porta-bote or inflatable?
 

Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


This subject usually opens a large debate. Should be fun to see what comes
of it again.

You might want to read some of the older posts on this topic. Rib vs.
Portabote seems to end up being a list of people saying 'i like my RIB' and
'i like my portabote'.

'I like my RIB'

dan

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

I like my RBB (Rigid Buoyancy Boat). All fiberglass, acts like an inflatable
but you can't deflate and stow. OTOH, has storage in the seat and tubes,
very fast with a 25HP on a 10' boat. I love mine.
http://www.bossboats.com/default.asp?Page=Yachtsman_10

Second choice would be a RIB, wouldn't have a portabote unless I needed to
keep it folded up and only use it occasionally.

--


Keith
__
Gossip is when you hear something you like about someone you don't.
"Dan" wrote in message
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"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


This subject usually opens a large debate. Should be fun to see what
comes
of it again.

You might want to read some of the older posts on this topic. Rib vs.
Portabote seems to end up being a list of people saying 'i like my RIB'
and
'i like my portabote'.

'I like my RIB'

dan

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

"Dan" wrote in message ...
"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


This subject usually opens a large debate. Should be fun to see what comes
of it again.

You might want to read some of the older posts on this topic. Rib vs.
Portabote seems to end up being a list of people saying 'i like my RIB' and
'i like my portabote'.

'I like my RIB'

dan

I shoulda been more specific. It is for a tender for my 28' S2 so
must be capable of being carried in a small space. I have had an
inflatable kayak and inflating it is a pain. In the past, I have
carried both an 8' hard Nautilus and a Sevylor inflatable kayak (dont
buy one) for my wife and 3 kids.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

In article , Parallax says...

"Dan" wrote in message
...
"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


This subject usually opens a large debate. Should be fun to see what comes
of it again.

You might want to read some of the older posts on this topic. Rib vs.
Portabote seems to end up being a list of people saying 'i like my RIB' and
'i like my portabote'.

'I like my RIB'

dan

I shoulda been more specific. It is for a tender for my 28' S2 so
must be capable of being carried in a small space. I have had an
inflatable kayak and inflating it is a pain. In the past, I have
carried both an 8' hard Nautilus and a Sevylor inflatable kayak (dont
buy one) for my wife and 3 kids.

I have a Porta Bote and quite like it. But you need a dinghy for 5, right? So
that would mean a 12 footer if you went with a Porta Bote. And while the hull
itself folds down to the size of a surf board that can be easily stowed along
the rails or along the cabin house - you do still have to find space for the
seats and transom. With a 12 footer that's a transom and 3 seats to stow below.
With a 28 footer as the mother ship you are probably not going to find dedicated
space for all those seats, so they would need to be removed each evening for
everyone to bunk down.

Of course any inflatable that would hold the five of you would also be pretty
big, and certainly in the way not only down below but on deck as well.

All of which helps to explain why most folks just buy a big inflatable or RIB
and tow it behind where ever they go!

Steve Christensen

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


I have both, and use the Porta-Bote almost exclusively. It rows easily, it
motors easily, it carries large loads. It also takes upwards of an hour to
assemble from scratch on deck (including getting together the three seats and
transom from down below, the bag of hardware, twisting it up on deck,
assembling, rigging a hardness to attach to the main halyard, putting into
water, mounting the engine, getting fuel can and safety gear)

my inflatable is an Achilles "donut" style, which takes maybe 20 minutes start
to finish including mounting the engine etc, but only holds *max* of two
people, and that is crowd. The damned thing rows likes a submerged garbage
can. Engine required.

btw, most inflatables you see on boats out there look spic and span brand new
in the last two or three years. Most hard dinghies look like they have been
around since Nixon was president. Interesting is that about half of those who
have a hard dinghy also have an inflatable. Not sure which came first, but
they put up with having both, it seems because each did things well the other
didn't.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

In article ,
(JAXAshby) wrote:

Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


I have both, and use the Porta-Bote almost exclusively. It rows easily, it
motors easily, it carries large loads.

Hey! We actually agree for once! except....

