Bruce in Bangkok wrote

Seems kind of sick to me; Wilie-boy extolling the merits of his
alter-ego Capt. Neil and supported by his host of alternative
personalities. Multiple Personality Syndrome.

Not! Just a host of devoted fans!


Wilbur Hubbard


Wliile-boy, didn't your mama teach you that it was a sin to tell a
lie?

O.K., you screwed up and forgot to change your signature and you got
caught. Stop making excuses, just say you're sorry for the mistake and
move on. And next time be a little more careful.

Multiple personalities aren't life threatening and they are treatable
so be of good heart and see your psychologist.

You got to feel sorry for someone that has to make up their on line
friends to talk to. Poor Neal.

On Jun 27, 2:34*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and sailing
just don't mix. *

. Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. *But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

Ugg!

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. *I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. *I would be just as happy at home.


People who are not honest and open. Typical passive aggessive
behavior.


*BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp out
on the water."

And so proliferate the Winabagos of the Sea....

Did granny Rosie really post the above??? Are her quotes
accurate ?!?!?!?
I could care less about the who is what puppet crap. get back to the
real problem here "women on boats."
I ahve to agree most married guys with a boat are whipped. I would nt
say women have no place on boats Id say, "fat ignorant bitches" have
no buisness on board.

Ive met lots of qualified women who are great on board! Met a great
26 woman who was an AB on one of thoes big traditional sail boat. I
shook her had and it was a callased vise ! Smart...... strong.... way
cute and able...

My advise. dump the ignorant cows and date a women in her 20s. Ive
been dating a 23 yo and she is fun ! These "new women" grew up playing
soccer. lots are great jocks. I doubt shell ever turn into one of
thoes 50+ year old fat helpless cows i read about here. But who
cares... Il be dead by then

In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

Bob

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Jun 27, 2:34 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and
sailing
just don't mix.

Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

Ugg!

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home.

People who are not honest and open. Typical passive aggessive
behavior.

BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp
out
on the water."

And so proliferate the Winabagos of the Sea....

Exactly correct to the detriment of what sailing is really all about. And it
ain't floating some condo so you have all the conveniences of home along on
the trip. If you have to take all that crap with you to be happy then just
STAY home.

Did granny Rosie really post the above??? Are her quotes
accurate ?!?!?!?

Yes, I quoted her exactly. Her post appeared on 6-26 in rec.boats.cruising
under the " Boat Problem Question" thread. "Rosalie B."
wrote in message
... -----There's the
message number.

I could care less about the who is what puppet crap. get back to the
real problem here "women on boats."
I ahve to agree most married guys with a boat are whipped. I would nt
say women have no place on boats Id say, "fat ignorant bitches" have
no buisness on board.

I have no knowledge of the body type of Rosalie B. but that's none of my
business anyway. She sounds like a typical woman of her age and quite set in
her ways. But she also sounds quite loyal and willing to help out her
husband which is laudable. What I do not think is helpful to a sailing
relationship is the way she makes it known that she sails more out of
loyalty than for any real love or even like of sailing.

If a woman did this to me I would find myself telling her to just stay home
then. I think I would enjoy myself more by myself because seeing her around
the boat would just be a reminder that she's not really very happy to be
there. This would make me unhappy myself. But, perhaps her husband doesn't
get those feelings or has other good reasons for wanting her company?

However, I think the attitude of Rosalie B. is very typical of most woman
who "bless" their men with their presence on their sailboats. I don't know
about you but if I don't have an enthusiastic partner then why bother having
a partner?

As for fat women, I have an aversion to them, too. Show me a fat woman and I
will show a woman who lacks self-esteem, has health problems, has
handicapped herself, has no will power and is undesirable sexually. Just not
my cup of tea. I feel so sorry for married men stuck with fat wives who
force them to take Viagra so they can "perform" without ever realizing that
the Viagra would never be needed provided a sexy, slender, fit, athletic
young woman was available. So the man gets (and accepts) the blame and is
accused of having erectile dysfunction because the woman is unenthusiastic,
obese and a turn-off. When will men grow a pair and render the lard?

Ive met lots of qualified women who are great on board! Met a great
26 woman who was an AB on one of thoes big traditional sail boat. I
shook her ha[n]d and it was a callased vise ! Smart...... strong.... way
cute and able...

