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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:15:14 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: snip that's some pretty funny stuff there...not only are you full of star spangled horse****, you're as dumb as a bag of hammers. Translation: "You kicked my ass so bad I have to fling insults instead of trying to argue effectively." Stephen |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this newsgroup. Then why did you ask if I like the way things have gone the last eight years? I personally have absolutely nothing to complain about and apparently neither do you. So, you don't mind if people suffer. Got it. Nope, you missed it. Seems you don't want to understand another point of view. In case I'm wrong about that: We each have to look around at our own environment as a major part of how we evaluate how the world is going. This evaluation is the only one not relying on second hand information and the only one we are direct witness to, hence is the most reliable. You directly asked me about how I thought things have been, so I answered with this direct evidence. Do you think this evidence from my life and yours doesn't matter? It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption. I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't to stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that dissimilar to the Taliban. Haven't seen a bit of this. Has the govt been getting more into your life lately? This struggle has gone on at the fringes for as long as I can remember. Nothing new. In your mind, nothing is new. Got it. In my life as an American citizen there has been no more interference than ever. This also holds true for all my friends and anyone I know who I've questioned, including you, apparently. I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating a war of choice (Iraq) vs. one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it the whole time. Everyone thought Iraq had WMDs, not just Bush. There was no lying. BS. He lied, Cheney lied, and Powel went along with it. Everyone? Really? Well, the vote in Congress was, what, 400 to 1 to go to war? Close enough. I'm sick of him ignoring and being so out of touch with what's going on in this country that he thinks everything is just fine with the economy, the lack of affordable healthcare for those worse off than people like me and you, and ignoring the people in desperate situations (e.g., New Orleans). Again, nothing new here. The economy goes up and down. We don't have socialized medicine. What's new? I can't remember it ever being any different, can you? Bush isn't to blame for any of it. Again, you don't care. Got it. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth or yours I suppose. Didn't say a word about caring or not. I said I can't remember the economy not going up and down. Can you? We've also never had more socialized medicine ever. How do you blame Bush for that? Did you change the subject because these points are obvious and you don't want to admit it? Don't think I'm absolving the formerly Republican controlled Congress either. They are at least complicit. The Republicans are holding fast even though the Dems are not in charge, basically preventing anything meaningful to get done, because it's an election year. And, don't think I'm absolving the Dem leadership in Congress either. I'm not happy that Pelosi refused to consider impeachment. It was just fine to put the country through an impeachment trial because Clinton lied about a blowjob, but it's not ok to put the country through an impeachment trial because Bush/Cheney lied about an unnecessary war? Absolutely unbelievable. Even one of our own Senators (Feinstein), a supposed liberal, refuses to consider it. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. You know that, right? And even Bush's former press secretary who wrote the tell all book said he wasn't lying about WMD's, just giving the information he had. Bush lied repeatedly to the US public. He and his cronies have been lying for the last seven years. Any facts or evidence to support this? The gov't in this country is spying on its citizens, detaining people without trial (not just foreigners, but it's own citizens), and generally trashing our civil rights. Nah. There have been some changes due to the war on terrorists. It's a new type of war requiring a new type of surveillance. No new president will change that. If they do, *they* should be impeached. Like I said, it's a slippery slope. I know you don't mind being on it. I do. Overseas, even with the grudging funding of HIV programs in Africa by the Bush Administration, there are so many strings attached that countries are barred from using their own money to promote safer sex with condoms if they want to receive money from the US.... all of this due to the religio-fascists who have a strangle hold on that jerk in office. I'm not very fond of the idea of giving money to governments for AIDs when there is no accountability about where the money goes. Why do lefties always think dumping more money into a problem is the best solution? I wouldn't mind so much if it was their money they wanted to dump, but in fact they always want it to be someone else's money, not theirs. That's a big part of why it's wrong. Sure. They should all die. Got it. Again, you are ignoring what I'm actually saying. Maybe you can read it again and see if you can answer instead of me spelling everything out for you. Here's a hint: Why do you think it's good to force others to pay more for AIDs research? How much have you paid? How much more are you willing to pay? Have all diseases been cured when more money was paid for finding cures? As for Obama vs McCain, I'm relatively ambivalent. Obama doesn't seem stupid enough to change course in Iraq, no matter what he says. When he continues the war on terror, as he must, more people will understand that Bush isn't to blame for Islamic extremists and even gentle liberal lefties need to wipe them off the face of the earth before they do the same to us. Bush and Condi were warned about 9/11. They went on vacation. Again, you have failed to address my point. A clear sign that you have no answer for what I'm saying. Maybe you were just in a hurry when you wrote this? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying again. Stephen |
