Dick Locke wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:42:04 -0000, "JimB"
wrote:

So in all
the world except the Americas, the lateral system is green to
starboard entering harbour. In the Americas, of course . . .

Not just the Americas...Japan, Korea and the Philippines use
the IALA
"B" system. So does Tonga and I'm sure other places.

Sorry! I thought of these were part of the post WW2 American
empire?
JimB

Terry Spragg wrote in message
news:Y4M6c.74576

Exerything is relative. Left, right, coming, going, here,
there.

Here, when you leave harbour, you are going to see red bouys
left
behind.

There, leaving a life on the high sea, you see red bouys left
behind.

Here, returning from the sea, red on your right is a homey
sight.

May be that should be a homey site?

There, when you talk about homeys, they look at you strange.

When you look at the map, to determine left from right, you
must
presume a direction of travel. In or out, looking inward or
outward,
to or from the sea, coming or going, to or from what to where,
etc,
etc, so to speak.

Of course, standing on your head reverses all the rules. So it
seems
that going 'there' does too?

There have been instances where pictures, maps, etc have been
inadverdently flipped when printed, reversing the appearance of
left
and right.

Pictures get flipped here too, but flipping means different
things
here and there, too.

If you are looking at a map through a mirror, everything is
where it
shouldn't be.

I know it's a stretch, but how do they do it in Japan, where
they
too drive on the other tack, or do Wongs ailing do it right
there too?

Alice in looking glass
can't find
pretty ass,
but an ugly donkey.

Two Wongs make a rite?

Pick one from column a, one from column b.

Ain't it a grand old world? Adventure is everywhere.

Terry K

Mushrooms?
JimB

Everybody has missed a golden opportunity to suggest to Roberto that he take
a boating course. Anybody who has should know the answer to this question -
and to many others...

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"BIANCO ROBERTO" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I am perusing the "Greek waters pilot" by Rod Heikell in
preparation for a possible cruise in the Aegean. The maps of
the harbors' entrances show a Green buoy on starboard and Red
buoy to port.

Is "Green Right Returning" the Med-equivalent of "Red Right
Returning" on this side of the pond?

E-references for navigational rules in the Med anybody?

Thanks
Roberto

well, Charles, it sounds like you run a boating certification
agency or are associated with one which sorely needs customers.
hows business these days?

i've chartered in the BVI, i see a different arrangement of the
buoys on a map of a Greek harbor because i am studying the area
and i take a closer look, i get concerned, i ask a simple
question in the right newsgroup, corteous people reply, my
problem is solved, and without taking a boating course ---
what's the deal with your skewed comment?!? in my view,
attention to detail should be a plus in anybody's sailing resume
and attitude. but not in your certificate-prone, short-sighted
perspective. just can't stand people with a can-do attitude,
can you?

i haven't taken a boating course, but i've crewed and read
enough to feel confident to bareboat-charter on my own for the
first last year, and bring back both boat and crew without a
scratch. it's your experience and knowledge that counts when
you apply for a bareboat charter, and not the list of the
boating courses you've taken.

besides the fact that, sometimes, even people who shouldn't ever
skipper a boat get certified, and just in a week, paying top
dollars, because failing them would be bad for business. then
they go out there, wreck their boats, but, hey, it's not your
responsibility, you "certified" them, right? ever certified one
of those yourself, Charles?

r




In article ,
Charles T. Low wrote:
Everybody has missed a golden opportunity to suggest to Roberto that he take
a boating course. Anybody who has should know the answer to this question -
and to many others...

====

Charles T. Low
- remove "UN"
www.boatdocking.com/BDPhoto.html - Photo Contest
www.boatdocking.com
www.ctlow.ca/Trojan26 - my boat

====

"BIANCO ROBERTO" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I am perusing the "Greek waters pilot" by Rod Heikell in
preparation for a possible cruise in the Aegean. The maps of
the harbors' entrances show a Green buoy on starboard and Red
buoy to port.

Is "Green Right Returning" the Med-equivalent of "Red Right
Returning" on this side of the pond?

E-references for navigational rules in the Med anybody?