That's the kind of woman every good captain wants to have aboard a vessel.
And I bet she likes to cook and is a good cook as well. But the main thing
is she's there because she wants to be there and that attitude goes a long
way towards making a man feel good about being there, too.

My advise. dump the ignorant cows and date a women in her 20s. Ive
been dating a 23 yo and she is fun ! These "new women" grew up playing
soccer. lots are great jocks. I doubt shell ever turn into one of
thoes 50+ year old fat helpless cows i read about here. But who
cares... Il be dead by then

Yes, if any older gentleman can find a young woman to play with he will get
a new lease on life whether aboard of ashore. I train with a younger woman
who is a triathlete. She can out run me and outswim me but I can outbike
her. I'm about four minutes faster than her in a 16K time trials and about
eight minutes faster in a 40K time trials. But her enthusiasm is contagious.
And her body is very stimulating just to look at it. I get disgusted looking
at old fat woman and sex becomes the furthest thing from my mind but with a
young, fit, athletic woman it puts lead in my pencil.


In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

I'd say, for the most part, woman have no place aboard a sailing vessel.
There are exceptions, however. The exceptions, by my standards, would be
young, fit, enthusiastic, competent, strong and sexy younger women. This
type enjoys working their body, sweating and overcoming problems. This type
loves to be sailing and she shows it. This type, after a hard days sail,
will crawl into your berth all rearing to go after one of the other great
pleasures in her life - unabashed enthusiastic sex. This type knows she
looks great naked and knows it turns a man on. Unfortunately this type is
one in a million.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

I'd say, for the most part, woman have no place aboard a sailing vessel.
There are exceptions, however. The exceptions, by my standards, would be
young, fit, enthusiastic, competent, strong and sexy younger women. This
type enjoys working their body, sweating and overcoming problems. This type
loves to be sailing and she shows it. This type, after a hard days sail,
will crawl into your berth all rearing to go


That's utterly brilliant. Best comedy I have read in the usenet in a
long time. Keep it up "Wilbur".


Ciao,
SM
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does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously.
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Bob wrote:

On Jun 27, 2:34*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and sailing
just don't mix. *

. Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. *But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

Ugg!

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. *I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. *I would be just as happy at home.


People who are not honest and open. Typical passive aggessive
behavior.

What happened was - Bob decided that we would charter a boat because
he wanted to have a boat to sail down to the Virgin Islands, and
wanted to see if I would be OK with that. So we chartered a CSY (we
did a crewed charter) and he fell in love with the boat, and before I
had decided whether I wanted to go sailing or not, we (he) had already
bought the boat. He isn't going to get to sail down to the Virgin
Islands though unless he is willing to have at least one more person
as crew because I'm chicken to do it by ourselves. Or unless he
decides to go solo. But he doesn't want anyone else on the boat but
the two of us and I really don't think he wants to go by himself or he
would have done it by now..

He's done that kind of thing before. In the first 40 years of our
marriage he bought and restored two 1932 Plymouths, and we have toted
all that car stuff all over the country while he was in the Navy. Then
he decided to convert a regular car to run on batteries. So he did
that. He's got a million projects. I just let him do them - I don't
complain. I'm not whiney. I support him. But I certainly never
would have been interested in those things on my own.

Today, he put the cutlass bearing back on the boat, and I came down to
help him put the flange back on. He put ice packs on the shaft, and I
heated the flange up with a torch. He put it on inside the boat and I
hammered it in from the outside. Then we put the Max-Prop back on,
although it took us three or four tries to get it right. It needed
two people/four hands to do those things, and mine were there to do
them.
..

Brilliant!

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:41:22 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On Jun 27, 2:34*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and sailing
just don't mix. *

. Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. *But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

Ugg!

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. *I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. *I would be just as happy at home.


People who are not honest and open. Typical passive aggessive
behavior.


*BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp out
on the water."

And so proliferate the Winabagos of the Sea....

Did granny Rosie really post the above??? Are her quotes
accurate ?!?!?!?
I could care less about the who is what puppet crap. get back to the
real problem here "women on boats."
I ahve to agree most married guys with a boat are whipped. I would nt
say women have no place on boats Id say, "fat ignorant bitches" have
no buisness on board.

