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Hi Larry,
I need your advice again I recently purchased a standalone Sitex AIS receiver - the little one that has a small screen and which receives its GPS input by NMEA from my Garmin. It has a small externally mounted piezo alarm - no ID markings that is simply too quiet to ensure that I am alerted or awakened if I drop off to sleep. I would like to replace it with a louder piezo unit and am of the vague understanding that as piezos draw little current that a louder and larger one will not burn out or otherwise 'stuff up' the AIS unit.. Is this correct? I have emailed Sitex with this question and had as yet no response. Also, at the moment I swap the masthead VHF aerial between the cockpit located VHF radio and the AIS unit. In the absence of a proper VHF splitter I reason that I won't need the AIS much in approaching ports and if I need to talk to a ship I have time to change over the aerials. As I have a chart table located VHF radio and the one in the cockpit I have a proper A-B switch (rather like the old printer A-B switches but more solid and metalic) at the chart table for the aerials. I cannot locate one of these any more. The only AIS splitter that Defender had is one that is specific for a Furono VHF radio and which cannot be easily adapted (by me at least) for other brand use. At US$149 I sent it back as they said if it didn't work to return it. Do you know of anywhere I can purchase/make either a mechanical A-B switch or an electronic automatic anntenna splitter? Thanks and cheers Peter BTW, I may be visiting Charleston later this year on my way back to Curacao as I am contemplating buying a Folbot and need to try a couple of them out. It is also a reasonable excuse to visit the heart of the South. |
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You might check the "Smart Radio VHF Antenna Splitter", available for $119.
from Milltech Marine: http://store.milltechmarine.com/smravhfansp.html "Herodotus" wrote in message ... Hi Larry, I need your advice again I recently purchased a standalone Sitex AIS receiver - the little one that has a small screen and which receives its GPS input by NMEA from my Garmin. It has a small externally mounted piezo alarm - no ID markings that is simply too quiet to ensure that I am alerted or awakened if I drop off to sleep. I would like to replace it with a louder piezo unit and am of the vague understanding that as piezos draw little current that a louder and larger one will not burn out or otherwise 'stuff up' the AIS unit.. Is this correct? I have emailed Sitex with this question and had as yet no response. Also, at the moment I swap the masthead VHF aerial between the cockpit located VHF radio and the AIS unit. In the absence of a proper VHF splitter I reason that I won't need the AIS much in approaching ports and if I need to talk to a ship I have time to change over the aerials. As I have a chart table located VHF radio and the one in the cockpit I have a proper A-B switch (rather like the old printer A-B switches but more solid and metalic) at the chart table for the aerials. I cannot locate one of these any more. The only AIS splitter that Defender had is one that is specific for a Furono VHF radio and which cannot be easily adapted (by me at least) for other brand use. At US$149 I sent it back as they said if it didn't work to return it. Do you know of anywhere I can purchase/make either a mechanical A-B switch or an electronic automatic anntenna splitter? Thanks and cheers Peter BTW, I may be visiting Charleston later this year on my way back to Curacao as I am contemplating buying a Folbot and need to try a couple of them out. It is also a reasonable excuse to visit the heart of the South. |
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Herodotus wrote in
: Hi Larry, I need your advice again I recently purchased a standalone Sitex AIS receiver - the little one that has a small screen and which receives its GPS input by NMEA from my Garmin. It has a small externally mounted piezo alarm - no ID markings that is simply too quiet to ensure that I am alerted or awakened if I drop off to sleep. I would like to replace it with a louder piezo unit and am of the vague understanding that as piezos draw little current that a louder and larger one will not burn out or otherwise 'stuff up' the AIS unit.. Is this correct? I wouldn't guarantee that at all. I'd need to see the circuitry. Raymarine has an inaudible collision alarm in its radar/plotter, too. You can hardly hear it sitting right in front of it. I've never seen the Sitex unit or its schematic, so couldn't or shouldn't guess at modifying it. I have emailed Sitex with this question and had as yet no response. When I get this treatment from a marine electronics company, I send them another email warning them I'll be returning it to its seller if I get