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When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection... HANG UP!! ____ UGYAiMGRr
When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ...THEN you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There is no good political party anymore ...was there ever? Brian "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news_D9c.1662$9g.314@lakeread04... Larry W4CSC wrote: I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston, SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I can communicate on the phone. The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just to go to Charleston. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection... HANG UP!! (somewhat off topic)
When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs
letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ...THEN you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There is no good political party anymore ...was there ever? Brian We'll see people speaking English? Contemplate for only a moment how and why English exists in the first place. It's a ******* tongue built from scraps of Latin, Celtic, Saxon, Greek, German, French, Norse, etc. "English" has changed more in the last 250 years than since the 10th, 11th, or whatever century one could say we began to see a language that roughly resembles English as we currently understand it. English features one of the most extensive and complex vocabularies in contemporary use. (If I recall correctly, we have 2-3 times as many words in the lexicon as some other romance languages with Latin heritages.). The result: our language is one of the most admired throughout the world. It is an excellent written language, as there is less need to hear vocal inflection to distinguish between conflicting meanings of words. Our language structure allows us to define our exact meaning with modification and context, rather than hand gestures or intonation. We should embrace the foreign speakers, and see what they can bring to our fabulous English smorgasbord. If we close our language to the inclusion of new ideas, it will shrink. English has become what it is (and what people hope to preserve) precisely by including additional languages. The presence of foreign languages in our midst enhances, rather than detracts, from the rich body of the English language. I say, "bring 'em on!" (oops...somebody else recently made that line famous).... Sorry for the off topic rant......bad habit left over from an old newsgroup! |
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When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection... HANG UP!! (somewhat off topic)
Gould 0738 wrote in message ... snip... I say, "bring 'em on!" (oops...somebody else recently made that line famous).... Sorry for the off topic rant......bad habit left over from an old newsgroup! Keep that up Chuck and you may encourage a few of your old 'sparring partners' from that other newsgroup to show up. :-) |
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When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection...HANG UP!! ____ UGYAiMGRr
You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you
probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even getting to a vote. Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched him swim the Rio Grand. More will keep coming in unless we pay a lot more in taxes or give up some of the social programs that this welfare state we live is addicted to. The border patrol officer have to all go back to the station at shift change because they are not funded well enough to have vehicles that can relieve on station. Their budget did not increase with everything else for most of the last decade. The only tax break given to companies that "offshore" product is the relief they get from not having to deal with multilayer taxes (taxes paid on other taxes) and incredible state bureaucracies. You can't Excise tax an import only, but you can impost a duty or import tax. But, any the US does this the WTO rules it as "exclusionary" or "protectionist" and authorizes duties on US goods (usually farm products) that far exceed the value of the duty. This even occurs when a product is produced by a state-owner or subsidized company. If you are going to live in this country much longer, you better learn to love speaking Spanish. The USA does not have any law, code or rules that determine a national language. That is why ballots for all elections (including federal) and driver's examinations have to be available any language. Pubic schools can must provide instruction in the student's families' language of choice. You can not say native language, because many are third or forth generation citizens. As a country - we will be torn apart by the “acceptance of cultural diversity” that many think is so valuable. This country has stopped trying to be the melting pot that made us the power we once were and is set to be come a crazy quilt where everyone of free from any chance of being offended by anything. Enjoy it while it lasts. Democracy will last until the populace discover that they can vote themselves emoluments from the public treasury. - Thomas Macaulay Brian D wrote: When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ...THEN you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There is no good political party anymore ...was there ever? Brian "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news_D9c.1662$9g.314@lakeread04... Larry W4CSC wrote: I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston, SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I can communicate on the phone. The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just to go to Charleston. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection... HANG UP!! ____ UGYAiMGRr