Ive met lots of qualified women who are great on board! Met a great
26 woman who was an AB on one of thoes big traditional sail boat. I
shook her had and it was a callased vise ! Smart...... strong.... way
cute and able...

My advise. dump the ignorant cows and date a women in her 20s. Ive
been dating a 23 yo and she is fun ! These "new women" grew up playing
soccer. lots are great jocks. I doubt shell ever turn into one of
thoes 50+ year old fat helpless cows i read about here. But who
cares... Il be dead by then

In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

Bob



Is this why your Internet address uses the name Freya, a major goddess
in Norse Paganism?

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:21:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Jun 27, 2:34 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and
sailing
just don't mix.

Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

Ugg!

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home.

People who are not honest and open. Typical passive aggessive
behavior.

BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp
out
on the water."

And so proliferate the Winabagos of the Sea....

Exactly correct to the detriment of what sailing is really all about. And it
ain't floating some condo so you have all the conveniences of home along on
the trip. If you have to take all that crap with you to be happy then just
STAY home.

Did granny Rosie really post the above??? Are her quotes
accurate ?!?!?!?

Yes, I quoted her exactly. Her post appeared on 6-26 in rec.boats.cruising
under the " Boat Problem Question" thread. "Rosalie B."
wrote in message
.. . -----There's the
message number.

I could care less about the who is what puppet crap. get back to the
real problem here "women on boats."
I ahve to agree most married guys with a boat are whipped. I would nt
say women have no place on boats Id say, "fat ignorant bitches" have
no buisness on board.

I have no knowledge of the body type of Rosalie B. but that's none of my
business anyway. She sounds like a typical woman of her age and quite set in
her ways. But she also sounds quite loyal and willing to help out her
husband which is laudable. What I do not think is helpful to a sailing
relationship is the way she makes it known that she sails more out of
loyalty than for any real love or even like of sailing.

If a woman did this to me I would find myself telling her to just stay home
then. I think I would enjoy myself more by myself because seeing her around
the boat would just be a reminder that she's not really very happy to be
there. This would make me unhappy myself. But, perhaps her husband doesn't
get those feelings or has other good reasons for wanting her company?

However, I think the attitude of Rosalie B. is very typical of most woman
who "bless" their men with their presence on their sailboats. I don't know
about you but if I don't have an enthusiastic partner then why bother having
a partner?

As for fat women, I have an aversion to them, too. Show me a fat woman and I
will show a woman who lacks self-esteem, has health problems, has
handicapped herself, has no will power and is undesirable sexually. Just not
my cup of tea. I feel so sorry for married men stuck with fat wives who
force them to take Viagra so they can "perform" without ever realizing that
the Viagra would never be needed provided a sexy, slender, fit, athletic
young woman was available. So the man gets (and accepts) the blame and is
accused of having erectile dysfunction because the woman is unenthusiastic,
obese and a turn-off. When will men grow a pair and render the lard?

Ive met lots of qualified women who are great on board! Met a great
26 woman who was an AB on one of thoes big traditional sail boat. I
shook her ha[n]d and it was a callased vise ! Smart...... strong.... way
cute and able...

That's the kind of woman every good captain wants to have aboard a vessel.
And I bet she likes to cook and is a good cook as well. But the main thing
is she's there because she wants to be there and that attitude goes a long
way towards making a man feel good about being there, too.

My advise. dump the ignorant cows and date a women in her 20s. Ive
been dating a 23 yo and she is fun ! These "new women" grew up playing
soccer. lots are great jocks. I doubt shell ever turn into one of
thoes 50+ year old fat helpless cows i read about here. But who
cares... Il be dead by then

Yes, if any older gentleman can find a young woman to play with he will get
a new lease on life whether aboard of ashore. I train with a younger woman
who is a triathlete. She can out run me and outswim me but I can outbike
her. I'm about four minutes faster than her in a 16K time trials and about
eight minutes faster in a 40K time trials. But her enthusiasm is contagious.
And her body is very stimulating just to look at it. I get disgusted looking
at old fat woman and sex becomes the furthest thing from my mind but with a
young, fit, athletic woman it puts lead in my pencil.


