in message , beryl george
') wrote:

From other members of the news group thoughts and
experience am I missing something or is this something
that can be carried out providing there is care with
a reasonable degree of ease and safety.

The plan is to block of the foot of the keel and
secure ropes from the top of the mast out to the
sides at about 45 degrees to hold the boat upright
so the support pads on the wintering cradle can be
lowered to allow unhindered access to apply the
4 plus coats of epoxy coating to the under sides.

I have to say I wouldn't. The chances are, of course, that you would get
away with it, but if you didn't the consequences would be disasterous - not
only would you lose the boat but you'd have a fair chance of killing the
painting crew. Could you attach legs to the chain plates at deck level if
you need to get the props out from underneath? That should be strong enough
and used to be a common enough technique.

But please, get advice from someone experienced locally who can look at the
problem. Theorising on Usenet about a boat and yard we haven't seen is
probably less than useful.

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"beryl george" wrote in message
...

The boat weight is around 10 ton with a 50 foot
plus mast and a moderate keel that is level bottom.

All thoughts very much appreciated I have not seen
or done or attempted any thing like this before.


Sounds like extreme folly to me. The mast will bend, the lines will stretch,
the boat will teeter and tip one way or another. Then anything might happen.
And you are going to do this in among a lot of other boats? Think long and
hard about the consequnces of it falling over, then ask yourself how you
could ever have thought it was a good idea.

Tim W

beryl george wrote:

Or has anyone any other suggestions of a better
way to support the boat whilst it is epoxied.

How about using some of those angled jacks that sit on the ground? Set them
up fairly near the pads on the cradle, then lower the cradle pads and paint
the bits they were covering.


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beryl george wrote:
From other members of the news group thoughts and
experience am I missing something or is this something
that can be carried out providing there is care with
a reasonable degree of ease and safety.

The plan is to block of the foot of the keel and
secure ropes from the top of the mast out to the
sides at about 45 degrees to hold the boat upright
so the support pads on the wintering cradle can be
lowered to allow unhindered access to apply the
4 plus coats of epoxy coating to the under sides.

Or has anyone any other suggestions of a better
way to support the boat whilst it is epoxied.

The boat weight is around 10 ton with a 50 foot
plus mast and a moderate keel that is level bottom.

All thoughts very much appreciated I have not seen
or done or attempted any thing like this before.

How is this any different from the problems of antifouling the same boat?
You simply add supports and wedges adjacent to the existing pads then drop
the main support legs, paint over the pad areas, then wait for the epoxy to
dry and re-attach the main legs, dropping the other two temporary props. We
used to do this every spring on our Hustler 36, (with the mast still up).
The temporary supports need to be fairly sunstantial. Does no-one remember
life before the diesel-powered boat hoist?

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in message , beryl george
') wrote:

From other members of the news group thoughts and
experience am I missing something or is this something
that can be carried out providing there is care with
a reasonable degree of ease and safety.

The plan is to block of the foot of the keel and
secure ropes from the top of the mast out to the
sides at about 45 degrees to hold the boat upright
so the support pads on the wintering cradle can be
lowered to allow unhindered access to apply the
4 plus coats of epoxy coating to the under sides.

I have to say I wouldn't. The chances are, of course, that you would get
away with it, but if you didn't the consequences would be disasterous - not
only would you lose the boat but you'd have a fair chance of killing the
painting crew. Could you attach legs to the chain plates at deck level if
you need to get the props out from underneath? That should be strong enough
and used to be a common enough technique.

But please, get advice from someone experienced locally who can look at the
problem. Theorising on Usenet about a boat and yard we haven't seen is
probably less than useful.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

I'm fed up with Life 1.0. I never liked it much and now it's getting
me down. I think I'll upgrade to MSLife 97 -- you know, the one that
comes in a flash new box and within weeks you're crawling with bugs.

"beryl george" wrote in message
...
From other members of the news group thoughts and
experience am I missing something or is this something
that can be carried out providing there is care with
a reasonable degree of ease and safety.

The plan is to block of the foot of the keel and
secure ropes from the top of the mast out to the
sides at about 45 degrees to hold the boat upright
so the support pads on the wintering cradle can be
lowered to allow unhindered access to apply the
4 plus coats of epoxy coating to the under sides.