No, I didn't vote for 'it'. Not unless some politician was mis-representing his/herself. However, you make a lot of good points and illustrate how screwed up things have become ...maybe hopelessly so. As a professional who has on many occasions worked directly to 'offshore' the work that we all wish was here (you have to do what you are told), I got the impression that the primary reasons were taxes/cost on product produced, not so much the labor cost differences. At least in the world of high volume manufacturing, that's the way it was. Now I'm in a part of the company that requires lower volume manufacturing, much of it 'manual automation' (uh huh), and there was never any consideration for having it in the United States. Personally, I'd rather live through a recession/depression and start over. Don't export unless they buy more than they sell. Why can some nutless country operate with a trade deficit that works against the US and we don't turn it around? Don't import unless there are enough duties on the goods to make them as expensive as similar products in the US. F*&# the middle east and produce our own oil. We'd have to drill some additional known areas ...but how low do you think they'd drop the price if they knew they had to? Remember? WE use the majority of the oil ...why are we being man-handled by *them*? When is the big gorilla going to look in the mirror and realize it's strength? Want to see willing workers to 'displace' the illegal immigrants? Kill welfare. Done. Lots of willing workers. Go back to the idea of poor farms ....don't like hoeing beets and living in bunk beds with 49 other people at a time? Get a job. Protectionist? Too bad. We consume the most and have the most leverage. They can play strong arm games for a little while, but they'll eventually figure out who the big boys are. Brian "taxpayer" wrote in message ... You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even getting to a vote. Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched him swim the Rio Grand. More will keep coming in unless we pay a lot more in taxes or give up some of the social programs that this welfare state we live is addicted to. The border patrol officer have to all go back to the station at shift change because they are not funded well enough to have vehicles that can relieve on station. Their budget did not increase with everything else for most of the last decade. The only tax break given to companies that "offshore" product is the relief they get from not having to deal with multilayer taxes (taxes paid on other taxes) and incredible state bureaucracies. You can't Excise tax an import only, but you can impost a duty or import tax. But, any the US does this the WTO rules it as "exclusionary" or "protectionist" and authorizes duties on US goods (usually farm products) that far exceed the value of the duty. This even occurs when a product is produced by a state-owner or subsidized company. If you are going to live in this country much longer, you better learn to love speaking Spanish. The USA does not have any law, code or rules that determine a national language. That is why ballots for all elections (including federal) and driver's examinations have to be available any language. Pubic schools can must provide instruction in the student's families' language of choice. You can not say native language, because many are third or forth generation citizens. As a country - we will be torn apart by the “acceptance of cultural diversity” that many think is so valuable. This country has stopped trying to be the melting pot that made us the power we once were and is set to be come a crazy quilt where everyone of free from any chance of being offended by anything. Enjoy it while it lasts. Democracy will last until the populace discover that they can vote themselves emoluments from the public treasury. - Thomas Macaulay Brian D wrote: When our government QUITs letting illegal people remain here and QUITs letting more in, and QUITs giving tax breaks to corporations moving operations overseas and STARTs imposing high excise taxes on import ....THEN you'll see American speaking English and working American jobs. There is no good political party anymore ...was there ever? Brian "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news_D9c.1662$9g.314@lakeread04... Larry W4CSC wrote: I've had to learn two new languages, here in Charleston, SC.....Spanish, so I can communicate on the street....and Hindi so I can communicate on the phone. The thing is Larry, all the rest of us have to learn a new language just to go to Charleston. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection...HANG UP!! ____ UGYAiMGRr
Brian D wrote: We consume the most and have the most leverage. Therin lies a big part of the problem. We can't be both the biggest consumer and the biggest exporter. We over-consume and end up having to live with a huge trade deficit. It's our own fault. |
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When You Hear The Heavy Accent & The Poor Phone Connection... HANG UP!!
"taxpayer" wrote in message ... You voted for it and you got it. If you didn't vote for George 43, you probably did vote for one of the senators that is keeping him for getting the federal courts back to required staffing. The senate has even prevented judicial nominees that slick Willie proposed from even getting to a vote. Illegals get to stay in this country because it costs us a small fortune in legal fees to get anybody deported, even if the officers just watched him swim the Rio Grand. Being rather close to the border action, I would say that the real reason we have such a large permanent illegal alien population is the pandering of the political parties (mostly the Democrats, with their concept on "inclusiveness" to achieve power) to the loud-mouth, seditious Chicano activists. They promise to deliver the Latin vote, garnering special privileges and favoritism that's cancerous to our republic. Meanwhile, the activists encourage non-assimilation into our culture, as this would erode their own power base. Through all the talk, and double-talk, the Mexican population of America grows by maybe 1.5M per year. Spanish ballots, drivers' licenses for illegals, public documents doubled in size to accommodate a Spanish translation, bilingual education, money for "arts" programs that celebrate the homicidal psychotics of the Aztec Empire. If you want to know what the real program is, just think Aztlan, from Spokane to Denver to New Orleans. Considering the zeal of the immigrative and reproductive warriors, even that might be too modest. Of course, we can't say these obvious truths, since anyone pointing this out would immediately be discredited as a racist, elitist xenophobe. I keep trying to vote the rascals out, but there appears to be an infinite supply of rascals. Ed (deep in the heart of Aztlan) |