In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

I'd say, for the most part, woman have no place aboard a sailing vessel.
There are exceptions, however. The exceptions, by my standards, would be
young, fit, enthusiastic, competent, strong and sexy younger women. This
type enjoys working their body, sweating and overcoming problems. This type
loves to be sailing and she shows it. This type, after a hard days sail,
will crawl into your berth all rearing to go after one of the other great
pleasures in her life - unabashed enthusiastic sex. This type knows she
looks great naked and knows it turns a man on. Unfortunately this type is
one in a million.

Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur The Buffoon speaks! And the world listens?

But, pray tell, what would you - the owner of a lemon yellow boat with
a mauve interior do with a sexy young girl?

I mean Mauve? A manly color, right? One of your little "friends" down
to the Leather Bar must have turned you on to that colour scheme..
right?



A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.

On Jun 28, 5:54*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

In conclusion, women DO have a place on a boat. Jus not the old fat
cows.....

Bob

Is this why your Internet address uses the name Freya, a major goddess
in Norse Paganism?

Bruce-in-Bangkok


Hello Bankok Bruce:

Actually, its the name the boat maker named them. But ya, the designer
was named Halvorson so the Freya reference. When I went boat shoping I
new the qualities I wanted and the broker said, well kid sounds like
you need a Freya. the Ingrids and West Sails seemed a bit pudggy so I
bought the Freya.

bob

Sad, chauvinistic, sexist, sicko, biased, illogical, unfeeling,
generalistic, politically incorrect, no empathy, no understanding.

---- But (unfortunately) usually true.

Jim



Gregory Hall wrote:
A recent posting by Rosalie B. solidified my opinion that women and sailing
just don't mix. It's a crying shame that some sailormen are burdened with
women that they will never be able to please but have to carry as a burden.

This is what I am referring to. Rosalie B. wrote: "I would have said a
smaller boat myself - either a CSY 33 or 37. But that's not what Bob
wanted, and the love of a specific boat isn't rational."

So, right away it seems that the poor man is viewed as irrational for
wanting the boat he wanted, not what she wanted. Right off the bat, a
source of contention?

And then she wrote this: "I find both sailing and fishing a little bit
boring. I go with Bob because I think he wants me to go, and I think he
needs me to go. I would be just as happy at home. BUT - if I go sailing, I
want a boat that is comfortable to live on, not just someplace to camp out
on the water."

Again the poor man's sailing is ruled by a spouse who doesn't even like
sailing. She finds it 'boring.' She only tags along because she thinks
she's wanted. She'd rather be at home but in lieu of home she wants a
floating home. While her loyalty is admirable, being a man myself, I think I
would quickly come to understand that she wasn't really too keen on sailing
and that she was doing it only because she thought I needed her. This would
do little to bolster my self-esteem and it would make me feel like I had to
carry the entire burden when sailing. How could I really enjoy sailing when
I knew my mate didn't enjoy it? How could I enjoy sailing when I had to sail
a floating home with a new problem to address every day just to make her
happy? Sort of ruins the experience for a man, doesn't it?

And she continues: "It's not that fixed a schedule - it is only that if we
don't go to a marina, one of us has to cook, and that's not going to be me.
So I try to plan so that we can go somewhere that Bob doesn't mind going and
I would like to see and where we can pull in and go to a restaurant for
dinner. A plan is not the same as a schedule."

A woman who doesn't cook? What's up with that? What good is a woman who
doesn't cook aboard a boat? The poor man! He must be a saint to put up with
what he puts up with. Even to the extent that he has to sail the boat to
places just because she wants to see them or to eat at a particular
restaurant. I couldn't live like that, could you?

Then there's this gem: "I don't like outboards (we have two), and I've never
claimed to be a sailor - pure or any other kind."

Imagine how the poor husband feels. He has a wife who proudly proclaims
she's no sailor. In other words the entire burden is his. Not only that, but
along with his woman comes a lot of baggage, so much so that one cannot see
overtaking vessels because of the large and high pile of stuff abaft the
helm that can't be seen over. Not only is this dangerous but it's
unnecessary if only the woman was a sailor. A sailor would not abide
dangerous conditions such as that, would they?

My intent is NOT to pick on Rosalie because, in many ways, she's a loyal and
remarkable woman. But, my intent is to simply point out how women and
sailing don't mix. It really is too bad that this is so often the case. Is
it any wonder that real men are so often found plying the oceans of the
world lone handing?

Wilbur Hubbard