no response. I'm surprised Sitex isn't a better company from all I've heard. Maybe it got lost. Also, at the moment I swap the masthead VHF aerial between the cockpit located VHF radio and the AIS unit. In the absence of a proper VHF splitter I reason that I won't need the AIS much in approaching ports and if I need to talk to a ship I have time to change over the aerials. As I have a chart table located VHF radio and the one in the cockpit I have a proper A-B switch (rather like the old printer A-B switches but more solid and metalic) at the chart table for the aerials. I cannot locate one of these any more. The only AIS splitter that Defender had is one that is specific for a Furono VHF radio and which cannot be easily adapted (by me at least) for other brand use. At US$149 I sent it back as they said if it didn't work to return it. Do you know of anywhere I can purchase/make either a mechanical A-B switch or an electronic automatic anntenna splitter? You have 2 radios and one antenna...now going to put 3 radios on one antenna? Is this a good idea? What happens if the antenna fails? No radios!?? Let's kill two birds with one stone. You don't need AIS from the top of the mast unless it's to impress the girls with your range. So, let's add an "emergency antenna" to a handrail and hook the AIS to it, permanently, until the masthead antenna fails then swap the cables around to a radio. I recommend the Metz Manta 6 with a handrail mount: http://www.metzcommunication.com/manta6.htm Warranteed for life. Best antenna made. Doesn't even require a ground. Clamp it to "something", anything horizontal and hook it to the AIS. It will only show you targets on the AIS 3 miles over the horizon, which is probably more targets than you want to see, anyways....hours of notice. Let's mount another Metz out on the yardarm for that other radio and get rid of all this antenna switch crap and ideas of multiplexing, before it tears up the transmitters when it fails. Coax is cheap. Thanks and cheers Peter BTW, I may be visiting Charleston later this year on my way back to Curacao as I am contemplating buying a Folbot and need to try a couple of them out. It is also a reasonable excuse to visit the heart of the South. Holy smokes! I bought a Folbot 17 foldup from Jack Kissner, the original founder of the company, back in 1967! He used to put our boats on a huge 16 Folbot trailer, already erected, and hook it to his HUGE Olds 98 sedan and off we'd go to one of the rivers in the Southeast for a week back then. We'd leave some cars at the boat landing where we'd eventually come out of the river and all load up into the rest for the trip UPSTREAM (thank god) to the starting boat landing, paddling DOWNSTREAM with the current, stopping on some nice beach the current had made in the middle of the swampland miles from anywhere to camp out maybe a day or two before packing it all back in the Folbots and heading downriver again until the next place fit our fancy. We'd fish on the way downriver for our dinner at the camps for all. What a great way to go boating....cruising down a nice river. When we got the the destination landing, the drivers of the cars, including Mr Kissner, would ride in one car back to retrieve the Olds/boat trailer and other cars while those left packed up for the sad, sad trip home....exhausted, happy and smiling from ear to ear....(c; I didn't know they'd started production again and would love to come get you at the marina and take you to the factory tour, which isn't far from my home. I'll bring my station wagon and we can load 'er up on top on the way out. How's that?...(c; Sea Ray Regattas have nothing on Folbot regattas....(c; I wonder if they're still making the wooden parts just like wooden snow skis....almost impossible to break hard-laminated wooden strips, beautifully finished. http://www.folbot.com/about/history.html I see they're not $200 any more.....hee hee...(c; |
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:42:27 +0000, Larry wrote:
Hi Larry and Claus, Thanks for the responses. Larry, Why didn't you tell me this when I had my mast down in Trinidad last year? I took your advice about lightning strikes and relocated the masthead VHF aerial down from the top of the mast. Still, I really can't blame you as I hadn't even heard of AIS back then I hadn't informed you that I had an A-B switch for the two radios. you are very fortunate that i am not a woman as I would have expec`ted you teo read my mind. Thanks for the advise though. As usual it makes sense. Thanks for the offer to pick me up from the marina. It is much appreciated but I don't think I shall be coming by sea even though the idea is still very tempting. Went to the trouble, expence and time to travel to Madrid from Cartegena in Spain to get 10 year visas for the US in 2004. The standard 3 month visa waver programme (note THE correct spelling in