The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On May 28, 5:13*pm, wrote:

On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT), Jay wrote:
Okay, in an automobile, what device performs the do or die piece of
information to indicate that the car's water pump is working or not?

An automobile does not have the same needs as an outboard. For openers, the
outboard is raw water cooled and the auto is a closed system. Major differences. The pumps are entirekly different too. The outboard needs a very different type of water pump. Comparing the cars water pump and cooling system to your outboard is as reasobale as comparing it to the space shuttle.

Interesting that none of your response addressed the specific
question I asked in the paragraph before. None of your response post
answered the question posed: "in an automobile, what device performs
the do or die piece of
information to indicate that the car's water pump is working or not?"

A temp gauge or red light? *IOW, to say that the water pump is running
dry is also to say the motor is overheating, isn't it? *

Two different things in an outboard. running dry is instant death to the water
pump. A car doesn't have to suck up water from an outside sorce to
lubricate the water pump. It can be run dry a lot longer than the one
in your outboard. That's
why a tell tale is MANDATORY.

Actually another non-specific response to a specific question.
Basically, I asked, true or false, if the water pump runs dry, does
the motor overheat, And, of course, the only possible obvious answer
is TRUE. Also, you stated "in an outboard, running dry is instant
death to the water pump." And you know with absolute certainty that
there are no outboard brands manufactured anywhere on the planet that
can be run without immersing them in water (IOW, run dry with no
damage whatsoever to the water pump). If there was an outboard motor
made where water immersion was not necessary to run it and no damage
would be done to the water pump doing so, then saying a tell-tale is
MANDATORY would then be a false statement, wouldn't it?

Doesn't one immediately lead to the other? *Therefore, it would seem like all the processes are really interconnected.

Only if you don't understand the basic differences betyween the two dissimilar
systems you are trying to compare.

So you are basically saying a failed water pump would not cause
engine overheating??? If a failed water pump DID CAUSE said
overheating and resultant engine failure, then wouldn't my statement
"Doesn't one immediately lead to the other?" be TRUE?

So you're saying the water coming out of the pee holes is not water
being released by the thermostat in the Suzuki DF2.5? *Yes or no?

I have no idea where you are headed with this question.

Not heading anywhere, just looking for a simple yes or no answer.


The water coming out of the pee-hole is forced out by pressure from
the water pump regardless if the thermostat is open or closed.

So you are saying that there is no outboard manufactured on the
face of the Earth wherein the discharge from the "pee hole" is
governed by the thermostat?

Finally, if
this Suzuki outboard of mine runs for several years with water only
INTERMITTENTLY coming out of the "pee" holes and it never overheats,
will you still cling to the notion that it's a defective piece of
equipment? *IOW, will you argue and continue to denigrate
a successful and non-defective outboard motor design?


Yes. If I can't always be sure with a quick glance that the water pump is
working, I would not keep that motor. I would return it immediately even if I
took a loss to do so. If that is the way it is suposed to be, then I would judge
it to be a piece of poorly and improperly designed crap that can not be depended
upon. I wouldn't use it, or own it, and If I sold it, I would have to disclose
that problem with it. *

So you would ignore the fact that the motor ran for years without
constant discharge from the pee-holes and never overheated and/or
seized-up. You would still call it a piece of crap. Why, because its
longevity would prove you wrong and not being right is a mortal sin
too great for you to absorb? Reminds me of the old adage, if it's not
broke, don't fix it. IF that motor is designed to operate like it
does WITHOUT constantly "peeing" and it continues to operate that way
without overheating, damage to the water pump an/or seizure of the
motor, then guess what? Your know-it-all statements are DEAD-ON W-R-O-
N-G! A tough pill to swallow for egomaniacs but easier with a couple
of bottles of Corona. And calling me a dimwit and saying Casady's
calculations are "baloney" might imply you check night school for a
refresher course in human relations/communication.


Finally, is the goat that is sacrificed at the altar of the pee
hole required to be a virgin nanny? *lol

On further reflection, I bet you DO require a virgin goat for the
sacrifice.