It also takes upwards of an hour to
assemble from scratch on deck (including getting together the three seats and
transom from down below, the bag of hardware, twisting it up on deck,
assembling, rigging a hardness to attach to the main halyard, putting into
water, mounting the engine, getting fuel can and safety gear)

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down.

I guess it would take longer if I were doing it entirely alone -- part
of that would be resting and consuming a refreshing drink -- but my wife
helps hand things out. We have dedicated spaces for all the pieces, so
they're easy to find or stow. The motor's on Xan's transom when I bother
to bring it. Boat rows well enough that we only bring the motor when
we're going some place we haven't explored extensively.

Addressing another of Parallax's messages: For 5 at once, you will want
a large dink for all but the shortest trips. The 12 will definitely work
& be mostly dry; the 10 may. Stowing the seats and transom will be a
hassle. They take up about 5'x2'x1.5' or slightly more space than the
Sevylor. With a little sewing, though, you could make up bags to stow
them on deck.

And DO bring the Sevylor: Gives the kids something to do. A 12v inflator
makes the job a lot easier, though I have to use the foot pump to get
the pressure high enough; a few pounds makes a world of difference.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

The Porta-bote really takes an hour?

all things together in one pile on shore, about 20 minutes.

On my boat ...

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down

all things in a pile on the shore, yup.

On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting
hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the
o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote
off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite
longer than on shore.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

jax said
It also takes upwards of an hour to
assemble from scratch on deck (including getting together the three seats and
transom from down below, the bag of hardware, twisting it up on deck,
assembling, rigging a hardness to attach to the main halyard, putting into
water, mounting the engine, getting fuel can and safety gear)

Parallax wrote:
The Porta-bote really takes an hour?

This is a question that has been debated before. Jax always says an
hour or so, most of us say significantly less. We've got a 12'
Porta-Bote that lives on the coach roof.
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/PortaCover.JPG
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/PortaBote.JPG
It's very rare for me to set it up or put it away alone, but when I
do it wouldn't surprise me if it took a 1/2 an hour or even more from
the time I start getting the bits and pieces out to when I'm in the boat
and moving under power. Usually though, my wife and I are working
together and the most time consuming part, getting the bits & pieces out
on deck or storing them away, goes at least twice as fast as when
working alone since the one down below is just handing things up to the
one on deck instead of making many trips carrying them.

I've never actually timed it, but I think our typical unhurried time is
more like 15-20 minutes working together and may be a little less. The
actual assembly time for the boat is only a few minutes. Really no time
at all. It's getting the seats, transom, oars, miracle assembly stick
and bailer out of the bottomless pit locker, then getting the little
tupperware thing with the pins in it out of the nav. station,
remembering where the plastic bow piece got stashed (though in truth, we
usually don't bother with it), oh yeah, don't forget the rubber mallet.
Are we going to need the dinghy anchor? "Honey, I can't find the plastic
'key' for the outboard. Have you seen it anywhere?" You get the picture.

We also have an older 10' Avon that hasn't been out of the garage since
we got the Porta-Bote 2 1/2 years ago.

If you're interested in why we love our Porta-Bote so much after having
used the inflatable for years, I'll be happy to wax eloquently off line,
but most of the people who hang out here have heard me sing its' praises
before.

Take care - Dan
--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

I agree with Jax. Putting the portabote together athwart the cabin top
is a time consuming PIA. With practice, we've gotten it down to 40
min. Having said that, it beats towing. The trade off is that, due to
laziness, we tend not to assemble the dinghy if we are only going to
be in a given port ovenight. Longer stays are worth the effort.




On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:53:11 GMT, wrote:

On 31 Mar 2004 04:38:47 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down

all things in a pile on the shore, yup.

On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting
hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the
o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote
off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite
longer than on shore.


Sounds more like you are very disorganized and inept. It would take you an hour
to get any dinghy in the water, based on your descriptiion.

BB

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

??? The last time my wife timed me, it took me almost 7 minutes to
assemble the boat on the foredeck by myself. Are you missing an arm?

no, he is missing your bullsquat.