the rest of the world) that we get when arriving by air for New Zealanders and Australians does not apply if one arrives by small boat. Any 'crew' other than the captain are not allowed outseide the port. When I found out about the restirctions applied to foreign yachts on their movements within the USA, decided that it was too much trouble. For instance, when arriving at any new port or moving within any port even if it is from one berth in a marina to another, the department of Homeland Security must be notified and the mobement approved. Too draconian for me. The crazy thing about these paranoid regulations is that I can arrive by air, get a rental car and drive any bloody place at any bloody time I so please. I can even buy the materials to make any number of explosive devices I wish. The only reason I can think of for this ridculous state of affairs is that it was personally thought up by Mr Baby Bush himself as I really don't think that anyone else could be so thick. On the other hand (yes, you have different fingers)that 10 year visa has also proved to be a pain in the proverbial in that I cannot enter the US under the visa waver programme until it expires. The problem is that it is issued under my New Zealand passport and as it is nearly full I use my Australian one. Fortunately I have so far been able to convince the nice people at the counter which I am usually directed to ignore it as they can see my problem. Thank the Gods that there are still some sensible people in uniform. I don't know how long these regulations regarding foreign yachts are going to continue. I have no criminal convictions, not even a speeding ticket. I was once arrested at a student demonstration in New Zealand in 1967 against the Vietnam War but the charge of letting down the tyres of the police van containing arrested students was dismissed through lack of evidence. The arresting policeman claimed I did it with a ballpoint pen which was an outright lie. I did it with matchsticks. Better not complain. I don't want to appear un-American and end up in Guantamo Bay. I have an aversion to torture and am a very weak minded person who would readily plead guilty to anything once they "showed me the instruments of torture" as in the glorious days of the inqusition. Sorry to burn your ears but I always wanted to cruise the eastern coast of the US. cheers and thanks Peter You have 2 radios and one antenna...now going to put 3 radios on one antenna? Is this a good idea? What happens if the antenna fails? No radios!?? Let's kill two birds with one stone. You don't need AIS from the top of the mast unless it's to impress the girls with your range. So, let's add an "emergency antenna" to a handrail and hook the AIS to it, permanently, until the masthead antenna fails then swap the cables around to a radio. I recommend the Metz Manta 6 with a handrail mount: http://www.metzcommunication.com/manta6.htm Warranteed for life. Best antenna made. Doesn't even require a ground. Clamp it to "something", anything horizontal and hook it to the AIS. It will only show you targets on the AIS 3 miles over the horizon, which is probably more targets than you want to see, anyways....hours of notice. Let's mount another Metz out on the yardarm for that other radio and get rid of all this antenna switch crap and ideas of multiplexing, before it tears up the transmitters when it fails. Coax is cheap. Holy smokes! I bought a Folbot 17 foldup from Jack Kissner, the original founder of the company, back in 1967! He used to put our boats on a huge 16 Folbot trailer, already erected, and hook it to his HUGE Olds 98 sedan and off we'd go to one of the rivers in the Southeast for a week back then. We'd leave some cars at the boat landing where we'd eventually come out of the river and all load up into the rest for the trip UPSTREAM (thank god) to the starting boat landing, paddling DOWNSTREAM with the current, stopping on some nice beach the current had made in the middle of the swampland miles from anywhere to camp out maybe a day or two before packing it all back in the Folbots and heading downriver again until the next place fit our fancy. We'd fish on the way downriver for our dinner at the camps for all. What a great way to go boating....cruising down a nice river. When we got the the destination landing, the drivers of the cars, including Mr Kissner, would ride in one car back to retrieve the Olds/boat trailer and other cars while those left packed up for the sad, sad trip home....exhausted, happy and smiling from ear to ear....(c; I didn't know they'd started production again and would love to come get you at the marina and take you to the factory tour, which isn't far from my home. I'll bring my station wagon and we can load 'er up on top on the way out. How's that?...(c; Sea Ray Regattas have nothing on Folbot regattas....(c; I wonder if they're still making the wooden parts just like wooden snow skis....almost impossible to break hard-laminated wooden strips, beautifully finished. http://www.folbot.com/about/history.html I see they're not $200 any more.....hee hee...(c; |