Or has anyone any other suggestions of a better
way to support the boat whilst it is epoxied.

The boat weight is around 10 ton with a 50 foot
plus mast and a moderate keel that is level bottom.

All thoughts very much appreciated I have not seen
or done or attempted any thing like this before.

I don't know what you mean by "epoxy", if you were referring to bottom
paint, what we do in these parts is apply as much as we can while the boat
is in the cradle, then have the yard pick up the boat with the travelift and
leave it in the air overnight so that we can get the spots that we couldn't
do while the boat is in the cradle.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...73258492izAlis Something like
this, actually just like this, if you look you'll notice a square area where
the paint looks lighter. They pick the boat up at the end of the day and put
it in first thing in the morning, more than enough time for the paint to
cure. If something happens to the boat while it's sitting in their
travelift, their insurance has to cover it. If I damage my boat or my
neighbors while attempting to jack it out of the cradle or something along
those lines I'll be in a world of hurt, insurance wise.
John Cairns

"beryl george" wrote in message
...
From other members of the news group thoughts and
experience am I missing something or is this something
that can be carried out providing there is care with
a reasonable degree of ease and safety.

The plan is to block of the foot of the keel and
secure ropes from the top of the mast out to the
sides at about 45 degrees to hold the boat upright
so the support pads on the wintering cradle can be
lowered to allow unhindered access to apply the
4 plus coats of epoxy coating to the under sides.

Or has anyone any other suggestions of a better
way to support the boat whilst it is epoxied.

The boat weight is around 10 ton with a 50 foot
plus mast and a moderate keel that is level bottom.

All thoughts very much appreciated I have not seen
or done or attempted any thing like this before.

I don't know what you mean by "epoxy", if you were referring to bottom
paint, what we do in these parts is apply as much as we can while the boat
is in the cradle, then have the yard pick up the boat with the travelift and
leave it in the air overnight so that we can get the spots that we couldn't
do while the boat is in the cradle.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...73258492izAlis Something like
this, actually just like this, if you look you'll notice a square area where
the paint looks lighter. They pick the boat up at the end of the day and put
it in first thing in the morning, more than enough time for the paint to
cure. If something happens to the boat while it's sitting in their
travelift, their insurance has to cover it. If I damage my boat or my
neighbors while attempting to jack it out of the cradle or something along
those lines I'll be in a world of hurt, insurance wise.
John Cairns

It has been assumed that you wish to do this to make painting (or something
similar) easier. If this is the case, how are you going to work on the
bottom of the keel? If you have to do the bottom in a different stage
anyway, why not use a more conventional method (i.e. moving stands etc.)
for the work?




The plan is to block of the foot of the keel and
secure ropes from the top of the mast out to the
..
..
..
plus mast and a moderate keel that is level bottom.

All thoughts very much appreciated I have not seen
or done or attempted any thing like this before.

Aaron wrote in message . 3.44...
It has been assumed that you wish to do this to make painting (or something
similar) easier. If this is the case, how are you going to work on the
bottom of the keel? If you have to do the bottom in a different stage
anyway, why not use a more conventional method (i.e. moving stands etc.)
for the work?




The plan is to block of the foot of the keel and
secure ropes from the top of the mast out to the
.
.
.
plus mast and a moderate keel that is level bottom.

All thoughts very much appreciated I have not seen
or done or attempted any thing like this before.


I dunno but I suspect that many boats are ok being supported only by
the weight being on their keels. However, one thing that strikes me
is that when the Titanic sank, she was initially in one piece and only
broke in half when the upward force of the water was removed from her
entire hull when she was submerged. She was designed to be supported
evenly all over by the water, once this support was removed, she broke
in half. Does this apply?, probably not.

| However, one thing that strikes me
| is that when the Titanic sank, she was initially in one piece and only
| broke in half when the upward force of the water was removed from her
| entire hull when she was submerged. She was designed to be supported
| evenly all over by the water, once this support was removed, she broke
| in half.
|Does this apply?, probably not.

Very likely NOT.

This is getting off-topic, but twaddle should be promptly despatched...

Have you considered that perhaps Titanic broke in half
when colliding with the ocean floor ?