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porta-bote or inflatable?
grandma, you have a bigger boat than I do.
If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them help? and if one person is doing it, it takes longer Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is reasonably efficient. Why would you want to do it any other way? because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck? Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing it in a pile on the deck. It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon. We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there. All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to stay together. Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it of the tools that go there. grandma Rosalie |
porta-bote or inflatable?
grandma, you have a bigger boat than I do.
If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them help? and if one person is doing it, it takes longer Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is reasonably efficient. Why would you want to do it any other way? because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck? Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing it in a pile on the deck. It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon. We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there. All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to stay together. Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it of the tools that go there. grandma Rosalie |
porta-bote or inflatable?
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porta-bote or inflatable?
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porta-bote or inflatable?
sorry, grandma, but to me a bunch of stuff on the deck of a boat looks like "a
pile" to me. the portabote and the stuff to put it together both stored on the deck, that means that it is 'in a pile' as if that was an unsightly and inappropriate way to store it. The portabote has mostly been stored along the lifelines and that's the way a lot of people stow them. We have a whole bunch of stuff on the deck (as we do have a larger boat) because we are cruising, which includes jerry jugs for fuel (2 for diesel and one for the outboard), two outboards, two folding bikes in bags, the air bottles for scuba in a box, and a couple of solar panels. We also have our docklines and hose on pinrails. The portabote stuff is in a sunbrella bag which is also on the deck. Currently it's under the staysail boom on the cabin top, but it could also go on the lifelines if we didn't have the jerry jugs there. If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them help? and if one person is doing it, it takes longer Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is reasonably efficient. Why would you want to do it any other way? because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck? Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing it in a pile on the deck. It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon. We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there. All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to stay together. Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it of the tools that go there. grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie |
porta-bote or inflatable?
sorry, grandma, but to me a bunch of stuff on the deck of a boat looks like "a
pile" to me. the portabote and the stuff to put it together both stored on the deck, that means that it is 'in a pile' as if that was an unsightly and inappropriate way to store it. The portabote has mostly been stored along the lifelines and that's the way a lot of people stow them. We have a whole bunch of stuff on the deck (as we do have a larger boat) because we are cruising, which includes jerry jugs for fuel (2 for diesel and one for the outboard), two outboards, two folding bikes in bags, the air bottles for scuba in a box, and a couple of solar panels. We also have our docklines and hose on pinrails. The portabote stuff is in a sunbrella bag which is also on the deck. Currently it's under the staysail boom on the cabin top, but it could also go on the lifelines if we didn't have the jerry jugs there. If there are two people there, shouldn't both of them help? and if one person is doing it, it takes longer Probably true, but I doubt if it takes 3 times as long if one is reasonably efficient. Why would you want to do it any other way? because I don't want to store all that stuff in a pile on deck? Having all the stuff gathered in one place does NOT equal to storing it in a pile on the deck. It's like anything else that you store. You put all the things that go together into a storage place together. You put the things you use a lot on the top of things you only use once in a blue moon. We have all the oil and antifreeze and engine stuff in one locker. We don't store tuna fish cans in there with it. We have all the dishes and pots and pans in one place and we don't put misc. tools in there. All the bread and paper products go in another locker (light stuff together) and if we have heavier stuff it goes on the bottom. Bob has made several canvas bags and they keep things together that need to stay together. Of course he's a big advocate of a place for everything and everything in its place. He's got a pegboard in the garage with outlines on it of the tools that go there. grandma Rosalie grandma Rosalie |
porta-bote or inflatable?
I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my
26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my
26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
In article , James Johnson says...
I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the way there during the day, but it was no problem in port. On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to carry an 8' Porta-Bote. Steve Christensen |
porta-bote or inflatable?
In article , James Johnson says...
I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the way there during the day, but it was no problem in port. On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to carry an 8' Porta-Bote. Steve Christensen |
porta-bote or inflatable?
Figure another 5 minutes to load people
and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, I have a Redcrest. About 20 minutes start to finish to drop it in the water. compared to about 60 minutes to drop the Porta-Bote in the water. No contest. Porta-Bote hands down. |
porta-bote or inflatable?
Figure another 5 minutes to load people
and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, I have a Redcrest. About 20 minutes start to finish to drop it in the water. compared to about 60 minutes to drop the Porta-Bote in the water. No contest. Porta-Bote hands down. |
porta-bote or inflatable?