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Herodotus wrote in
: Sorry to burn your ears but I always wanted to cruise the eastern coast of the US. cheers and thanks Peter Wow...I didn't know about these paper restrictions. What ****es me off, being on the receiving end of anything bad, is that there is NO GUNBOATS AT THE HARBOR ENTRANCE! We're never challenged in any way coming in from sea on sailboats....even if we show no flag. Noone seems to care. You could sail right up to the City Marina dock, right past the Coast Guard Base Charleston, with a stolen Russian suitcase nuclear weapon and noone would say anything to you unless you wanted to rent a slip or you set the damned thing off. I think you, or anyone in any boat, ought to be challenged at the SEAWARD end of the jetties! There's NOTHING THERE! Noone calls you to even see if you speak English (or Spanish, now that half our population are illegal Mexicans). I've tried to get noticed by making calls in Farsi and Arabic on Channel 16 and got no response, at all!....(c; You'd think at LEAST someone would say SOMETHING when you called for Googoosh (a famous Iranian Pop singer that makes Iranian men's blood boil) on CHANNEL 16 in FARSI! Nothing, nada.... So, we'll let the bombers in the harbor, probably rent them a slip for $US100/day ($AU or NZ 50 by now) but only hassle our BEST ALLIES trying to do the right thing running the paperwork monster. It makes no sense at all. Of course, we have a long history of Naval Stupidity, you know. It took us nearly 3 years to figure out that those were GERMAN U-BOATS sinking ships and tankers off the SC Coast that NOONE TRIED TO SINK right after Dec, 1941. We didn't respond to the U-Boat threat, either, making U-Boat crews just happy as hell for a long time. We wouldn't even put the DAMNED LIGHTS OUT along the coast so it made it harder to target the ships against the coastal lights! We have 5 law enforcement bureaucracies riding around like a bunch of cowboys in flak jackets disguised as PFDs harrassing local small boaters inspecting fire extinguishers and whistles and PFDs, but no gunboats protecting America from the WMDs on the deck of 1000' containerships until the container is offloaded onto a trailer and driven past the gamma detectors just as it leaves the port terminal behind a truck. How stupid the Illuminati Government of the US is.....or are they? They don't care about US, they care only about THEM and their MONEY. I'm a little disappointed in Folbot after researching the website. The "new" Folbots have no sail rigs available, which was a real blast on mine with its little rudder linkage and fore-aft tiller. Now you have to worry about the salt water eating the LAWN FURNITURE METALS the damned frame is made out of. The old Folbots Mr Kissner made were highly- compressed, laminated wood just like the finest snow skis WERE made of. $US2000 for a Folbot? They gotta be kidding! Lawn Furniture covered with seat covers?....(c; |
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:46:56 +0000, Larry wrote:
Good morning (it is here) Larry, I always enjoy your postings. Yes, it would be very easy to sail right inside your ports and waters without being intercepted. The Coastguard claims the right to intercept and board any foreign yacht in any waters even many miles from US territorial waters but I could still take my chances if I were either an illegal or a terrorist as I don't wear a turban or a Talliban like beard. I look like a "normal Joe" and thus I never seem to have any problems with either Customs or Immigration. I used to have an office within Parliament buildings in Wellington. The powers that be decided to institute an photo ID security tag system complete with guards at the doors. I was away when this was put in place and thus I merely walked briskly past the three security guards carrying my briefcase with a smile and a cheery "Good Morning" and headed off down the hall. Amazingly they did not stop me but responded with a 'Good Morning Sir". They had no clue who I was (nobody important). As an IT worker it was always easy (now getting harder though) to gain entry to secure office buildings. All you had to do was tailgate someone with a pass and say something like "Thanks, I left my pass in my jacket" or simply wait until someone came out and then said much the same thing. If you look the part, nobody questions you. Grenada is admittedly need not fear terrorists or illegals but when I passed through there on my way from Trinidad I anchored in Prickly Bay amongst the other boats and rowed ashore, walking past the Customs and Immigration office. I called in and asked for the correct