BB

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

That's about average for pinning the seats and installing the transom.
Let's add as few steps to that:
-Gathering parts
-Padding Cabin Top
-securing boom out of the way
-Moving Hull to assembly location
-propping hull open
-pinning seats and installing transom
-installing bow piece, painter and lock cable
-rigging sling and launching dinghy
-installing motor and fuel can
-collecting and installing anchor and safety gear
-restablishing order on mother ship

Yeah, forty minutes is about right.
As for my missing arm, I specifically asked Bob not to tell any one.
Very cruel BB











On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:17:46 GMT, wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:19:05 GMT, Marc wrote:

I agree with Jax. Putting the portabote together athwart the cabin top
is a time consuming PIA. With practice, we've gotten it down to 40
min. Having said that, it beats towing. The trade off is that, due to
laziness, we tend not to assemble the dinghy if we are only going to
be in a given port ovenight. Longer stays are worth the effort.



??? The last time my wife timed me, it took me almost 7 minutes to
assemble the boat on the foredeck by myself. Are you missing an arm?

BB




On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:53:11 GMT, wrote:

On 31 Mar 2004 04:38:47 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down

all things in a pile on the shore, yup.

On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting
hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the
o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote
off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite
longer than on shore.


Sounds more like you are very disorganized and inept. It would take you an hour
to get any dinghy in the water, based on your descriptiion.

BB

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

It weighs 50 pounds, Marc! I pick it up and drop it over the
lifelines.

bb, you just pegged the bs meter. A 12 foot Porta-Bote weighs 89 pounds, PLUS
the (3, not 2 as you stated) seats PLUS the transom. The total is a lot closer
to 120 pounds or more.

btw, you don't just tie the bote to the lifelines, you also tied the bote
tightly before taking it to the lifelines to store. the bote is stiff and half
opens up on its own if you don't tie it together.

btw, the VAST majority of Porta-Botes are the 12 foot model, with most of the
rest being 10 feet. Very few 8 foot Porta-Botes out there. In fact, I have
never seen one. 12's and 10's have three seats. only the 8 has two seats.
the 8 footer is considered too small to use for more than one person under most
conditions, and the 10 and 12's are very little more money.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

Boy, what a contentious issue. Just how long does it take to erect a Porta-Bote
anyway?

In our case, it probably takes us about a half hour to do the whole job aboard
our Ericson 38. So I can well agree with folks who say from 20 to 40 min. But
in my yard at home, with the parts nearby, I can probably do the job in 5
minutes. The difference is how long it takes to get everything set up and
hauled out of storage.

If someone says they can rig their inflatable in just 5 minutes, is that 5
minutes of just pumping, or does that include getting the boat out of storage?
When are you starting the clock?

And what’s with all the insults? Just because someone else takes longer to put
his together doesn’t make him an incompetent idiot.

Someone wrote:

-Padding Cabin Top
-securing boom out of the way

To which silver tongued BinaryBill replied:

Padding what? Securing what?

Well Bill, on my two sailboats, if I didn’t put down padding on the deck or
cabin house I would leave black marks everywhere from the black tubes. You
don’t have to do this, but it helps, and it adds an extra step.

And on my older boat (a Precision 23) the only place to erect the boat was on
the cabin house over the companionway. And to do that I had to move the boom
over to one side, just like the earlier skipper. Which takes several extra
steps to release the mainsheet and such.

This other skipper also wrote:

-rigging sling and launching dinghy

To which the ever tolerant and understanding BinaryBill replied:

It weighs 50 pounds, Marc! I pick it up and drop it over the
lifelines.

From the top of my lifelines to the water is close to 7 feet on my boat, which
is further than I care to drop the boat. Which is why I too use a lifting sling
to launch the boat, which takes up another part of that 30 minutes.

BinaryBill went on to insult a few more folks, underestimate the weight of his
boat, and generally show that he is so insecure that he has to be right about
everything. But if he can do all this in "WAY under 10 minutes," then he is
obviously a superior sailor to everyone else on usenet, and we should all
recognize him as such! (Maybe then he will shut up.)

Steve Christensen

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

bb, you don't have a Porta-Bote.

