formerly subjugated citizens carrying flowers of appreciation, install the first Democracy in Arabia, which would then move its angelic wings over the blazing sands of the Mideast, stirring the zephyrs of....... 4. Peace in our time. 5. BTW, it wouldn't cost a cent. Iraqi oil would pay for it. Will you please contain yourself? It's not *that* funny. Ironically, because it gives some credence to the far-ranging musings of Larry's "suspicious mind," these ideas were most vociferously promulgated here on the various news talk shows by the Jewish neocons Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Frank Gaffney. Another neocon Jew, David Frum, wrote GWB's axis of evil speech, and yet two others, editorialists Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. led the charge from the fifth estate. To top it off, Wolfowitz, when he and the others had been thoroughly discredited by events in Iraq, was nominated by GWB to head The World Bank! His ethics were tested there. He flunked yet again. But it does bring the "New World Order" into play. Personally, I don't much believe in conspiracies. There are so many Jews in prominent positions running around here it would make your head spin trying to link them up. Besides, most Jews are probably commies. No, it was just a bunch of stupid men overestimating their own intelligence and perceptions. An arrogant and stupid lot. 9/11 set them in motion, and it was Bin Laden who gave GWB the opportunity to free these fools from their restraints. I do believe these guys brainwashed GWB, as his mind isn't very robust. He's already forgotten his promise to get Bin Laden. I think I have seen Perle and Gaffney once each on TV since it became evident what fools they are. They never appeared again as far as I know, probably because the networks received thousands of complaints at seeing them show up to assault the senses once again. In any case that's my view of the "agenda," a trifle expanded. You can thank your lucky stars you aren't exposed to American cable TV, and had to ask! --Vic .. |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:59:32 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are probably an improvement but Wilbur...... No, we'll let the Buddhists have him. Just a bizarre thought, Peter Actually the Moslems were johnny-come-lately as the orthodox jewish women wear a wig and then cover the wig with a handkerchief or scarf or hat. Double protection.:-) If I were nobility it would be Bruce na Bangkok similar to the old EU titles, William de Brittany, etc., but since I'm just a common sort of chap it is just Bruce... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Asalaam Brother Yes, the truly Orthodox ones used to shave their hair before donning ill fitting wigs. I had a childhood friend whose grandmother wore one. Frankly, she looked rather frightening with it. I am rather certain that it is a Hasidic custom and think that perhaps it was originally initiated to make their women look less attractive to the surrounding non-Jewish men - pogroms being as random and as frequent as they were in Europe. I have never seen any Sephardic Jewish women in Gibraltar, Morocco Yemen, Egypt or Istanbul with wigs. I don't wish to appear patronising but you seem to have a wealth of knowledge for a non-Jew. cheers Peter |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are probably an improvement but Wilbur...... I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress. --Vic |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote
Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. -- Roger Long |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:31:07 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:59 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Because the Administration had an agenda that didn't have anything to do with reality. I agree but WHAT was the agenda? It was well laid out ad infinitum in the U.S. news media - who were willing, unquestioning and ass-kissing promulgators - by GWB and his neocon spokesmen for a year leading up to the invasion of Iraq. They repeatedly espoused the following beliefs, which can be viewed as their "agenda." 1. Saddam Hussein had WMD (emphasis on nukes.) 2. Saddam was at the very least in collusion with Al Qeada - or however you wish to spell Bin Laden's operation, and might supply them with WMD. 4. Saddam was a bad guy anyway, so that's a bonus. 3. The Great U.S.A, in the name of humanity would engage in a one-month war in Iraq, kill the "bad guys," thereby "protecting America," be greeted by the grateful formerly subjugated citizens carrying flowers of appreciation, install the first Democracy in Arabia, which would then move its angelic wings over the blazing sands of the Mideast, stirring the zephyrs of....... 4. Peace in our time. 5. BTW, it wouldn't cost a cent. Iraqi oil would pay for it. Will you please contain yourself? It's not *that* funny. Ironically, because it gives some credence to the far-ranging musings of Larry's "suspicious mind," these ideas were most vociferously promulgated here on the various news talk shows by the Jewish neocons Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Frank Gaffney. Another neocon Jew, David Frum, wrote GWB's axis of evil speech, and yet two others, editorialists Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. led the charge from the fifth estate. To top it off, Wolfowitz, when he and the others had been thoroughly discredited by events in