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First boat SeaRay 30' Sundancer
They know what
they like, they know what they think they will need and they know what appeals to them. But they know very little about boats and boating, what's important, and what's not. They frequently find themselves a year or two later with a boat that does not suit their needs. A lot of boaters end up with a boat that proves to be less than ideal after a season or two. I still bristle at the (very common) suggestion that a prospective boater who has done enough considering and evaluating to know he or she is looking for the characteristics commonly associated with a 30-foot express cruiser should, instead, buy a 20-foot runabout. That removes ending up with the "wrong" boat from a group of possibilities and promotes it to an absolute certainty. More people probably get out of boating because they start off with a boat that is too small, too light, (and powered by a worn out, cantankerous, single gasoline engine) than leave the pastime because they bought a boat that was of adequate size and displacement for their intended purposes. |
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First boat SeaRay 30' Sundancer
Gould,
I'm looking to buy a 85 to 89 30 foot Sea Ray Weekender 300. I friend has an 86 Sea Ray Sundancer 300 which is similar. I like the boat, how it handles, the ride in a chop and the living accommodations. I wouldn't be as satisfied in a smaller boat. Now the last boat I owned was an 18 foot aluminum runabout. At speed it preferred to fly as opposed to go through the water. :-) With this new boat it'll be just like dating. Take it slow and easy, get to learn each other. Show a lot of respect. Well it probably works better with boats than it does with woman. :-) Paul "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... They know what they like, they know what they think they will need and they know what appeals to them. But they know very little about boats and boating, what's important, and what's not. They frequently find themselves a year or two later with a boat that does not suit their needs. A lot of boaters end up with a boat that proves to be less than ideal after a season or two. I still bristle at the (very common) suggestion that a prospective boater who has done enough considering and evaluating to know he or she is looking for the characteristics commonly associated with a 30-foot express cruiser should, instead, buy a 20-foot runabout. That removes ending up with the "wrong" boat from a group of possibilities and promotes it to an absolute certainty. More people probably get out of boating because they start off with a boat that is too small, too light, (and powered by a worn out, cantankerous, single gasoline engine) than leave the pastime because they bought a boat that was of adequate size and displacement for their intended purposes. |
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First boat SeaRay 30' Sundancer
Gould,
I'm looking to buy a 85 to 89 30 foot Sea Ray Weekender 300. I friend has an 86 Sea Ray Sundancer 300 which is similar. I like the boat, how it handles, the ride in a chop and the living accommodations. I wouldn't be as satisfied in a smaller boat. Now the last boat I owned was an 18 foot aluminum runabout. At speed it preferred to fly as opposed to go through the water. :-) With this new boat it'll be just like dating. Take it slow and easy, get to learn each other. Show a lot of respect. Well it probably works better with boats than it does with woman. :-) Paul "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... They know what they like, they know what they think they will need and they know what appeals to them. But they know very little about boats and boating, what's important, and what's not. They frequently find themselves a year or two later with a boat that does not suit their needs. A lot of boaters end up with a boat that proves to be less than ideal after a season or two. I still bristle at the (very common) suggestion that a prospective boater who has done enough considering and evaluating to know he or she is looking for the characteristics commonly associated with a 30-foot express cruiser should, instead, buy a 20-foot runabout. That removes ending up with the "wrong" boat from a group of possibilities and promotes it to an absolute certainty. More people probably get out of boating because they start off with a boat that is too small, too light, (and powered by a worn out, cantankerous, single gasoline engine) than leave the pastime because they bought a boat that was of adequate size and displacement for their intended purposes. |
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First boat SeaRay 30' Sundancer