If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine
Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine
Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
On 4 Apr 2004 19:04:06 -0700, Steve Christensen
wrote: In article , James Johnson says... I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the way there during the day, but it was no problem in port. On my boat there is nothing in the cabin longer than the 6'3" berths, so that wouldn't work. I would also think that it would interfere with the use of the cabin? How much of a PITA is it to haul in and out of the cabin? If I had a larger boat the portaboat would definitely be on my short list. Unfortunately for my pocket cruiser I've been unable to acceptable solve the storage issue. JJ On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to carry an 8' Porta-Bote. Steve Christensen James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
On 4 Apr 2004 19:04:06 -0700, Steve Christensen
wrote: In article , James Johnson says... I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. I used one of the older double ended Porta-Botes on a 23 footer with good results. In my case the companioway hatch was large enough that it was a simple matter to stow the hull laying down on the quarterberth. In the evening we would put the hull on deck alongside the cabin house. It would have been in the way there during the day, but it was no problem in port. On my boat there is nothing in the cabin longer than the 6'3" berths, so that wouldn't work. I would also think that it would interfere with the use of the cabin? How much of a PITA is it to haul in and out of the cabin? If I had a larger boat the portaboat would definitely be on my short list. Unfortunately for my pocket cruiser I've been unable to acceptable solve the storage issue. JJ On many boats the galley or something else might be in the way to get the hull into the quarterberth, but if you have a straight shot this was a great way to carry an 8' Porta-Bote. Steve Christensen James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad
thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad
thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
Doesn't change the windage profile of my boat. I Have had some
experience with boarding seas and have had no problem todate. Cheaper than davits, beats towing. Removes an obstacle from the working areas of the boat. Works for me till I find something better. $100.00. What you got to lose? On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:55:40 GMT, James Johnson wrote: What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
Doesn't change the windage profile of my boat. I Have had some
experience with boarding seas and have had no problem todate. Cheaper than davits, beats towing. Removes an obstacle from the working areas of the boat. Works for me till I find something better. $100.00. What you got to lose? On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:55:40 GMT, James Johnson wrote: What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:17:21 GMT, Marc wrote: If you are concerned about carrying the portabote, Johnson Marine Hardware makes a windsurfer carrier that attaches outboard of the lifle lines. I made a copy and it works well. Secure and no obstructions of the lifelines. On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:59:33 GMT, James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. JJ On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:13:29 GMT, Rosalie B. wrote: x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote: It takes me about 20-30 minutes the first time of the season -- mostly figuring things out again and working against the stiffness. After that, it's 10-15 minutes to set up or down all things in a pile on the shore, yup. On our deck the first time in a season it might take 20 minutes for the two of us to do it because it's been folded up and resists being unfolded. I don't think we've ever done it solo - usually the two of us working together. We don't pad the deck (never had any problem with black marks but maybe that's because we got it used and they've all worn off). We keep all the items needed to put it together in one bag which is also on the deck so we don't have to go looking for them. The little bits like bolts etc are in a smaller bag in the big bag. One of us holds the boat open - the other one puts in the center seat. That holds the boat open so that the rest of the stuff can be put together. The rest goes very quickly given that we have all the stuff there. After we put it together we launch it using the whisker pole as a crane. Does not take long to do that as the bridle attachments are already there. I don't know exactly how heavy it is, but it is difficult for me and Bob together to carry it fully rigged for any distance, and I CAN carry 50 lbs. If it is just the boat without the seats, we can carry it easily and Bob can pick it up by himself. The motors for both dinghys are on the aft rail unless we are using the dinghy. So the time to get and rig the motor will be the same regardless of which dinghy we are using. We also have a container of stuff that we need to use the dinghy (lights, PFDs, fire extinguisher etc). On the deck on my boat with seats, transom down below along with bolting hardwar, plus engine on the rear pulpit of my boat, plus the gas tank for the o/b engine, plus safety gear, plus rigging the harness to lift the Porta-Bote off my boat, plus lowering the bote, plus all else, well the time is a mite longer than on shore. grandma Rosalie James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply James Johnson remove the "dot" from after sail in email address to reply |
porta-bote or inflatable?
In article ,
James Johnson wrote: What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ I don't believe windage is a problem. Our PortaBote is on our side deck from splash to haul each year. It tried to escape once, but that was my fault. Even against the life lines, it doesn't increase the windage too much at anchor, and may help reduce sailing around the anchor. In summer squalls, if we're not at anchor then, I did something wrong; the PortaBote is low in the hierarchy of my worries if it's properly lashed. Most cruisers won't notice the extra windage under sail. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
porta-bote or inflatable?