Iraq, was nominated by GWB to head The World Bank! His ethics were tested there. He flunked yet again. But it does bring the "New World Order" into play. Personally, I don't much believe in conspiracies. There are so many Jews in prominent positions running around here it would make your head spin trying to link them up. Besides, most Jews are probably commies. No, it was just a bunch of stupid men overestimating their own intelligence and perceptions. An arrogant and stupid lot. 9/11 set them in motion, and it was Bin Laden who gave GWB the opportunity to free these fools from their restraints. I do believe these guys brainwashed GWB, as his mind isn't very robust. He's already forgotten his promise to get Bin Laden. I think I have seen Perle and Gaffney once each on TV since it became evident what fools they are. They never appeared again as far as I know, probably because the networks received thousands of complaints at seeing them show up to assault the senses once again. In any case that's my view of the "agenda," a trifle expanded. You can thank your lucky stars you aren't exposed to American cable TV, and had to ask! --Vic Very well put Vic. |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:51:14 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus wrote: Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are probably an improvement but Wilbur...... I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress. --Vic Love the retort! That's Ok Vic. So long as you cover your knees, long shorts or trousers will be adequate at prayer. Peace be with you Brother Ibn Smith I think that Larry is quiet on the matter due to shock. Asalaam My God, this has gotten way off topic. Does anyone recall my plea for help on fridges? |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:51:59 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. Sort of like the burning of the library at Alexandria by the Moslems. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebrĉus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation. Apparently those who refuse to study history ARE doomed to repeat it. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:31:07 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:59 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Because the Administration had an agenda that didn't have anything to do with reality. I agree but WHAT was the agenda? It was well laid out ad infinitum in the U.S. news media - who were willing, unquestioning and ass-kissing promulgators - by GWB and his neocon spokesmen for a year leading up to the invasion of Iraq. They repeatedly espoused the following beliefs, which can be viewed as their "agenda." 1. Saddam Hussein had WMD (emphasis on nukes.) 2. Saddam was at the very least in collusion with Al Qeada - or however you wish to spell Bin Laden's operation, and might supply them with WMD. 4. Saddam was a bad guy anyway, so that's a bonus. 3. The Great U.S.A, in the name of humanity would engage in a one-month war in Iraq, kill the "bad guys," thereby "protecting America," be greeted by the grateful formerly subjugated citizens carrying flowers of appreciation, install the first Democracy in Arabia, which would then move its angelic wings over the blazing sands of the Mideast, stirring the zephyrs of....... 4. Peace in our time. 5. BTW, it wouldn't cost a cent. Iraqi oil would pay for it. Will you please contain yourself? It's not *that* funny. Ironically, because it gives some credence to the far-ranging musings of Larry's "suspicious mind," these ideas were most vociferously promulgated here on the various news talk shows by the Jewish neocons Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Frank Gaffney. Another neocon Jew, David Frum, wrote GWB's axis of evil speech, and yet two others, editorialists Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. led the charge from the fifth estate. To top it off, Wolfowitz, when he and the others had been thoroughly discredited by events in Iraq, was nominated by GWB to head The World Bank! His ethics were tested there. He flunked yet again. But it does bring the "New World Order" into play. Personally, I don't much believe in conspiracies. There are so many Jews in prominent positions running around here it would make your head spin trying to link them up. Besides, most Jews are probably commies. No, it was just a bunch of stupid men overestimating their own intelligence and perceptions. An arrogant and stupid lot. 9/11 set them in motion, and it was Bin Laden who gave GWB the opportunity to free these fools from their restraints. I do believe these guys brainwashed GWB, as his mind isn't very robust. He's already forgotten his promise to get Bin Laden. I think I have seen Perle and Gaffney once each on TV since it became evident what fools they are. They never appeared again as far as I know, probably because the networks received thousands of complaints at seeing them show up to assault the senses once again. In any case that's my view of the "agenda," a trifle expanded. You can thank your lucky stars you aren't exposed to American cable TV, and had to ask! --Vic And people ask me, "don't you ever go back to the States?" Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Roger Long wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not getting in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people needing to believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't let this go. For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I recommend avoiding this link: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm Stephen |