It weighs 50 pounds, Marc! I pick it up and drop it over the
lifelines.

bb, you just pegged the bs meter. A 12 foot Porta-Bote weighs 89 pounds,
PLUS
the (3, not 2 as you stated) seats PLUS the transom. The total is a lot
closer
to 120 pounds or more.

My 8 foot portabote weighs 50 pounds completely assembled with seats
and transome installed.


btw, you don't just tie the bote to the lifelines, you also tied the bote
tightly before taking it to the lifelines to store. the bote is stiff and
half
opens up on its own if you don't tie it together.

Incorrect. I lash it to the lifelines with two webbed straps as I
stated. You seem to have great trouble with very simple tasks. Do you
have rickets or something?


btw, the VAST majority of Porta-Botes are the 12 foot model, with most of
the
rest being 10 feet. Very few 8 foot Porta-Botes out there.

Really? Perhaps you better tell Portabote that. They seem to think the
8 footer is very popular.

In fact, I have
never seen one.

You've already shown that you are not very observant, or a reliable
witness.

12's and 10's have three seats. only the 8 has two seats.
the 8 footer is considered too small to use for more than one person under
most
conditions,

How odd! I ferry three adults, and their gear all the time. With just
me in the boat it planes when powered by my mighty Minnkota electric
motor.

and the 10 and 12's are very little more money.

But they take up far more room. We are talking about use as a tender
for a relatively small (under 35 feet) cruising sailboat. A 12 foot
ANYTHING would be dopey for that purpose. I guess that explains you
pretty well.

BB

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

"Parallax" wrote in message


The Porta-bote really takes an hour? My god, my Nautilus 8 only takes
5 minutes to hoist off h deck with halyard and over the lifelines into
the water. Maybe 10 minutes total to be ready with oars.
Maybe I will continue o live with the Nautilus and inflatable kayak.


Seems like you are making a comparison between oranges and apples.

If you wanted to leave the Porta-bote assembled and stowed on deck then it
would deploy in a matter of minutes as well. If you are going to pack up
the inflatable and stow it below decks then I bet it would take more than 10
minutes to have it ready for launch.

How long it takes to go from the most compact storage to fully operational
will vary greatly on the style of the inflatable. I used to have an
inflatable that had and inflatable keel and plywood floor. Getting the keel
in place and the floorboards properly positioned with the
stiffening/connecting boards installed was a real bitch. I could spend
hours on it working in the driveway, I would hate to try it on the deck of a
boat.

A friend had an inflatable that had "slats" as the floorboards that just
rolled up. I didn't care for that boat at all and he ended up getting rid
of it a year later because it basically sucked. Good stiff floorboards make
a huge difference in how an inflatable planes and the roll up floors just
don't perform well.

There is a "high pressure inflatable" floor system that might be okay, but I
have never actually known anyone who has one of these.

I know several people who have Porta-botes. One friend keeps his folded up
on the dock. When he wants to use it he just lays it down (he stows it
standing up, folded thin), folds down the seats (I think that locks the
beam) puts his outboard on and he is ready to go.

At the marina where I keep my boats there is a live-aboard who has a
porta-bote that he keeps in the water all the time. I know that he has had
that boat, in the water, for the last 6 years. He puts around the marina in
it all the time, and I occasionally see him zipping down the channel at a
fairly good clip being pushed by his 6 HP outboard. His Porta-bote
outlasted my last inflatable!

I still prefer an inflatable for my own needs, but I have a lot of respect
for those Porta-botes.

Rod McInnis

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

Steve Christensen wrote

And what?s with all the insults? Just because someone else takes longer to put
his together doesn?t make him an incompetent idiot.

it does in Bills' case.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

Steve Christensen wrote

And what?s with all the insults? Just because someone else takes longer to put
his together doesn?t make him an incompetent idiot.

it does in Bills' case.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

In article ,
Steve Christensen wrote:

Someone wrote:

-Padding Cabin Top
-securing boom out of the way

To which silver tongued BinaryBill replied:

Padding what? Securing what?