In article ,
James Johnson wrote: What about windage? Would it be able to take 60 knot gusts from a bad thunderstorm? That is what I base my stowage requirement on. If I can't stow it to take that severe of a storm I don't take it with me. We can get a lot of thunderstorms on the Chesapeake. JJ I don't believe windage is a problem. Our PortaBote is on our side deck from splash to haul each year. It tried to escape once, but that was my fault. Even against the life lines, it doesn't increase the windage too much at anchor, and may help reduce sailing around the anchor. In summer squalls, if we're not at anchor then, I did something wrong; the PortaBote is low in the hierarchy of my worries if it's properly lashed. Most cruisers won't notice the extra windage under sail. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
porta-bote or inflatable?
x-no-archive:yes
James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. I looked at our bag with the seats, and it IS secured to the handrail on one side with bungee cords. Two points here. 1) We don't go out on the cabin top or foredeck when underway hardly ever because we have everything led back to the cockpit on purpose so we don't have to. 2) We always wear auto inflate life vests with harnesses when underway, and if the water is at all rough we are attached by a tether to the jacklines. So we don't rely on the handrails any more than we rely on the lifelines. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Our jib track and sheets are outside the lifelines (which is one reason the boat doesn't point as well as we can't bring the jib sheet inside the shrouds) and the lifelines are on top of a toe rail. The portabote can be either on the deck inside the toe rail, or actually up on the lifelines. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. We have a 5 foot draft and anchoring close to where we want to go (or to other people) isn't a priority. That's because everybody else wants to anchor close and we don't want to anchor close to other people. I don't understand why whenever someone anchors, everyone else comes in an gets right next to them even when there's lots of space that's just as good that isn't close to anyone. It's just as inexplicable as why people consistently come into a dock and just as they are turning into the slip suddenly discover that they will need lines - which they don't have rigged and they have to go diving into lockers to get. grandma Rosalie |
porta-bote or inflatable?
x-no-archive:yes
James Johnson wrote: I have an Avon Redcrest inflatable. A portaboat has some attraction but on my 26 footer there is no acceptable place to put it. The cabin top? On my boat the cabin top isn't big enough, an the link to some pictures showed one stowed on the cabin top but it also obstructed the handrails, which I won't do for safety reasons. I might need to be able to grab that handrail one day. I looked at our bag with the seats, and it IS secured to the handrail on one side with bungee cords. Two points here. 1) We don't go out on the cabin top or foredeck when underway hardly ever because we have everything led back to the cockpit on purpose so we don't have to. 2) We always wear auto inflate life vests with harnesses when underway, and if the water is at all rough we are attached by a tether to the jacklines. So we don't rely on the handrails any more than we rely on the lifelines. The lifelines? If I put it there it fouls the sheet leading the jib track and also would be an unacceptable obstruction to going forward on the side decks. YMMV, and larger boats would not have the same issues. Our jib track and sheets are outside the lifelines (which is one reason the boat doesn't point as well as we can't bring the jib sheet inside the shrouds) and the lifelines are on top of a toe rail. The portabote can be either on the deck inside the toe rail, or actually up on the lifelines. Set up time for my Avon: 5 minutes to pull stowage bag out of cockpit locker, unzip bag, unroll dinghy (it has a hard rollup floor with interlocking slats) 5 minutes to hook up pump and inflate 5 minutes to insert engine mount, mount engine (lightweight 4 hp 2 stroke), and throw in safety bag (contains flares, lines, battery nav lights, anchor, life jackets, handheld vhf) This is a total of about 15 minutes. Figure another 5 minutes to load people and cargo. It is a small handy inflatable. Of course a Redcrest can't plane, but if you have that much need for speed why do you have a sailboat? My boat has a draft of 2 1/2 feet with the centerboard up so I can anchor in pretty close to where I want to go. We have a 5 foot draft and anchoring close to where we want to go (or to other people) isn't a priority. That's because everybody else wants to anchor close and we don't want to anchor close to other people. I don't understand why whenever someone anchors, everyone else comes in an gets right next to them even when there's lots of space that's just as good that isn't close to anyone. It's just as inexplicable as why people consistently come into a dock and just as they are turning into the slip suddenly discover that they will need lines - which they don't have rigged and they have to go diving into lockers to get. grandma Rosalie |
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