Thanks
Roberto

On 18 Mar 2004 23:19:14 GMT, (BIANCO ROBERTO)
wrote:

Hi all,

I am perusing the "Greek waters pilot" by Rod Heikell in
preparation for a possible cruise in the Aegean. The maps of
the harbors' entrances show a Green buoy on starboard and Red
buoy to port.

Is "Green Right Returning" the Med-equivalent of "Red Right
Returning" on this side of the pond?

E-references for navigational rules in the Med anybody?

Try this site.

http://www.sailingissues.com/navcourse0.html


Jack
__________________________________________________
Jack Dale
Swiftsure Sailing Academy
Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
Phone: 1 (877) 470-SAIL (toll free)
__________________________________________________

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:09:28 -0800, Peter Bennett
wrote:



Look for information on the IALA (International Association of
Lighthouse Authorities) Area A and Area B buoyage systems. (Their
motto: If one international standard is good, two must be better! :-)


Up to 1976 there were over 30 different systems.

from IALA

http://www.iala-aism.org/web/pages/p...adrepubli.html

Jack


__________________________________________________
Jack Dale
Swiftsure Sailing Academy
Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
Phone: 1 (877) 470-SAIL (toll free)
__________________________________________________

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:42:22 -0500, "Charles T. Low"
wrote:

Everybody has missed a golden opportunity to suggest to Roberto that he take
a boating course. Anybody who has should know the answer to this question -
and to many others...


Dunno if a boating course would necessarily help - the CPS Boating
Course manual barely mentions system A and B, without explaining the
differences. When I taught the Aids to Nav section, I did mention the
alternate system, and that the colours were reversed (but shapes are
the same), but other instructors may not mention it at all.

(but a Boating Course is a Good Thing anyway...)

--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb (at) interchange.ubc.ca
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

Roberto, the fact that you didn't know the difference between IALA A
and IALA B says you need some basic instruction. If you didn't like
C.Lows suggestion,.... tough chit. It was a good suggestion, since, if
you don't know that basic difference, you may have a number of other
basic subjects that you need to learn.
I don't believe Charles has anything to do with a certification agency
(he can confirm or deny), and I guarantee I don't ..... take some courses.
The short sighted person is the one who has to learn the hard way .... a
can do attitude is great, but, if you are not able to listen to valid
advise from people who have been there done that, a "can do " attitude
can get you killed.

otn

BIANCO ROBERTO wrote:
well, Charles, it sounds like you run a boating certification
agency or are associated with one which sorely needs customers.
hows business these days?

i've chartered in the BVI, i see a different arrangement of the
buoys on a map of a Greek harbor because i am studying the area
and i take a closer look, i get concerned, i ask a simple
question in the right newsgroup, corteous people reply, my
problem is solved, and without taking a boating course ---
what's the deal with your skewed comment?!? in my view,
attention to detail should be a plus in anybody's sailing resume
and attitude. but not in your certificate-prone, short-sighted
perspective. just can't stand people with a can-do attitude,
can you?

i haven't taken a boating course, but i've crewed and read
enough to feel confident to bareboat-charter on my own for the
first last year, and bring back both boat and crew without a
scratch. it's your experience and knowledge that counts when
you apply for a bareboat charter, and not the list of the
boating courses you've taken.

besides the fact that, sometimes, even people who shouldn't ever
skipper a boat get certified, and just in a week, paying top
dollars, because failing them would be bad for business. then
they go out there, wreck their boats, but, hey, it's not your
responsibility, you "certified" them, right? ever certified one
of those yourself, Charles?

r




In article ,
Charles T. Low wrote:

Everybody has missed a golden opportunity to suggest to Roberto that he take
a boating course. Anybody who has should know the answer to this question -
and to many others...

====

Charles T. Low
- remove "UN"
www.boatdocking.com/BDPhoto.html - Photo Contest
www.boatdocking.com
www.ctlow.ca/Trojan26 - my boat

====

"BIANCO ROBERTO" wrote in message
...

Hi all,

I am perusing the "Greek waters pilot" by Rod Heikell in
preparation for a possible cruise in the Aegean. The maps of
the harbors' entrances show a Green buoy on starboard and Red
buoy to port.