time, received a reply and wished them a nice day. I was there for 5 days. I just wanted to try it. I can imagine that, once inside US waters and mingled with other boats it would be a cake walk to go where I wished, especially with a BGB US stars and stripes of the size used in car sales yards (the biggest I have yet to see) quite un-noticed unless I was stopped by some official on mere chance. Scarey but frustrating, especially if you are doing all the legal things. Just doesn't make sense at all. BTW, I had no idea that the DHS has juristiction over cyclones activity. This week's New Scientist magazine has an article which describes the DHS's decision to not try to prevent cyclones from occurring by such as seeding the clouds with halide but they will try to steer the cyclone away from places in the USA where it can cause damage. Next thing, the Departments of Health, the Treasury and National parks will come under the DHS aegis. Who knows; Osama and his colleagues may train European Black Bears as suicide bombers and smuggle them into Yosemite National Park. From there it is only a few day's wander to the iconic Golden Gate bridge and another landmark will be destroyed. Muir Woods is even closer. Keep up the information regardless of the negativity. That is what democracy is about - dissent and healthy dialogue and discussion. You are too young to remember my great uncle Solon. He was the one who was tasked by the citizens of Athens to change the harsh laws instituted by Draco where many crimes carried the death penalty. Solon then left Athens in a self imposed exile for a number of years to prevent the citizens from trying to get him to change them. The trouble is that there seems to have grown a 1950's chorus of "un-American" outcries against those U.S. citizens who rightfully state their minds on important issues. It is not only the "commies" who brainwash and indoctrinate their citizens. You and others like you are lucky that Greece does not export Hemlock juice and there are (currently at least) no laws against impiety which is how they got my other great uncle Socrates. As`an aside, you should know that all Greeks are descended from the famous ones. My Cretan Grandfather always impressed upon me as a small child that I was also a direct descendent of Helene (of Troy). Great! thought I until I started to read and discovered that she was a slut who eloped with Thesus at the age of 11 or 12 and seduced Paris after a number of others whilst she was married. I have since altered my blood-line. cheers Peter, I am truly surprised that neither that little man (Bruce's friend) nor his kin have salvoed me with the standard "you hate us, don't you" this time. Wow...I didn't know about these paper restrictions. What ****es me off, being on the receiving end of anything bad, is that there is NO GUNBOATS AT THE HARBOR ENTRANCE! We're never challenged in any way coming in from sea on sailboats....even if we show no flag. Noone seems to care. You could sail right up to the City Marina dock, right past the Coast Guard Base Charleston, with a stolen Russian suitcase nuclear weapon and noone would say anything to you unless you wanted to rent a slip or you set the damned thing off. I think you, or anyone in any boat, ought to be challenged at the SEAWARD end of the jetties! There's NOTHING THERE! Noone calls you to even see if you speak English (or Spanish, now that half our population are illegal Mexicans). I've tried to get noticed by making calls in Farsi and Arabic on Channel 16 and got no response, at all!....(c; You'd think at LEAST someone would say SOMETHING when you called for Googoosh (a famous Iranian Pop singer that makes Iranian men's blood boil) on CHANNEL 16 in FARSI! Nothing, nada.... So, we'll let the bombers in the harbor, probably rent them a slip for $US100/day ($AU or NZ 50 by now) but only hassle our BEST ALLIES trying to do the right thing running the paperwork monster. It makes no sense at all. Of course, we have a long history of Naval Stupidity, you know. It took us nearly 3 years to figure out that those were GERMAN U-BOATS sinking ships and tankers off the SC Coast that NOONE TRIED TO SINK right after Dec, 1941. We didn't respond to the U-Boat threat, either, making U-Boat crews just happy as hell for a long time. We wouldn't even put the DAMNED LIGHTS OUT along the coast so it made it harder to target the ships against the coastal lights! We have 5 law enforcement bureaucracies riding around like a bunch of cowboys in flak jackets disguised as PFDs harrassing local small boaters inspecting fire extinguishers and whistles and PFDs, but no gunboats protecting America from the WMDs on the deck of 1000' containerships until the container is offloaded onto a trailer and driven past the gamma detectors just as it leaves the port terminal behind a truck. How stupid the Illuminati Government of the US is.....or are they? They don't care about US, they care only about THEM and their MONEY. I'm a little disappointed in Folbot after researching the website. The "new" Folbots have no sail rigs available, which was a real blast on mine with its little rudder linkage and fore-aft tiller. Now you have to worry about the salt water eating the LAWN FURNITURE METALS the damned frame is made out of. The old Folbots Mr Kissner made were highly- compressed, laminated wood just like the finest snow skis WERE made of. $US2000 for a Folbot? They gotta be kidding! Lawn Furniture covered with seat covers?....(c; |