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Roger Long wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not getting in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people needing to believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't let this go. For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I recommend avoiding this link: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm Stephen |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:21:05 -0700, Gordon wrote: Bruce in Bangkok wrote: This is one of the points that really makes me wonder about how sensible the current U.S. Government is. I, just a guy who reads, with no mammoth CIA/NSA/Whatever to do my research knew long before even Iraq I that the country was artificially created and contained several groups that hated each other and probably was ungovernable by any other means then brute force (much like Yugoslavia) and once the strong central government fell there would be chaos. And, surprise, surprise, I was right. But, and this is my point, if I could figure this out why couldn't the whole U.S. Government with their mammoth intelligence gathering and analyzing capability figure it out? And if they could figure it out then what are they doing there? And don't talk about "control of the oil" as that is just B.S. The existing Iraqi oil fields are all produced by joint ventures with European companies - Italian and French if memory serves. Rant OFF Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Too bad Bush never read T E Lawrence's "Seven Pillars of Wisdom". He might have thought twice, but then again probably not. "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." - T.E. LAWRENCE G Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) He's no dummy. He just doesn't give a sh*t. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message
... "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. -- Roger Long It isn't, unfortunately. The admission was part of a very carefully set of plans to appeal to the middle/lower class white, religious voter. He also "adapted" the word nuculer to fit with the beer-buddy image. Careful, this is from someone in Bezerkeley. http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~...g/nucular.html -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:27:54 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:44:34 +1000, Herodotus wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:42:41 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message om... On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:19:52 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message .253... Bruce in Bangkok wrote in : Since here in Thailand, and probably all over the third world, they are happily using R-12, and dumping it to atmosphere it probably goes to prove that the Americans were responsible. Not to mention the extensive air pollution controls on all those thousands of 2-stroke little trucks running old motor oil at 15:1 premix.... It's those damned Americans....every time. They love to be blamed. So, we should just go for it? Just because someone else is doing something wrong does not give us license to do something wrong. Then what are you doing in Iraq? Sorry the temptation overcame me. It's a great temptation to lump all Americans with Bu****, so I forgive you! I find it ironic.. the "surge" is working by driving the terrorists to Afganistan. If we had gone after them in that place first... sigh, you're right it's tempting. I must have missed something. Have they found oil in Afghanistan? I for one am interested in the outcome as historically nobody from outside has managed to completely conquer and rule that country from Alexander, the British, to the Russians. If you have ever experienced the tribal nature of most of its citizens you would understand more the difficulties. Xenophobia is in the genes. Peter This is one of the points that really makes me wonder about how sensible the current U.S. Government is. I, just a guy who reads, with no mammoth CIA/NSA/Whatever to do my research knew long before even Iraq I that the country was artificially created and contained several groups that hated each other and probably was ungovernable by any other means then brute force (much like Yugoslavia) and once the strong central government fell there would be chaos. And, surprise, surprise, I was right. But, and this is my point, if I could figure this out why couldn't the whole U.S. Government with their mammoth intelligence gathering and analyzing capability figure it out? And if they could figure it out then what are they doing there? And don't talk about "control of the oil" as that is just B.S. The existing Iraqi oil fields are all produced by joint ventures with European companies - Italian and French if memory serves. Rant OFF Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Because the Administration had an agenda that didn't have anything to do with reality. I agree but WHAT was the agenda? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Big oil and the neo-con free-market philosophy of the Univ. of Chicago, ala Milton Friedman. http://www.time.com/time/arts/articl...666221,00.html Don't think Obama is immune from this kind of thinking. It's hard to get away from economic tricksterism masquerading as "free market" capitalism. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:19:59 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Because the Administration had an agenda that didn't have anything to do with reality. I agree but WHAT was the agenda? It was well laid out ad infinitum in the U.S. news media - who were willing, unquestioning and ass-kissing promulgators - by GWB and his neocon spokesmen for a year leading up to the invasion of Iraq. They repeatedly espoused the following beliefs, which can be viewed as their "agenda." 1. Saddam Hussein had WMD (emphasis on nukes.) 2. Saddam was at the very least in collusion with Al Qeada - or however you wish to spell Bin Laden's operation, and might supply them with WMD. 4. Saddam was a bad guy anyway, so that's a bonus. 3. The Great U.S.A, in the name of humanity would engage in a one-month war in Iraq, kill the "bad guys," thereby "protecting America," be greeted by the grateful formerly subjugated citizens carrying flowers of appreciation, install the first Democracy in Arabia, which would then move its angelic wings over the blazing sands of the Mideast, stirring the zephyrs of....... 4. Peace in our time. 5. BTW, it wouldn't cost a cent. Iraqi oil would pay for it. Will you please contain yourself? It's not *that* funny. Ironically, because it gives some credence to the far-ranging musings of Larry's "suspicious mind," these ideas were most vociferously promulgated here on the various news talk shows by the Jewish neocons Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Frank Gaffney. Another neocon Jew, David Frum, wrote GWB's axis of evil speech, and yet two others, editorialists Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer. led the charge from the fifth estate. To top it off, Wolfowitz, when he and the others had been thoroughly discredited by events in Iraq, was nominated by GWB to head The World Bank! His ethics were tested there. He flunked yet again. But it does bring the "New World Order" into play. Personally, I don't much believe in conspiracies. There are so many Jews in prominent positions running around here it would make your head spin trying to link them up. Besides, most Jews are probably commies. No, it was just a bunch of stupid men overestimating their own intelligence and perceptions. An arrogant and stupid lot. 9/11 set them in motion, and it was Bin Laden who gave GWB the opportunity to free these fools from their restraints. I do believe these guys brainwashed GWB, as his mind isn't very robust. He's already forgotten his promise to get Bin Laden. I think I have seen Perle and Gaffney once each on TV since it became evident what fools they are. They never appeared again as far as I know, probably because the networks received thousands of complaints at seeing them show up to assault the senses once again. In any case that's my view of the "agenda," a trifle expanded. You can thank your lucky stars you aren't exposed to American cable TV, and had to ask! --Vic Partially true. See my other post. Bush is arrogant. Cheney is very, very smart. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus wrote: Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are probably an improvement but Wilbur...... I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress. --Vic That's what Milton Berle said... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:06:51 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress. Altar boy? Choir boy? Priest? Bishop? How do those jobs pay? Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:06:51 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress. Altar boy? Choir boy? Priest? Bishop? How do those jobs pay? Casady Why do you want to know? LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:22:30 -0500, Brian Whatcott
wrote: Larry is possibly supposing that the 50 ampere hours you are charging with will show up as 2.4 kW of heat - but he will remember that most of that energy goes to electrochemical storage. Still, give a person credit for gun-shyness from a battery fast-charge accident! I read that the round trip efficiency of juice into then out of, a lead battery is something like three quarters. So perhaps1/8 of the power shows up as battery heat during charging. Something like that. Hydrogen creation takes about 52 000 BTU per pound.[reaches for Calculator That Takes No Prisoners] or 55 Mj or 15 Kwhr. More than 1000 Ampere hours per pound of H2. A non heat place for power to be wasted. Casady |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:04:44 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: Partially true. See my other post. Bush is arrogant. Cheney is very, very smart. They're both snakes. Nothing really to do with brains. The rest I mentioned might actually have some deeply felt beliefs, misguided as they are. Even the worse despots have their own kind of "faith." It is not always easy to separate faith from ulterior motives such as greed, and power lust. I was pointing out the process of their Iraq war propaganda campaign, which had at least elements of what *could* be truth, as good propaganda requires. I saw the author in your link interviewed by Charley Rose and had already come to most of her conclusions, which she expressed well. Lou Dobbs has been preaching the same screed for years in his way, and in his own fashion so has Pat Buchanan. As you mentioned, Obama (and of course McCain) suffer from the same globalism malady. The solution to all that is