On Jun 28, 5:54*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

Bob

Is this why your Internet address uses the name Freya, a major goddess
in Norse Paganism?

Bruce-in-Bangkok


Hello Bankok Bruce:

Actually, its the name the boat maker named them. But ya, the designer
was named Halvorson so the Freya reference. When I went boat shoping I
new the qualities I wanted and the broker said, well kid sounds like
you need a Freya. the Ingrids and West Sails seemed a bit pudggy so I
bought the Freya.

bob

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On Jun 28, 5:54*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

Bob

Is this why your Internet address uses the name Freya, a major goddess
in Norse Paganism?

Bruce-in-Bangkok


Hello Bankok Bruce:

Actually, its the name the boat maker named them. But ya, the designer
was named Halvorson so the Freya reference. When I went boat shoping I
new the qualities I wanted and the broker said, well kid sounds like
you need a Freya. the Ingrids and West Sails seemed a bit pudggy so I
bought the Freya.

bob

As In Norse mythology, Freya is a goddess of love and fertility, and
the most beautiful and propitious of the goddesses, the patron goddess
of crops and birth and the symbol of sensuality and was called upon in
matters of love it sounds like an ideal name for a boat.

Particularly for those who are prone to carry young things wearing
string bikinis on the foredeck. At least until your Missus catches you
:-)


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Sad, chauvinistic, sexist, sicko, biased, illogical, unfeeling,
generalistic, politically incorrect, no empathy, no understanding.

---- But (unfortunately) usually true.

Jim



Gregory Hall wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and sailing
just don't mix. It's a crying shame that some sailormen are burdened with
women that they will never be able to please but have to carry as a burden.

This is what I am referring to. Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

So, right away it seems that the poor man is viewed as irrational for
wanting the boat he wanted, not what she wanted. Right off the bat, a
source of contention?

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home. BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp out
on the water."

Again the poor man's sailing is ruled by a spouse who doesn't even like
sailing. She finds it 'boring.' She only tags along because she thinks
she's wanted. She'd rather be at home but in lieu of home she wants a
floating home. While her loyalty is admirable, being a man myself, I think I
would quickly come to understand that she wasn't really too keen on sailing
and that she was doing it only because she thought I needed her. This would
do little to bolster my self-esteem and it would make me feel like I had to
carry the entire burden when sailing. How could I really enjoy sailing when
I knew my mate didn't enjoy it? How could I enjoy sailing when I had to sail
a floating home with a new problem to address every day just to make her
happy? Sort of ruins the experience for a man, doesn't it?

And she continues: "It's not that fixed a schedule - it is only that if we
don't go to a marina, one of us has to cook, and that's not going to be me.
So I try to plan so that we can go somewhere that Bob doesn't mind going and
I would like to see and where we can pull in and go to a restaurant for
dinner. A plan is not the same as a schedule."

A woman who doesn't cook? What's up with that? What good is a woman who
doesn't cook aboard a boat? The poor man! He must be a saint to put up with
what he puts up with. Even to the extent that he has to sail the boat to
places just because she wants to see them or to eat at a particular
restaurant. I couldn't live like that, could you?

Then there's this gem: "I don't like outboards (we have two), and I've never
claimed to be a sailor - pure or any other kind."

Imagine how the poor husband feels. He has a wife who proudly proclaims
she's no sailor. In other words the entire burden is his. Not only that, but
along with his woman comes a lot of baggage, so much so that one cannot see
overtaking vessels because of the large and high pile of stuff abaft the
helm that can't be seen over. Not only is this dangerous but it's
unnecessary if only the woman was a sailor. A sailor would not abide
dangerous conditions such as that, would they?

My intent is NOT to pick on Rosalie because, in many ways, she's a loyal and
remarkable woman. But, my intent is to simply point out how women and
sailing don't mix. It really is too bad that this is so often the case. Is
it any wonder that real men are so often found plying the oceans of the
world lone handing?

Wilbur Hubbard

"JimC" wrote in message
...
Sad, chauvinistic, sexist, sicko, biased, illogical, unfeeling,
generalistic, politically incorrect, no empathy, no understanding.

---- But (unfortunately) usually true.

Jim


trolling bs removed

Not in my experience.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

My intent is NOT to pick on Rosalie because, in many ways, she's a loyal and
remarkable woman. But, my intent is to simply point out how women and
sailing don't mix. It really is too bad that this is so often the case. Is
it any wonder that real men are so often found plying the oceans of the
world lone handing?