-Jay
(STILL sorting it all out and waiting for the final word from Wilbur
Hubbard on the matter).

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On May 29, 3:07*am, wrote:

Okay. You are a troll. I'm not going to waste any more effort on your mindless
nonsense.

Ooooh, classic response. Someone actually challenges you to back
up your varied and wild pontifications and answer logical questions
and when those questions begin to befuddle you and your stationary
brain, replete with your preset notions about everything, you
immediately start to call people names like dimwit, call what they ask
"mindless nonsense" and tell others what they do are "baloney" and
finally, when all else fails, you utilize the most infantile
accusation of all --- "you're a troll." lol

At least you made a wise choice in your last statement, mainly because
nobody wants to hear your pompous, egomaniacal spewings anymore and
you not participating in this thread again is the best contribution
you could ever make to the thread.

And, btw, when my little Suzuki is still putting along two years from
now with water only being ejected INTERMITTENTLY through the urination
hole, YOU'LL STILL BE WRONG!!!!!

-Jay
(appreciative of much of the fine advice he's received from the truly
knowledgable gentlemen in this group and not going to miss the
egomaniac one tiny bit)

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

wrote:
Okay. You are a troll. I'm not going to waste any more effort on your mindless
nonsense.


Now that's funny.

Interesting to read about your experience with a trolling motor &
Seaward Fox but still the irony of *you* calling somebody else a
"mindless troll" is a riot.

DSK

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:13:23 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote:

And, btw, when my little Suzuki is still putting along two years from
now with water only being ejected INTERMITTENTLY through the urination
hole, YOU'LL STILL BE WRONG!!!!!

I feel about the same way about an intermittant pilot hole as I do
about a water temperature gauge that only works part of the time. BTW,
it isn't practical to watch the pilot hole, especially when it is on
the back of the motor, and you are driving from the front of the boat.

It doesn't matter, I suppose, what the pilot hole does when you
can't watch it anyway.

Casady

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:07:12 -0400, wrote:

A car doesn't have to suck up water from an outside sorce to
lubricate the water pump. It can be run dry a lot longer than the one
in your outboard.

That's an understatement. There is no contact between the impellor and
the housing, and they can be run dry approximately forever. The engine
on our jet boat doesn't even need a water pump. Water is bled from the
drive.

Casady

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:11 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 15:46:57 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:13:23 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote:

And, btw, when my little Suzuki is still putting along two years from
now with water only being ejected INTERMITTENTLY through the urination
hole, YOU'LL STILL BE WRONG!!!!!

I feel about the same way about an intermittant pilot hole as I do
about a water temperature gauge that only works part of the time. BTW,
it isn't practical to watch the pilot hole, especially when it is on
the back of the motor, and you are driving from the front of the boat.

It doesn't matter, I suppose, what the pilot hole does when you
can't watch it anyway.

Casady

Steering from the front of the boat? It's a 2.5 hp outboard with a
tiller, Casady.

Happen to possess a boat with a steering wheel and a 3 HP motor.
certain that the water pump is
working at startup, and being able to glance back occasionally and
confirm you haven't clogged with sand, seaweed or a plastic baggie is
pretty important. The pilot hole on all small outboards I've seen
shoots out to the side so you can see it easily from your seat, by
simply turning your head and looking towards the motor.

As for the pilot hole, it is on the back of the 1/2,the 1 the 3 and
the 5 my family has owned. Motors dating from the twenties to the
fifties. I hear some would rebuild the water pump every couple of
years. One next door neighbor has a fifty year old motor, the other
next door forty. Never replaced anything on either of them.
When did Evenrude quit making the half horse motor? Nobody I know paid
any attention to the pilot hole.

Casady

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On Thu, 29 May 2008 13:16:00 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 16:33:20 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 06:07:12 -0400, wrote:

A car doesn't have to suck up water from an outside sorce to
lubricate the water pump. It can be run dry a lot longer than the one
in your outboard.