Well Bill, on my two sailboats, if I didn’t put down padding on the deck or
cabin house I would leave black marks everywhere from the black tubes. You
don’t have to do this, but it helps, and it adds an extra step.

Those black marks can be eliminated. (Those tubes ARE a PITA, but they
do their job.)

Bronze wool the tubes to get the top layer of gunk off, then lay on a
couple of coats of Armor-All or something similar.

----

Oops, snipped too much. We assemble the PortaBote across the bow and
over the lifelines as they dive to the deck. Obviously, I have to slide
the PortaBote around as I move from center seat to transom, but I prefer
that to doing it on our side deck -- the advantage of a flush deck, --
but it's just a little tight.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

In article ,
Steve Christensen wrote:

Someone wrote:

-Padding Cabin Top
-securing boom out of the way

To which silver tongued BinaryBill replied:

Padding what? Securing what?

Well Bill, on my two sailboats, if I didn’t put down padding on the deck or
cabin house I would leave black marks everywhere from the black tubes. You
don’t have to do this, but it helps, and it adds an extra step.

Those black marks can be eliminated. (Those tubes ARE a PITA, but they
do their job.)

Bronze wool the tubes to get the top layer of gunk off, then lay on a
couple of coats of Armor-All or something similar.

----

Oops, snipped too much. We assemble the PortaBote across the bow and
over the lifelines as they dive to the deck. Obviously, I have to slide
the PortaBote around as I move from center seat to transom, but I prefer
that to doing it on our side deck -- the advantage of a flush deck, --
but it's just a little tight.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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"Dan" wrote:

"Parallax" wrote in message
. com...
Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


This subject usually opens a large debate. Should be fun to see what comes
of it again.

You might want to read some of the older posts on this topic. Rib vs.
Portabote seems to end up being a list of people saying 'i like my RIB' and
'i like my portabote'.

We have both and I like my portabote. But we tend NOT to use the
dinghy much.

As for storage - we store the folded boat along the lifelines, and the
seats and other stuff in a big Sunbrella bag on the deck under the
staysail boom. We used to store it in a locker and then decided it
didn't have to be warm and dry.

Bob does not like towing a dinghy when underway especially when
sailing.

I don't like our particular inflatable because it has no seats, and
the tubes are not big enough to sit on. The portabote has seats and
is far more comfortable for me. The inflatable is slightly easier to
get into from the water using a fabric ladder that Bob made. Since I
have arthritis in my knees and back, sitting on the floor is not
comfortable and standing is not an option either.


grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

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"Dan" wrote:

"Parallax" wrote in message
. com...
Well, anybody have knowledge of both for a dinghy?


This subject usually opens a large debate. Should be fun to see what comes
of it again.

You might want to read some of the older posts on this topic. Rib vs.
Portabote seems to end up being a list of people saying 'i like my RIB' and
'i like my portabote'.

We have both and I like my portabote. But we tend NOT to use the
dinghy much.

As for storage - we store the folded boat along the lifelines, and the
seats and other stuff in a big Sunbrella bag on the deck under the
staysail boom. We used to store it in a locker and then decided it
didn't have to be warm and dry.

Bob does not like towing a dinghy when underway especially when
sailing.

I don't like our particular inflatable because it has no seats, and
the tubes are not big enough to sit on. The portabote has seats and
is far more comfortable for me. The inflatable is slightly easier to
get into from the water using a fabric ladder that Bob made. Since I
have arthritis in my knees and back, sitting on the floor is not
comfortable and standing is not an option either.


grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

I assume the pic shows a bote. Not your bote, but a bote. if it were your
bote you would know it weighs more than 49 pounds assembled.

bb, you don't have a Porta-Bote.

http://binarybill.tripod.com/P7280107.JPG

Oh dear, Jaxy! It sure looks like my portaboat, held to the lifelines
with a couple of webbed straps, just like I said it was! So where's
yours?

BB

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

I assume the pic shows a bote. Not your bote, but a bote. if it were your
bote you would know it weighs more than 49 pounds assembled.

bb, you don't have a Porta-Bote.

http://binarybill.tripod.com/P7280107.JPG

Oh dear, Jaxy! It sure looks like my portaboat, held to the lifelines
with a couple of webbed straps, just like I said it was! So where's
yours?