"John" wrote in message om... "Sandy K." wrote in message ... "John" wrote in message om... "pmiller" wrote in message ... After several years of looking and saving I am finally ready to buy my first boat. Ive looked at boats from 26 to 34 ft and based on advice from many people here I am eliminating everything over 30' as too big for a first boat. Today I looked at a 30' Sea Ray Sundancer 1989. The boat will be used on the Chesapeake Bay in the Annapolis MD area. Is there anyone here familiar with the Sundancers of that age? Id love to know if there were any problems with those boats or anything in particular to look for. I will of course have a survey done prior to purchase Ive taken the powerboating course and have a little experience with a 19' runabout and a 24' Cruise Along which is now in the Calvert Marine Museum. Thanks Paul Paul, A 30 foot boat is still too big for a first boat. Get a boat around 21 feet long and learn what your doing with it, then move up after two years. It's a boat, not a car, and it takes time to learn to operate a boat properly. Boating is supposed to be enjoyable, it's not going to be enjoyable when it comes time for you to dock that boat. You can learn the easy way with a smaller, easier to handle boat, or you can learn the hard way with the bigger boat. Your going to look like a fool trying to dock. It will be very obvious to everyone that you don't know what your doing. I've seen too many new boaters that bought boats that were too big for them to handle do a lot of damage with them. Go with the smaller boat, it's the best advice you'll ever get when it comes to first time boats. I own a 1997 Sea Ray 290 Sundancer - LOA 32 feet. This is my first boat and I can honestly say that I'm glad I purchased a boat of this size. Sure, there was a very steep learning curve and some stupid mistakes in the beginning. I'm into my 4th year with the boat and am quite comfortable handling her around docks. First year, there was what I like to refer to as "major pucker factor" - especially approaching a docking situation. I always made sure I used the ehad before getting near the dock!! Only advice I can offer is take your time, go slow, ask for assistance and get someone who knows how to handle boats teach you a thing or two. Have fun, Sandy K. I agree with the idea of asking someone to "show you the ropes", but sadly, a lot of people don't. I have friends that are boat dealers, they will tell you they can't beleave how many people with no experiance buy large boats and just show up on their own expecting it to be "like driving a car". Had you spent some time on the water with a smaller boat before you bought the one you now have, that "pucker factor" time would have been reduced to a few times out on the boat, instead of a year long. A lot of this also has to do with what kind of docking facilities you will be using, how congested the waterways you will be on are, and the depth, width and currents of the waterways. Additionally, few people who have never boated before are capable of knowing just what kind of boat will suit their needs. They know what they like, they know what they think they will need and they know what appeals to them. But they know very little about boats and boating, what's important, and what's not. They frequently find themselves a year or two later with a boat that does not suit their needs. I would have to agree with just about all you've stated. However, hindsight is 20/20. I did not have pucker factor for a full year - we have a relatively short season here in NJ. the docks are all full and the waterways are quite congested. After owning the boat for 4 years, sure I would like something different. But then again, I haven't met too many boaters who are 100% happy with what they have. Most all want something bigger - I'd love to move up to a 36 foot convertible - an may do just that, after this season..... Sandy K. |
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First boat SeaRay 30' Sundancer
I agree with otnmbrd. You either can or can not run a boat.
Take it from one with 52 yrs at the helm. Capt. boots "otnmbrd" wrote in message hlink.net... G Gonna agree and disagree(I'm from the school of "boat handlers are born, not made") with the overall jist of the thread. If you have the basic understanding of how a boat steers and reacts to a propeller/propellers, wind and current, to a point (and even beyond), the size will not really matter. In fact, the larger boat may even be the better one to learn on, since it will tend to react more slowly and predictably. Not everyone will learn and react the same, so my suggestion would be to look at what you want, but get someone to take you out in it, who knows what they are doing, and get a feel for how you feel and handle the boat. It may be too big for you, it may not .... don't just spend 5 minutes, spend an hour or two, and BG be brutally honest with yourself ....you may be better off with a motorhome. otn PS My first powerdriven boat, other than a few outboards, was a 45' "Liberty Launch" with a tiller and bell signals for the engine .... talk about a learning experience! Gould 0738 wrote: Paul, A 30 foot boat is still too big for a first boat. Get a boat around 21 feet long and learn what your doing with it, then move up after two years. It's a boat, not a car, and it takes time to learn to operate a boat properly. I would disagree, based on experience. My first boat was a 34-foot, single screw trawler. Twenty some years ago. No bow thruster, no stern thruster. No serious problem. To this day, some experienced boaters are known to remark about my current boat, (not much larger at just 36 feet) "How do you handle a single screw? I have enough trouble with twins and a thruster!" Biggest difference? I had some excellent, hands-on instruction from a qualified instructor who knew what he was doing. Other wise, you are probably right: if the learning process is going to involve just setting out and bouncing off everything in sight until some workable substitute for proper technique is accidentally stumbled upon, we should all start with a very small dinghy.....preferably an inflatable. :-) |
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