Wilbur Hubbard

As usual Wilbur tgets it wrong again.

Women have been sailing on boats since boats were invented. Both
trading and whaling ships sailing out of New England frequently
carried the Captain's wife along. There were women sailing (albeit in
the guise of men) on Royal Navy ships during the Napoleonic wars.
Obviously the very early exploration voyages of the Pacific Island
natives must have carried women ... how else did they colonize the
newly discovered Islands? The Maori settlers in New Zealand brought
their wives. Eskimo women even have their own type of boats. If you
visit Europe and have a look at the channel barges you will find that
many have husband-wife crews.

It is possible to go on and on but why? The intelligent reader
understands while the fool will never learns.

One wonders about the vehemence with which Wilbur writes about women,
witness his tirades about Peggy, one of the most knowledgable people
posting about boat waste disposal, or his declamation above. It makes
one wonder where this antagonism comes from?

However, if one considers the lemon yellow toy boat with the mauve
interior and couples it with the obvious apathy toward women that
Wilbur so frequently evidences one can imagine at least one scenario.

As Rolf Harris, the Australian song writer and entertainer has it:

He's might like a rose,
He wears his sister's clothes,
We don't know what to call him, but,
We think he is one of those.




A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:34:46 -0400, "Gregory Hall"
wrote:

A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and sailing
just don't mix. It's a crying shame that some sailormen are burdened with
women that they will never be able to please but have to carry as a burden.

This is what I am referring to. Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

So, right away it seems that the poor man is viewed as irrational for
wanting the boat he wanted, not what she wanted. Right off the bat, a
source of contention?

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home. BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp out
on the water."

Again the poor man's sailing is ruled by a spouse who doesn't even like
sailing. She finds it 'boring.' She only tags along because she thinks
she's wanted. She'd rather be at home but in lieu of home she wants a
floating home. While her loyalty is admirable, being a man myself, I think I
would quickly come to understand that she wasn't really too keen on sailing
and that she was doing it only because she thought I needed her. This would
do little to bolster my self-esteem and it would make me feel like I had to
carry the entire burden when sailing. How could I really enjoy sailing when
I knew my mate didn't enjoy it? How could I enjoy sailing when I had to sail
a floating home with a new problem to address every day just to make her
happy? Sort of ruins the experience for a man, doesn't it?

And she continues: "It's not that fixed a schedule - it is only that if we
don't go to a marina, one of us has to cook, and that's not going to be me.
So I try to plan so that we can go somewhere that Bob doesn't mind going and
I would like to see and where we can pull in and go to a restaurant for
dinner. A plan is not the same as a schedule."

A woman who doesn't cook? What's up with that? What good is a woman who
doesn't cook aboard a boat? The poor man! He must be a saint to put up with
what he puts up with. Even to the extent that he has to sail the boat to
places just because she wants to see them or to eat at a particular
restaurant. I couldn't live like that, could you?

Then there's this gem: "I don't like outboards (we have two), and I've never
claimed to be a sailor - pure or any other kind."

Imagine how the poor husband feels. He has a wife who proudly proclaims
she's no sailor. In other words the entire burden is his. Not only that, but
along with his woman comes a lot of baggage, so much so that one cannot see
overtaking vessels because of the large and high pile of stuff abaft the
helm that can't be seen over. Not only is this dangerous but it's
unnecessary if only the woman was a sailor. A sailor would not abide
dangerous conditions such as that, would they?

My intent is NOT to pick on Rosalie because, in many ways, she's a loyal and
remarkable woman. But, my intent is to simply point out how women and
sailing don't mix. It really is too bad that this is so often the case. Is
it any wonder that real men are so often found plying the oceans of the
world lone handing?

Wilbur Hubbard


Is this the onset of dementia brought on by advancing years Neal? You
need to take the time to keep those socks all sorted and matched up.
The puppet show just loses something if the director can't keep up
with the socks.

Frank

Frank B wrote:
Is this the onset of dementia brought on by advancing years Neal? You
need to take the time to keep those socks all sorted and matched up.
The puppet show just loses something if the director can't keep up
with the socks.


It's a mix-n-match sockpuppet show. FWIW I think the original Crapton
is long gone, this is some wanna-be.

But it's been a long standing problem, Boobsprit used to mix up his
various "stage names" also.

DSK