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:46:56 +0000, Larry wrote:
Herodotus wrote in : Sorry to burn your ears but I always wanted to cruise the eastern coast of the US. cheers and thanks Peter Wow...I didn't know about these paper restrictions. What ****es me off, being on the receiving end of anything bad, is that there is NO GUNBOATS AT THE HARBOR ENTRANCE! We're never challenged in any way coming in from sea on sailboats....even if we show no flag. Noone seems to care. You could sail right up to the City Marina dock, right past the Coast Guard Base Charleston, with a stolen Russian suitcase nuclear weapon and noone would say anything to you unless you wanted to rent a slip or you set the damned thing off. I think you, or anyone in any boat, ought to be challenged at the SEAWARD end of the jetties! There's NOTHING THERE! Noone calls you to even see if you speak English (or Spanish, now that half our population are illegal Mexicans). I've tried to get noticed by making calls in Farsi and Arabic on Channel 16 and got no response, at all!....(c; You'd think at LEAST someone would say SOMETHING when you called for Googoosh (a famous Iranian Pop singer that makes Iranian men's blood boil) on CHANNEL 16 in FARSI! Nothing, nada.... Hot Damn, Man! You really mean you want them Gumment men to sit out there on the end of the jetty with a shotgun......... In the hot sun, the pouring rain, the (well what passes for in S.C.) freezing cold. Lord God Man, didn't your pappy teach you nothing? The Gumment men got to have the white shirt, the air conditioner, the comfy chair 'n the big desk. How you expect the Homeland Security to make things secure if they got to sit around and guard tings. And, the budget so small that they can't afford to sub-contract the work. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 07:32:26 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:46:56 +0000, Larry wrote: Herodotus wrote in m: Sorry to burn your ears but I always wanted to cruise the eastern coast of the US. cheers and thanks Peter Wow...I didn't know about these paper restrictions. What ****es me off, being on the receiving end of anything bad, is that there is NO GUNBOATS AT THE HARBOR ENTRANCE! We're never challenged in any way coming in from sea on sailboats....even if we show no flag. Noone seems to care. You could sail right up to the City Marina dock, right past the Coast Guard Base Charleston, with a stolen Russian suitcase nuclear weapon and noone would say anything to you unless you wanted to rent a slip or you set the damned thing off. I think you, or anyone in any boat, ought to be challenged at the SEAWARD end of the jetties! There's NOTHING THERE! Noone calls you to even see if you speak English (or Spanish, now that half our population are illegal Mexicans). I've tried to get noticed by making calls in Farsi and Arabic on Channel 16 and got no response, at all!....(c; You'd think at LEAST someone would say SOMETHING when you called for Googoosh (a famous Iranian Pop singer that makes Iranian men's blood boil) on CHANNEL 16 in FARSI! Nothing, nada.... Hot Damn, Man! You really mean you want them Gumment men to sit out there on the end of the jetty with a shotgun......... In the hot sun, the pouring rain, the (well what passes for in S.C.) freezing cold. Lord God Man, didn't your pappy teach you nothing? The Gumment men got to have the white shirt, the air conditioner, the comfy chair 'n the big desk. How you expect the Homeland Security to make things secure if they got to sit around and guard tings. And, the budget so small that they can't afford to sub-contract the work. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) With their mentality of watching the top of a container whilst trying to fill it with water and not seeing the gaping hole at the bottom, I wonder why some enthusiastic Bushian bureauocrat doen't come up with the really bright idea of posting signs on all the fairway buoys - "Terrorists are not allowed to enter this port without first contacting DHS" |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: And, the budget so small that they can't afford to sub-contract the work. Their budget could feed and house Thailand quite comfortably... |
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