That's an understatement. There is no contact between the impellor and
the housing, and they can be run dry approximately forever. The engine
on our jet boat doesn't even need a water pump. Water is bled from the
drive.

Casady

I was always under the impression that automotive waterpumps gleaned a
bit of lubrication for the shaft and seals from additives in the
coolant. I agree that the impeller in an automotive water pump is
completely immune from being run dry, but I'm not so sure about the
shaft and seals. I think they will take quite a bit of abuse, though,
unlike the very different situation for an outboard water pump
impeller which will be ruined almost instantaneously if run dry.

I said approximately forever, when I meant not much damage before the
engine melts, and you are right about lubeing something else, not the
rotor. I think glycol coolant comes with that additive, but I am not
sure. Glycol is a better lube than water.

Casady

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On Thu, 29 May 2008 13:40:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:20:13 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 12:11:11 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 15:46:57 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 04:13:23 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote:

And, btw, when my little Suzuki is still putting along two years from
now with water only being ejected INTERMITTENTLY through the urination
hole, YOU'LL STILL BE WRONG!!!!!

I feel about the same way about an intermittant pilot hole as I do
about a water temperature gauge that only works part of the time. BTW,
it isn't practical to watch the pilot hole, especially when it is on
the back of the motor, and you are driving from the front of the boat.

It doesn't matter, I suppose, what the pilot hole does when you
can't watch it anyway.

Casady

Steering from the front of the boat? It's a 2.5 hp outboard with a
tiller, Casady.

Happen to possess a boat with a steering wheel and a 3 HP motor.
certain that the water pump is
working at startup, and being able to glance back occasionally and
confirm you haven't clogged with sand, seaweed or a plastic baggie is
pretty important. The pilot hole on all small outboards I've seen
shoots out to the side so you can see it easily from your seat, by
simply turning your head and looking towards the motor.

As for the pilot hole, it is on the back of the 1/2,the 1 the 3 and
the 5 my family has owned. Motors dating from the twenties to the
fifties. I hear some would rebuild the water pump every couple of
years. One next door neighbor has a fifty year old motor, the other
next door forty. Never replaced anything on either of them.
When did Evenrude quit making the half horse motor? Nobody I know paid
any attention to the pilot hole.

Casady

Those motors probably pre-date flexible pump impellers, and may not
have even had (or really needed) a pilot hole at all. The British
Seagull has a metal impeller, too. Some of the small motors you
mention are probably air cooled, anyway. :')

On neightbor has a fifties 35 Johnson, the other a 90 Mercury, The 35
is on a home made plywood boat that has been glassed. The ninty is on
a larger aluminum boat. Skiing, fishing and just riding around are
what we do. The only cruising is one hour or so cocktail cruises.
Rubbernecking at slow speed. I don't remember pilot holes on the half
or the one, but the five it was on the back, and the boat had a
forward wheel. Pilot holes were like Canada, everyone knows it exists,
but nobody gives it much thought.

Casady

The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO ofthem, in tandem?
 

On Apr 26, 5:46*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote

You might "Ping" Roger
as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the
speed.

As has been pointed out here, I have no *formal* training in naval
architecture and am therefore unqualified to comment.
Roger Long

Ive met several “…I aint had no college cause I learned everything
from experience…” professionals over the years. However there is a
significant difference between OJT and a formal post secondary
program. Heck, even the USCG REC/OCMI recognizes the benefits of an
organized program of study. In fact the USCG gives Sea Service credit
for attending a 4 year maritime academy or completing select AB to
Mate, Mate to Master programs and union training. Why?

Because an organized program is superior to a half assed pieced
together string of jobs hoping the worker will learn something along
the way. In the learn-along-the-way approach there is absolutely NO
set of standards or competencies to judge your ability compared to
industry standards. The only way to know if a learn-as-you-go person
knows xyz is if they attempt xyz and fail. Then with egg on their face
they call it experience and move on adding that FAILURE to their list
of learning credentials. Personally I don’t want my project to be some
drop-out GED bozo’s “real world training” learning experience.

