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Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:28:27 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: As soon as you put the engine in gear, you uniformed crew smartly hoists the day shape cone up the forestay. Carrying all of this to its silly extreme, you now blithely motorsail along with your cone up until some awkward right-of-way situation arises, at which point you strike your cone and put your engine in neutral to reassert your rights. That's why the rules say that you become a powerboat when your engine is on, not just when your engine is in gear. Otherwise you could just shift into neutral whenever it was convenient. |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:28:27 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: As soon as you put the engine in gear, you uniformed crew smartly hoists the day shape cone up the forestay. Carrying all of this to its silly extreme, you now blithely motorsail along with your cone up until some awkward right-of-way situation arises, at which point you strike your cone and put your engine in neutral to reassert your rights. That's why the rules say that you become a powerboat when your engine is on, not just when your engine is in gear. Otherwise you could just shift into neutral whenever it was convenient. Nope... not good enough. It would not be clear to the other boat. They would still likely assume you're engine is engaged. The rules are fairly clear. If you're being "propelled" by an engine, then you're a powerboat. If you're not, you're not. But, the issue is one of potential confusion, which you're obligated to mitigate. What you describe is going to make the situation worse not better. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:01:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:28:27 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: As soon as you put the engine in gear, you uniformed crew smartly hoists the day shape cone up the forestay. Carrying all of this to its silly extreme, you now blithely motorsail along with your cone up until some awkward right-of-way situation arises, at which point you strike your cone and put your engine in neutral to reassert your rights. That's why the rules say that you become a powerboat when your engine is on, not just when your engine is in gear. Otherwise you could just shift into neutral whenever it was convenient. Is there some U.S. version of the regulations as the international regulations I carry state: (b) The term power-driven vessel means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term sailing vessel means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. No where does it discuss the engine being in gear, or not. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command,revisited
On Apr 21, 1:46*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: You're aground so often that it's hardly noteworthy! Wilbur Hubbard Oh my god ! What the **** ! ! ! Willbur Hubbard just got schooled by SKIP! You go SKip ! Bob |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:28:27 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: As soon as you put the engine in gear, you uniformed crew smartly hoists the day shape cone up the forestay. Carrying all of this to its silly extreme, you now blithely motorsail along with your cone up until some awkward right-of-way situation arises, at which point you strike your cone and put your engine in neutral to reassert your rights. That's why the rules say that you become a powerboat when your engine is on, not just when your engine is in gear. Otherwise you could just shift into neutral whenever it was convenient. Convenient to what? CAUSE a collision? |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:48:38 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:28:27 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: As soon as you put the engine in gear, you uniformed crew smartly hoists the day shape cone up the forestay. Carrying all of this to its silly extreme, you now blithely motorsail along with your cone up until some awkward right-of-way situation arises, at which point you strike your cone and put your engine in neutral to reassert your rights. That's why the rules say that you become a powerboat when your engine is on, not just when your engine is in gear. Otherwise you could just shift into neutral whenever it was convenient. Convenient to what? CAUSE a collision? I asked in a different post if y'all were referring to some U.S. edition of the so called Col Rebs., as the international version I have refers only to : (b) The term power-driven vessel means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term sailing vessel means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. No where does it discuss the engine being in gear, or not. If there is a U.S. version that uses different terms, or meanings, is different from the normally internationally used version I should like to be aware of it. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
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Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command,revisited
On Apr 22, 4:01*am, wrote:
A baseball bat is not a "deadly weapon" until you swing it at someone's head. This is the problem using analogies as support in an argument. They usually don’t work cause some one like me can use another analogy to refute the Baseball analogy. For example, Just because I have a screw diver and a crescent wrench in my pocket doesn’t mean I am a burglar yet..... a cop can stop me and arrest my ass for “possession of burglar tools.” BTW this happened to me when I was 18 yo after working on a friends boat. I stuck the screwdriver and crescent wrench in my hip pocket walked home at 9 PM and got stopped by a cop. The cop took me to the station and was going to charge me with “possession of burglar tools.” Who is right? Just because my engine is running and NOT engaged does that mean im NOT propelled by machinery? Does that mean when a motor vessel shuts down the engines that makes it NOT a motor vessel? Man up and be a true conservative. I am Democrat and a true conservative. When my motor is running for any reason on my sailboat I consider my self propelled by machinery, act accordingly, and don’t try to chicken **** the rules. BOB |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:22:08 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: No. The standard COLREGS book has the International rules on one page and the corresponding Inland rule on the facing page. Differences are sometimes noted as well. There are very few differences but some are quite important. Nothing about engine engagement or disengagement though. Big ships all have direct drive engines. If the engine in running the prop is turning. You stop it and restart it turning the other way for reverse. Casady |
Under Way, Not Making Way, Aground and Not Under Command, revisited
"Roger Long" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote Nope... not good enough. It would not be clear to the other boat. They would still likely assume you're engine is engaged. The rules are fairly clear. If you're being "propelled" by an engine, then you're a powerboat. If you're not, you're not. But, the issue is one of potential confusion, which you're obligated to mitigate. What you describe is going to make the situation worse not better. I believe there is also a rule, or at least an interpretation, that you may not resolve a crossing situation that switches you from being the burdened to the stand-on-vessel. The status is determined at the time that the situation becomes one that requires application of the rules to resolve. -- Roger Long There is... just don't have it at the tip of my finger... There's one about overtaking... that you have to be well-clear. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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