Is "Green Right Returning" the Med-equivalent of "Red Right
Returning" on this side of the pond?

E-references for navigational rules in the Med anybody?

Thanks
Roberto

Roberto,

(By chartered in the BVI do you mean you rented a boat _from_ someone, or
_to_ someone?)

Anyway, sorry you took offense, I didn't mean it that way.

Experience and self-learning matter. They matter a lot. And some people are
very good self-teachers. So, so far, we agree.
I do (true to form), however, stand by my previous comments. I heard a neat
quotation somewhere recently about somebody who had been doing a certain job
for twenty years, but without formal training. Now, this was said by a guy
_with_ formal training, so he may have had a vested interest. But there is
still some truth to it, it seems to me. The quote is, "Yes, you've been
doing the first year twenty times over."

In other words, formal instruction matters, too. A problem which sometimes
arises without it is that something small but important gets missed. The
IALA buoyage system might be a tiny example. Or, rare but critical
variations of a common problem aren't realized by the self-learner. And so
forth.

I know a guy who taught a retired Admiral the Power Squadron boating course.
The Admiral, of course, was above all this, but wanted the insurance
discount or something. He failed. He took the course again.

I met a thoracic surgeon who took an Advanced Trauma Life Support Course
(years ago) - and failed. He hadn't really tried hard because he had figured
himself above that. Like the Admiral, however, he was an intelligent man,
and so put his ego on the back burner, and took the course again.

I'm about to go on a course to fine-tune the skills I use in a career I've
successfully pursued daily for twenty-two years - and the course is said to
be very hard, and humbling (but not punitive!).

Some people take a course and manage to pass but weren't really there to
learn, and don't apply anything they were taught. That doesn't mean that all
training is superfluous. That only means that some people need a lot and
some need a little, and you can lead some people to knowledge but you can't
make them think, etc., etc. It's not the certificate that matters. It's the
skills and knowledge and wisdom which matter, and sometimes they go along
with a certificate, and sometimes not. Doesn't mean all certificates are
worthless.

My wife's calling me for supper. I've learned enough without going to school
to know I had better go.

Charles

P.S. I'm not in the certifying business. I do belong to and support the
Power Squadron (www.brockville.com/CPS), which is a volunteer training
organization. And my unrelated business(es) are doing fine, thanks for
asking.

====

Charles T. Low
- remove "UN"
www.boatdocking.com/BDPhoto.html - Photo Contest
www.boatdocking.com
www.ctlow.ca/Trojan26 - my boat

====

"BIANCO ROBERTO" wrote in message
...

well, Charles, it sounds like you run a boating certification
agency or are associated with one which sorely needs customers.
hows business these days?

i've chartered in the BVI, i see a different arrangement of the
buoys on a map of a Greek harbor because i am studying the area
and i take a closer look, i get concerned, i ask a simple
question in the right newsgroup, corteous people reply, my
problem is solved, and without taking a boating course ---
what's the deal with your skewed comment?!? in my view,
attention to detail should be a plus in anybody's sailing resume
and attitude. but not in your certificate-prone, short-sighted
perspective. just can't stand people with a can-do attitude,
can you?

i haven't taken a boating course, but i've crewed and read
enough to feel confident to bareboat-charter on my own for the
first last year, and bring back both boat and crew without a
scratch. it's your experience and knowledge that counts when
you apply for a bareboat charter, and not the list of the
boating courses you've taken.

besides the fact that, sometimes, even people who shouldn't ever
skipper a boat get certified, and just in a week, paying top
dollars, because failing them would be bad for business. then
they go out there, wreck their boats, but, hey, it's not your
responsibility, you "certified" them, right? ever certified one
of those yourself, Charles?

r

"Steve (another one)" wrote in message ...


Americans straying out of America need to adjust their world view.

Amen to that. I'm in Singapore today and while I'm used to having to
convert acres to hectares and pints to liters to be basically
understood, it's really a bummer to realize my cell phone is a useless
lump of plastic nearly everywhere and residents of most other
countries can carry workable phones with them on their trips. Somehow
we gotta get with the system....