Would you really want a surgeon who never went to an accredited USA
medical school fix your heart?

Another example are the “dynamic” management seminar leaders. They
stand for 6 hours and say all sorts of interesting things and wow the
crowd. But on closer conversation they are simply a one trick pony who
knows a very narrow segment of the over all body of management
literature/research. In other words they really don’t know **** but
they sure talk smack. They lack both BREADTH and DEPTH of the subject
but can fake it pretty good in a single limited topic.

The real problem surfaces when a one trick pony is faced with a task
outside their limited experience (some people might call it a comfort
zone). Their failure rate soars because they lack a broad foundation
of understanding to use as a guide.

The learn as you go was the archaic boat building approach. As a
result designers of old were EXTREMELY reluctant to do anything
different or even modify a current design. So you had a design that
worked and everybody used it. Of course, innovation was considered
heresy; a departure from tradition. Innovation is a very scary thing
to the ignorant cause they don’t understand it. Ignorance creates
tradition AND fear.

So you find some who are continually self promoting. Its an effort to
compensate. Sorta like the little guys in the really B I G trucks.

My advice is go back to school and get a degree. Im sure you would be
amazed at how valuable all that experience you have becomes when
combined with an organized program of study.

Well I can hear a chicken clucking. Must mean fresh eggs. I think Ill
scramble a few and head over to the lagoon for a day in the water.
Life is good at N19-43
Blue Water Bob

The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in tandem?
 

On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

So you find some who are continually self promoting. Its an effort to
compensate. Sorta like the little guys in the really B I G trucks.

Few long haul truckers pick the size of their truck. Mostly, they are
as big as the law allows. Maximum payload for the labor costs.
Best use of the fuel. This is mostly not true in town, although
gasoline delivery and garbage trucks come in large sizes. A glance at
the lunch counter at an Interstate truck stop will reveal that drivers
come in all the usual sizes. The biggest common compensation truck
would be the one ton pickup with the dual rear tires. There are many
who drive a pickup because cars have turned into tiny ****boxes, not
as a penis substitute. Corvettes on the other hand... The price of gas
will cause a reverse trend. We have a 14 mpg street tank SUV and we
just bought a 28 mpg ****box. Used, 10k miles, seven grand.

Casady

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On May 29, 5:27*am, wrote:

Okay. You are a troll. I'm not going to waste any more effort on your mindless
nonsense.

Ooooh, classic response. *Someone actually challenges you to back
up your varied and wild pontifications and answer logical questions
and when those questions begin to befuddle you and your stationary
brain, replete with your preset notions about everything, you
immediately start to call people names like dimwit, call what they ask
"mindless nonsense" and tell others what they do are "baloney" and
finally, when all else fails, you utilize the most infantile
accusation of all --- "you're a troll." *lol

If the hat fits...

Not on my head, try yours.

You presented no actual challenge to anything I said. You asked absurd questions that could not be answered with a yes or no because they were so off course.

Most of what you said was simply your monaural and egotistical
viewpoint on outboards and was so weak it was unworthy of a
challenge. And, no question is absurd. The absurd ones are the
people who cannot answer a question and so they attack the question to
hide their own insecurities and personal failure to be able to
intelligently respond. Classic misdirection technique...

Your comment about waiting for the final word from "Wilbur Hubbard" sealed the deal.

I have no idea who Wilbur Hubbard is but have noticed that some of
the NG are always on his case so I simply threw that in as a bit of
sardonic wit.

T-R-O-L-L

Ooooh, so now Mr. Salty is resorting to capital letters, screaming
out his accusation in the hopes that someone, somewhere might believe
his infantile, immature response to rational thought.

And, by the way, I now quote you as saying "I'm not going to waste
any more effort on your mindless nonsense."

Yet you responded again after saying you were all done. Do we now
add "LIAR" to the resume of the egotistical, puffed-up pompous Mr.
Salty?