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Herodotus wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:18:18 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: that Bush isn't to blame for Islamic extremists and even gentle liberal lefties need to wipe them off the face of the earth before they do the same to us. Stephen I am confused. When Americans state "In God we trust", which God are they referring to? Obviously not the Christian God. Sounds more like Camaxtli, the Aztec god of war. Do you propose that the Christian extremists get the same treatment? Of course. All extremists of any type who threaten and carry out violence targeting innocents should be investigated and stopped by any means necessary. What about the gun-totting, survivalist, anti-government extremists of places such as Montana? Well, cultists and extremists should be and have been caught and stopped from hurting people. Do you propose to invade China, Russia, Venezuela, Pakistan (suggested by some at present) and any other country that you consider poses a threat to US interests? What about Cuba? Oh, I forgot. You tried that once and lost. We should remain somewhat lackadaisical about those who only threaten and never seem to be willing or able to carry it out, like we did with the Islamic extremists; but once they show the willingness or ability to hurt people we should rain holy hell down on them, just like we did with Al Qaida. Your response is unreasoned, abusive and blustering, typical of someone who cannot accept Vail criticism and who has no other means of refuting the statements. The only abuse I level at people is toward those who level it at me first. There has been none toward you so far, has there? You should not consider demolition of your arguments as "abuse." Stephen |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this newsgroup. Then why did you ask if I like the way things have gone the last eight years? I personally have absolutely nothing to complain about and apparently neither do you. So, you don't mind if people suffer. Got it. Nope, you missed it. Seems you don't want to understand another point of view. In case I'm wrong about that: We each have to look around at our own environment as a major part of how we evaluate how the world is going. This evaluation is the only one not relying on second hand information and the only one we are direct witness to, hence is the most reliable. You directly asked me about how I thought things have been, so I answered with this direct evidence. Do you think this evidence from my life and yours doesn't matter? Nope. Didn't miss it. You missed it. You're relatively privilaged. People who aren't are suffering and you don't care. This is the point. I know it's difficult for you, so don't sweat it. It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption. I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't to stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that dissimilar to the Taliban. Haven't seen a bit of this. Has the govt been getting more into your life lately? This struggle has gone on at the fringes for as long as I can remember. Nothing new. In your mind, nothing is new. Got it. In my life as an American citizen there has been no more interference than ever. This also holds true for all my friends and anyone I know who I've questioned, including you, apparently. I guess you never fly or drive or use the phone or use the Internet. And, best of all, neither do your friends! LOL I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating a war of choice (Iraq) vs. one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it the whole time. Everyone thought Iraq had WMDs, not just Bush. There was no lying. BS. He lied, Cheney lied, and Powel went along with it. Everyone? Really? Well, the vote in Congress was, what, 400 to 1 to go to war? Close enough. Congress? Really? I thought it was the Senate... 77 to 23. Get your facts straight. You look foolish when you make things up and you're not Dick Cheney. Well, he looks pretty foolish too! I'm sick of him ignoring and being so out of touch with what's going on in this country that he thinks everything is just fine with the economy, the lack of affordable healthcare for those worse off than people like me and you, and ignoring the people in desperate situations (e.g., New Orleans). Again, nothing new here. The economy goes up and down. We don't have socialized medicine. What's new? I can't remember it ever being any different, can you? Bush isn't to blame for any of it. Again, you don't care. Got it. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth or yours I suppose. Didn't say a word about caring or not. I said I can't remember the economy not going up and down. Can you? We've also never had more socialized medicine ever. How do you blame Bush for that? Did you change the subject because these points are obvious and you don't want to admit it? What are you blathering about? The economy is in shambles, in a large measure because of the cost of the war and Bushco's stated agenda to remove Federal funding from just about every program including Social Security and Medicare. Don't think I'm absolving the formerly Republican controlled Congress either. They are at least complicit. The Republicans are holding fast even though the Dems are not in charge, basically preventing anything meaningful to get done, because it's an election year. And, don't think I'm absolving the Dem leadership in Congress either. I'm not happy that Pelosi refused to consider impeachment. It was just fine to put the country through an impeachment trial because Clinton lied about a blowjob, but it's not ok to put the country through an impeachment trial because Bush/Cheney lied about an unnecessary war? Absolutely unbelievable. Even one of our own Senators (Feinstein), a supposed liberal, refuses to consider it. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. You know that, right? And even Bush's former press secretary who wrote the tell all book said he wasn't lying about WMD's, just giving the information he had. Bush lied repeatedly to the US public. He and his cronies have been lying for the last seven years. Any facts or evidence to support this? If you can't find them, you've got a lot more problems than I can solve by pointing you to them. The gov't in this country is spying on its citizens, detaining people without trial (not just foreigners, but it's own citizens), and generally trashing our civil rights. Nah. There have been some changes due to the war on terrorists. It's a new type of war requiring a new type of surveillance. No new president will change that. If they do, *they* should be impeached. Like I said, it's a slippery slope. I know you don't mind being on it. I do. Overseas, even with the grudging funding of HIV programs in Africa by the Bush Administration, there are so many strings attached that countries are barred from using their own money to promote safer sex with condoms if they want to receive money from the US.... all of this due to the religio-fascists who have a strangle hold on that jerk in office. I'm not very fond of the idea of giving money to governments for AIDs when there is no accountability about where the money goes. Why do lefties always think dumping more money into a problem is the best solution? I wouldn't mind so much if it was their money they wanted to dump, but in fact they always want it to be someone else's money, not theirs. That's a big part of why it's wrong. Sure. They should all die. Got it. Again, you are ignoring what I'm actually saying. Maybe you can read it again and see if you can answer instead of me spelling everything out for you. Here's a hint: Why do you think it's good to force others to pay more for AIDs research? How much have you paid? How much more are you willing to pay? Have all diseases been cured when more money was paid for finding cures? Sounds like a rant to me. I think I'll pass. You don't care about people with aids and you think that we really shouldn't be spending money to help them. You didn't address one of the points I made, then accuse me of doing that. Sounds like a right-wingnut methodology to me! As for Obama vs McCain, I'm relatively ambivalent. Obama doesn't seem stupid enough to change course in Iraq, no matter what he says. When he continues the war on terror, as he must, more people will understand that Bush isn't to blame for Islamic extremists and even gentle liberal lefties need to wipe them off the face of the earth before they do the same to us. Bush and Condi were warned about 9/11. They went on vacation. Again, you have failed to address my point. A clear sign that you have no answer for what I'm saying. Maybe you were just in a hurry when you wrote this? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying again. Maybe if you say it five more times you'll feel better. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... Herodotus wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:18:18 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: that Bush isn't to blame for Islamic extremists and even gentle liberal lefties need to wipe them off the face of the earth before they do the same to us. Stephen I am confused. When Americans state "In God we trust", which God are they referring to? Obviously not the Christian God. Sounds more like Camaxtli, the Aztec god of war. Do you propose that the Christian extremists get the same treatment? Of course. All extremists of any type who threaten and carry out violence targeting innocents should be investigated and stopped by any means necessary. What about the gun-totting, survivalist, anti-government extremists of places such as Montana? Well, cultists and extremists should be and have been caught and stopped from hurting people. Do you propose to invade China, Russia, Venezuela, Pakistan (suggested by some at present) and any other country that you consider poses a threat to US interests? What about Cuba? Oh, I forgot. You tried that once and lost. We should remain somewhat lackadaisical about those who only threaten and never seem to be willing or able to carry it out, like we did with the Islamic extremists; but once they show the willingness or ability to hurt people we should rain holy hell down on them, just like we did with Al Qaida. Your response is unreasoned, abusive and blustering, typical of someone who cannot accept Vail criticism and who has no other means of refuting the statements. The only abuse I level at people is toward those who level it at me first. There has been none toward you so far, has there? You should not consider demolition of your arguments as "abuse." Stephen Yeah, we "rain holy hell down on them" like with did with bin laden... a guy trailing 300lbs of dialysis equipment over hill and dale. But, we sure "got them" in Iraq, except they're all movin to Afganistan thanks to George and Dick. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions... "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this newsgroup. Then why did you ask if I like the way things have gone the last eight years? I personally have absolutely nothing to complain about and apparently neither do you. So, you don't mind if people suffer. Got it. Nope, you missed it. Seems you don't want to understand another point of view. In case I'm wrong about that: We each have to look around at our own environment as a major part of how we evaluate how the world is going. This evaluation is the only one not relying on second hand information and the only one we are direct witness to, hence is the most reliable. You directly asked me about how I thought things have been, so I answered with this direct evidence. Do you think this evidence from my life and yours doesn't matter? Nope. Didn't miss it. You missed it. You're relatively privilaged. People who aren't are suffering and you don't care. This is the point. I know it's difficult for you, so don't sweat it. It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption. I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't to stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that dissimilar to the Taliban. Haven't seen a bit of this. Has the govt been getting more into your life lately? This struggle has gone on at the fringes for as long as I can remember. Nothing new. In your mind, nothing is new. Got it. In my life as an American citizen there has been no more interference than ever. This also holds true for all my friends and anyone I know who I've questioned, including you, apparently. I guess you never fly or drive or use the phone or use the Internet. And, best of all, neither do your friends! LOL I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating a war of choice (Iraq) vs. one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it the whole time. Everyone thought Iraq had WMDs, not just Bush. There was no lying. BS. He lied, Cheney lied, and Powel went along with it. Everyone? Really? Well, the vote in Congress was, what, 400 to 1 to go to war? Close enough. Congress? Really? I thought it was the Senate... 77 to 23. Get your facts straight. You look foolish when you make things up and you're not Dick Cheney. Well, he looks pretty foolish too! I forgot about the House... they approved the identical resolution 296 to 133. Not exactly 400 to 1 is it. So I guess at least a few people weren't fooled by Bu****. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/
I love this part: Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said the United States needs to move before Saddam can develop a more advanced arsenal. "Giving peace a chance only gives Saddam Hussein more time to prepare for war on his terms, at a time of his choosing, in pursuit of ambitions that will only grow as his power to achieve them grows," McCain said. I guess his vast foreign policy experience didn't help him this time.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:45:31 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message areasolutions... "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: "Stephen Trapani" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this newsgroup. Then why did you ask if I like the way things have gone the last eight years? I personally have absolutely nothing to complain about and apparently neither do you. So, you don't mind if people suffer. Got it. Nope, you missed it. Seems you don't want to understand another point of view. In case I'm wrong about that: We each have to look around at our own environment as a major part of how we evaluate how the world is going. This evaluation is the only one not relying on second hand information and the only one we are direct witness to, hence is the most reliable. You directly asked me about how I thought things have been, so I answered with this direct evidence. Do you think this evidence from my life and yours doesn't matter? Nope. Didn't miss it. You missed it. You're relatively privilaged. People who aren't are suffering and you don't care. This is the point. I know it's difficult for you, so don't sweat it. It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption. I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't to stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that dissimilar to the Taliban. Haven't seen a bit of this. Has the govt been getting more into your life lately? This struggle has gone on at the fringes for as long as I can remember. Nothing new. In your mind, nothing is new. Got it. In my life as an American citizen there has been no more interference than ever. This also holds true for all my friends and anyone I know who I've questioned, including you, apparently. I guess you never fly or drive or use the phone or use the Internet. And, best of all, neither do your friends! LOL I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating a war of choice (Iraq) vs. one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it the whole time. Everyone thought Iraq had WMDs, not just Bush. There was no lying. BS. He lied, Cheney lied, and Powel went along with it. Everyone? Really? Well, the vote in Congress was, what, 400 to 1 to go to war? Close enough. Congress? Really? I thought it was the Senate... 77 to 23. Get your facts straight. You look foolish when you make things up and you're not Dick Cheney. Well, he looks pretty foolish too! I forgot about the House... they approved the identical resolution 296 to 133. Not exactly 400 to 1 is it. So I guess at least a few people weren't fooled by Bu****. Don't overlook what happened in the next election following that vote. So many of the idiots who voted for the war were sent packing, it changed the balance of Congress, which had been tightly held by the Republicans for quite some time. Apparently a majority of THE PEOPLE who own the joint, disagreed with that vote. True, but unfortunately, the new people are much like the old people. Sounds like a Who concert. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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