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When you hear the Heavy Accent (outsourcing and immigration debate)
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:00:52 -0800, "Ed Price"
wrote: In re the immigration debate. It's called "invasion and conquest by immigration" and I'm afraid it's gone so far there is no hope of liberating ourselves unless, of course, the French are willing to come over and do for us what we did for them a few years back. Highly uinlikely since France, with its own immigration/conquest is rapidly becoming a Muslim-controlled nation and God knows Islam is not going to do anything for us Infidels other than dispatch us straight to Hell with not even 20 virgins to accompany us.. Somebody in this thread said the Democrats are to blame for seeking to expand their power base by catering to them so that they could be added to Democratic voter roles. This was probably true in the beginning but the Republicans are now Hell bent on catching up, viz George XLII and his pandering to them via "legalization" proposals. Some mush-brained fool--probably a univ. prof.--said, in a preceding thread, how wonderful it was that this invasion is allowing us to incorporate new words into our language. I guess his mind is back in 1066. He probably believes that we, the English-speaking population of this country, will benefit just as the primitives of the British Isles benefited from Guillaume's little invasion. Of course, Guillaume did it honestly at Hastings. He didn't sneak his invaders across the Channel (substitute Rio Grande) in small groups over decades. More significantly, William didn't have a band of academic fifth-columnists undermining his target with drivelings about "multi-culturalism." In any case we better all learn to face the east when we pray (after all, our president said it was "one of the world's great religions" and we sure as hell better learn Spanish because our culture is bound to disappear as the invaders show no interest at all in adopting our language and our culture. The great promise of "multiculturalism" doesn't really hold out much hope if we only look at the mayhem it is producing in the rest of the world today. And if only some of these addle-brained academics who are forming the minds of the next generation would take a look at the writings of their not-too-distant predecesors they would see that "multiculturalism" was the principal cause of the collapse of the Roman Empire. The decline really began when Rome began to grant its precious "citizenship" to all comers. Sic transit gloria mundi. |
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When you hear the Heavy Accent (outsourcing and immigration debate)
Some pretty heavy stuff in this thread.
You'd never guess that some of it is coming from the descendants of a group of immigrants who almost wiped out a whole native population . . . JimB nospam wrote in message ... On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:00:52 -0800, "Ed Price" wrote: In re the immigration debate. It's called "invasion and conquest by immigration" and I'm afraid it's gone so far there is no hope of liberating ourselves unless, of course, the French are willing to come over and do for us what we did for them a few years back. Highly uinlikely since France, with its own immigration/conquest is rapidly becoming a Muslim-controlled nation and God knows Islam is not going to do anything for us Infidels other than dispatch us straight to Hell with not even 20 virgins to accompany us.. Somebody in this thread said the Democrats are to blame for seeking to expand their power base by catering to them so that they could be added to Democratic voter roles. This was probably true in the beginning but the Republicans are now Hell bent on catching up, viz George XLII and his pandering to them via "legalization" proposals. Some mush-brained fool--probably a univ. prof.--said, in a preceding thread, how wonderful it was that this invasion is allowing us to incorporate new words into our language. I guess his mind is back in 1066. He probably believes that we, the English-speaking population of this country, will benefit just as the primitives of the British Isles benefited from Guillaume's little invasion. Of course, Guillaume did it honestly at Hastings. He didn't sneak his invaders across the Channel (substitute Rio Grande) in small groups over decades. More significantly, William didn't have a band of academic fifth-columnists undermining his target with drivelings about "multi-culturalism." In any case we better all learn to face the east when we pray (after all, our president said it was "one of the world's great religions" and we sure as hell better learn Spanish because our culture is bound to disappear as the invaders show no interest at all in adopting our language and our culture. The great promise of "multiculturalism" doesn't really hold out much hope if we only look at the mayhem it is producing in the rest of the world today. And if only some of these addle-brained academics who are forming the minds of the next generation would take a look at the writings of their not-too-distant predecesors they would see that "multiculturalism" was the principal cause of the collapse of the Roman Empire. The decline really began when Rome began to grant its precious "citizenship" to all comers. Sic transit gloria mundi. |
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When you hear the Heavy Accent (outsourcing and immigration debate)
Some pretty heavy stuff in this thread.
You'd never guess that some of it is coming from the descendants of a group of immigrants who almost wiped out a whole native population . . . That, in its time, displaced an even older population in the same hemisphere. Kennewick Man. The more we learn, the more amazing the human story becomes. It's why we should welcome more cultural traditions............. (but those who bring said traditions should immigrate legally) |
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