BB

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down

all things in a pile on the shore, yup.

On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for
the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being
unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of
us working together.

We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but
maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We
keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also
on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits
like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag.

One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat.
That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put
together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff
there.

After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a
crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are
already there.

I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and
Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN
carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry
it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself.

The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using
the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same
regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of
stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher
etc).

On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting
hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the
o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote
off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite
longer than on shore.


grandma Rosalie

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly
figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that,
it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down

all things in a pile on the shore, yup.

On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for
the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being
unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of
us working together.

We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but
maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We
keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also
on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits
like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag.

One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat.
That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put
together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff
there.

After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a
crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are
already there.

I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and
Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN
carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry
it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself.

The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using
the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same
regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of
stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher
etc).

On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting
hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the
o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote
off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite
longer than on shore.


grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

you know, one of the things I have begun to notice is that everyone who says
they put a bote together and get it in the water in a short time are doing it
with two people, not one.

Also, except for bb, everyone says they have all the
seats/transom/outboard/oarss/pins/pfd's/anchor/safety equipment right at hand.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

you know, one of the things I have begun to notice is that everyone who says
they put a bote together and get it in the water in a short time are doing it
with two people, not one.

Also, except for bb, everyone says they have all the
seats/transom/outboard/oarss/pins/pfd's/anchor/safety equipment right at hand.

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

you know, one of the things I have begun to notice is that everyone who says
they put a bote together and get it in the water in a short time are doing it
with two people, not one.

Well why not? If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

Also, except for bb, everyone says they have all the
seats/transom/outboard/oarss/pins/pfd's/anchor/safety equipment right at hand.

Seems like common sense to me. Why would you want to do it any other
way? Just to make things difficult for yourself?

I do not agree with just tossing the boat over the side however. We
could possibly do that, but I'd think the boat might land upside down.
It wouldn't sink but it would be a real pain to correct and of course
anything in it would fall out.

We have towed a portabote, and it tows well.


grandma Rosalie

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

you know, one of the things I have begun to notice is that everyone who says
they put a bote together and get it in the water in a short time are doing it
with two people, not one.

Well why not? If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

Also, except for bb, everyone says they have all the
seats/transom/outboard/oarss/pins/pfd's/anchor/safety equipment right at hand.

Seems like common sense to me. Why would you want to do it any other
way? Just to make things difficult for yourself?

I do not agree with just tossing the boat over the side however. We
could possibly do that, but I'd think the boat might land upside down.
It wouldn't sink but it would be a real pain to correct and of course
anything in it would fall out.

We have towed a portabote, and it tows well.


grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

It makes a big difference. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes 3 times
as long to do it alone.


JAXAshby wrote:
you know, one of the things I have begun to notice is that everyone who says
they put a bote together and get it in the water in a short time are doing it
with two people, not one.

Also, except for bb, everyone says they have all the
seats/transom/outboard/oarss/pins/pfd's/anchor/safety equipment right at hand.



--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

It makes a big difference. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes 3 times
as long to do it alone.


JAXAshby wrote:
you know, one of the things I have begun to notice is that everyone who says
they put a bote together and get it in the water in a short time are doing it
with two people, not one.

Also, except for bb, everyone says they have all the
seats/transom/outboard/oarss/pins/pfd's/anchor/safety equipment right at hand.



--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them
help?

and if one person is doing it, it takes longer
Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is
reasonably efficient.

Why would you want to do it any other
way?

because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck?

Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing
it in a pile on the deck.

It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that
go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use
a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon.

We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We
don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes
and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there.
All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff
together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has
made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to
stay together.

Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything
in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it
of the tools that go there.


grandma Rosalie

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

"Rosalie B." wrote

Seems like common sense to me. Why would you want to do it any other
way?

Because no one will set foot on Jax' boat.

Scott

porta-bote or inflatable?
 

"Rosalie B." wrote

Seems like common sense to me. Why would you want to do it any other
way?

Because no one will set foot on Jax' boat.

Scott