Nationalism, or "America First" if you will, something neither the left or right can countenance, the left because they are controlled by a one-world kind of liberalism, and the right because they are controlled by soulless business with its globalist aims. These are all rough definitions of the terms, but I don't want an endless argument. I think we are basic agreement. Soon me, you and Larry will have to hatch a plot to straighten matters out. I'll bring the rum. --Vic |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:06:51 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:02:38 +1000, Herodotus wrote: Victor Ibn Smith, Larry bin Butler and Bruce Ibn Paige El Bangkoki are probably an improvement but Wilbur...... I don't care what you call me, but I won't wear a dress. --Vic That's what Milton Berle said... I've heard he needed his pantaloons cut loosely. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:04:44 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Partially true. See my other post. Bush is arrogant. Cheney is very, very smart. They're both snakes. Nothing really to do with brains. The rest I mentioned might actually have some deeply felt beliefs, misguided as they are. Even the worse despots have their own kind of "faith." It is not always easy to separate faith from ulterior motives such as greed, and power lust. I was pointing out the process of their Iraq war propaganda campaign, which had at least elements of what *could* be truth, as good propaganda requires. I saw the author in your link interviewed by Charley Rose and had already come to most of her conclusions, which she expressed well. Lou Dobbs has been preaching the same screed for years in his way, and in his own fashion so has Pat Buchanan. As you mentioned, Obama (and of course McCain) suffer from the same globalism malady. The solution to all that is Nationalism, or "America First" if you will, something neither the left or right can countenance, the left because they are controlled by a one-world kind of liberalism, and the right because they are controlled by soulless business with its globalist aims. These are all rough definitions of the terms, but I don't want an endless argument. I think we are basic agreement. Soon me, you and Larry will have to hatch a plot to straighten matters out. I'll bring the rum. --Vic Hear Hear, but I think the way to begin is to vote for a third party or no party candidate. If enough people did this, maybe the two ruling parties would take a second look. I hear Dave Barry is running. http://www.davebarry.com/president/dave2k/index.htm Gordon |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:04:44 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Partially true. See my other post. Bush is arrogant. Cheney is very, very smart. They're both snakes. Nothing really to do with brains. The rest I mentioned might actually have some deeply felt beliefs, misguided as they are. Even the worse despots have their own kind of "faith." It is not always easy to separate faith from ulterior motives such as greed, and power lust. I was pointing out the process of their Iraq war propaganda campaign, which had at least elements of what *could* be truth, as good propaganda requires. I saw the author in your link interviewed by Charley Rose and had already come to most of her conclusions, which she expressed well. Lou Dobbs has been preaching the same screed for years in his way, and in his own fashion so has Pat Buchanan. As you mentioned, Obama (and of course McCain) suffer from the same globalism malady. The solution to all that is Nationalism, or "America First" if you will, something neither the left or right can countenance, the left because they are controlled by a one-world kind of liberalism, and the right because they are controlled by soulless business with its globalist aims. These are all rough definitions of the terms, but I don't want an endless argument. I think we are basic agreement. Soon me, you and Larry will have to hatch a plot to straighten matters out. I'll bring the rum. --Vic Heh. The rum should solve the problem! I'd say give Bush some, but he's been there and drunk. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Gordon" wrote in message
m... Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:04:44 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Partially true. See my other post. Bush is arrogant. Cheney is very, very smart. They're both snakes. Nothing really to do with brains. The rest I mentioned might actually have some deeply felt beliefs, misguided as they are. Even the worse despots have their own kind of "faith." It is not always easy to separate faith from ulterior motives such as greed, and power lust. I was pointing out the process of their Iraq war propaganda campaign, which had at least elements of what *could* be truth, as good propaganda requires. I saw the author in your link interviewed by Charley Rose and had already come to most of her conclusions, which she expressed well. Lou Dobbs has been preaching the same screed for years in his way, and in his own fashion so has Pat Buchanan. As you mentioned, Obama (and of course McCain) suffer from the same globalism malady. The solution to all that is Nationalism, or "America First" if you will, something neither the left or right can countenance, the left because they are controlled by a one-world kind of liberalism, and the right because they are controlled by soulless business with its globalist aims. These are all rough definitions of the terms, but I don't want an endless argument. I think we are basic agreement. Soon me, you and Larry will have to hatch a plot to straighten matters out. I'll bring the rum. --Vic Hear Hear, but I think the way to begin is to vote for a third party or no party candidate. If enough people did this, maybe the two ruling parties would take a second look. I hear Dave Barry is running. http://www.davebarry.com/president/dave2k/index.htm Gordon Barry is great... I like his alternate dog, Skippy. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:30:06 -0700, Gordon wrote:
Hear Hear, but I think the way to begin is to vote for a third party or no party candidate. If enough people did this, maybe the two ruling parties would take a second look. I hear Dave Barry is running. http://www.davebarry.com/president/dave2k/index.htm That was hilarious. Think I found my candidate. Thanks. --Vic |
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Roger Long wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not getting in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people needing to believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't let this go. For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I recommend avoiding this link about the actual facts: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm Stephen |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:43:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
Sort of like the burning of the library at Alexandria by the Moslems. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebrĉus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation. Apparently those who refuse to study history ARE doomed to repeat it. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Now hang on a minute Bruce. Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it. It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set civilisation towards a dark age. Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death. I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy. regards Peter |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... Roger Long wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not getting in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people needing to believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't let this go. For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I recommend avoiding this link about the actual facts: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm Stephen Like I said, he's just an asshole, not a stupid asshole. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:45:32 +1000, Herodotus
w Now hang on a minute Bruce. Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it. It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set civilisation towards a dark age. Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death. I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy. regards Peter Sorry, I should have placed Hypatia's name in the second paragraph. Incredible woman. |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... Roger Long wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote Bush can read? OK, OK, it was a cheap shot. Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however, admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what is right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the lord has laid out for you. Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious. Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not getting in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many people needing to believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just couldn't let this go. For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's reading, I recommend avoiding this link: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm Stephen Posting the same link yet again? Check this, but don't let your head explode! http://www.jibjab.com/view/209630 -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:45:32 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:43:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok Sort of like the burning of the library at Alexandria by the Moslems. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebrĉus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation. Apparently those who refuse to study history ARE doomed to repeat it. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Now hang on a minute Bruce. Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it. It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set civilisation towards a dark age. Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death. I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy. regards Peter Actually, no one knows who burned the library. the earliest candidate was Julius Caesar... Please reread the final paragraph in my post. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:01:47 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:45:32 +1000, Herodotus wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:43:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok Sort of like the burning of the library at Alexandria by the Moslems. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebrĉus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation. Apparently those who refuse to study history ARE doomed to repeat it. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Now hang on a minute Bruce. Most of the library was burned by a Christian mob at the beginning of the 5th century AD when the Bishop Cyril incited the mob to waylay her on the way to work - she was the Chief Librarian as well as the daughter of a former chief Librarian. They dragged her from her chariot, stripped her and then flayed her alive before burning her body. The mob then surged into the library and set fire to it. It was considered "pagan learning". Cyril has since become one of the two patron saints of the Coptic Church (most Egyptian Christians are Coptic - very similar to Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox) and is revered. It was the acts of ignorant men like these who set civilisation towards a dark age. Part of this was the proscription of many classical authors' works and the burning thereof by the Church of Rome. Aristotle was one of the only authors allowed to be read. Most of the rest such as Heraclitus and so on were banned under pain of excommunication and or death. I was going to name my boat Hypatia which is why I had learned so much about her. The Lesbians had gotten hold on one of my favourite ancient poets, Sappho, so that ruled her out even though it is very doubtful as to whether she was a strapadictimist and practiced strapadictomy. regards Peter Actually, no one knows who burned the library. the earliest candidate was Julius Caesar... Please reread the final paragraph in my post. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Hi Bruce, The Romans regarded the library set up by the Ptolemys as one of the Egyptians treasure to be had, apart from the wealth and the growing of much needed grain for Rome. They had no cause or desire to destroy it. Mark Anthony gave the approximate 200,000 volumes of the second best library in the world (Library of Congress didn't even rate) - that of Pergamon, to Cleopatra along with the island of Cyprus as a wedding present. From what I understand, Julius set it alight in error. As for the supposed burning by the Moslem conqueror, most historians agree that it is fictional. You may not be aware of the texts but there are specific injunctions in the Koran to learn to read and read as well as to seek knowledge. Learning and knowledge were respected and admired. Besides, by that time, the library and its books had largely ceased to exist unfortunately. I have been to the sites of both the Alexandrian library - not much there now but a basement; and the library of Pergamon at modern day Bergama in Anatolia. To me it was like a Catholic being in the Vatican. A very religious moment. It was like a pilgrimage. I parked the car at the bottom of the very high hill the citadel was on and walked all the way instead of driving. BTW, Galen, another Greek ancestor of mine - I only claim the famous ones, the harbour whores belong to someone else - taught in the famous medical clinic and spa there - largely intact today and well worth a visit. Not much hope for the Library of Congress and the great libraries of the Universities if the conservative religious right get in is there? Ever seen a text book with Intelligent Design as its theme. Pretty scarey stuff. The one I saw would have been very convincing to minds of believers, impressionable children and simple minds like your president. I'm going to hide all my science books now and change my subscription name details to New Scientist and Scientific American. As you say, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Woodrow Wilson once said that what we learn from history is that we don't learn from history - and he was a history professor. Peter |
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On Jul 21, 5:31*pm, Herodotus wrote:
... I'm going to hide all my science books now and change my subscription name details to New Scientist and Scientific American. I first saw a copy of "New Scientist" in the laundry room at the Opua Marina in New Zealand in 01'. I thought "'New Scientist', eh, that will be some kind of touchy-feely new age thing, but it should amuse me while the clothing spins." Little did I know. I've been a subscriber every since. They go to my brother's house and one of the joys of home port is the knowledge that there will be a stack of them waiting for me. -- Tom. |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:57:45 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Jul 21, 5:31*pm, Herodotus wrote: ... I'm going to hide all my science books now and change my subscription name details to New Scientist and Scientific American. I first saw a copy of "New Scientist" in the laundry room at the Opua Marina in New Zealand in 01'. I thought "'New Scientist', eh, that will be some kind of touchy-feely new age thing, but it should amuse me while the clothing spins." Little did I know. I've been a subscriber every since. They go to my brother's house and one of the joys of home port is the knowledge that there will be a stack of them waiting for me. -- Tom. Yes Tom, its a great magazine. It is not a technical as "Scientific American" which I have subscribed to since university days. It makes difficult subjects simple to understand without losing any of the essential parts. What I like is that when I am away from home I can just logon on the web and read the articles anywhere. Nothing like the mental stimulus and keeping up with developments whilst anchored in a foreign port. regards Peter |
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