-Jay
(now realizing there is always one like Salty on every newsgroup but
grateful there are so many others with traits called class, common
decency, intelligence, experience, etc. to answer questions of a
newbie).

Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the Tohatsu MFS4BS).
 

On Apr 17, 1:20 pm, Martin Baxter wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 08, Martin Baxter wrote:
FWIW, I have a canoe

Which motor do you use to power the canoe? I've been thinkin'
"trolling motor" so I can keep most of the weight low and amidships
instead of all hanging over the side near the stern. A 30lb thrust
Minn Kota is on sale near me for $67 but since Jay's experiment, I'm
thinkin' more like 50lbs so I can use it on a skiff as well. The
smallest gasoline outboard I have at the moment is 6hp at 58lbs which
is fine for the skiff but too much weight for the canoe.

The little 2 HP 'rude works just fine, pushes the canoe with two people
aboard faster than you could paddle it.

Cheers
marty

When are you guys going to quite this circle jerk, and quite wanking
on each other...who cares, really?

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On May 29, 6:40*pm, wrote:
plonk

Ooooh, the announced "plonk," ranking right up there in the same
immature, childish category of calling someone a troll. People with
class, Salty at Dog, just filter someone quietly if they continue to
fear what they write while others, of the more playground variety,
yaknow the nyah nyah nyah grade school type like yourself, feel the
self-gratifying need to "announce" their intentions (like anyone
really cares). But I suppose that's pretty tough for someone so full
of himself as you appear to be, but thanks for the plonk, it means I
don't have to read your bullcrap theories anymore and makes room for
the really knowledgable posters in this newsgroup to offer advice to
me that is worthwhile.

-Jay
(still appreciative of the rec.boats.cruising posters with knowledge,
experience and class)

Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the Tohatsu MFS4BS).
 

On May 29, 7:56*pm, "
wrote:
When are you guys going to quite this circle jerk,

Didn't realize it was a "circle jerk." I just didn't like some
pompous pusgut calling me a dimwit so figured he was due a response or
two. BTW, why do you seem to be interested in "circle jerks" anyway?
LOL


and quite wanking on each other...who cares, really?

Well, you seemed to care or you wouldn't have responded but you can
sleep easy tonight 'cause Mr. Salty has decided to finally bow out of
the thread (unless he lies again) and I promise not to post anymore
things that upset your delicate sensitivities.


-Jay

Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6 (or maybe another choice, the Tohatsu MFS4BS).
 

On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

The
smallest gasoline outboard I have at the moment is 6hp at 58lbs which
is fine for the skiff but too much weight for the canoe.

Being so narrow, a canoe is scary with a three if you turn up the
wick. With a square stern there is no weight problem with a five, but
it would be a killer. You would put a positive stop on the throttle if
you were smart. We have a one for the canoe.

Casady

The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in tandem?
 

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Apr 26, 5:46 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote

You might "Ping" Roger
as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the
speed.

As has been pointed out here, I have no *formal* training in naval
architecture and am therefore unqualified to comment.
Roger Long

Ive met several “…I aint had no college cause I learned everything
from experience…” professionals over the years. However there is a
significant difference between OJT and a formal post secondary
program. Heck, even the USCG REC/OCMI recognizes the benefits of an
organized program of study. In fact the USCG gives Sea Service credit
for attending a 4 year maritime academy or completing select AB to
Mate, Mate to Master programs and union training. Why?

Because an organized program is superior to a half assed pieced
together string of jobs hoping the worker will learn something along
the way. In the learn-along-the-way approach there is absolutely NO
set of standards or competencies to judge your ability compared to
industry standards. The only way to know if a learn-as-you-go person
knows xyz is if they attempt xyz and fail. Then with egg on their face
they call it experience and move on adding that FAILURE to their list
of learning credentials. Personally I don’t want my project to be some
drop-out GED bozo’s “real world training” learning experience.

Would you really want a surgeon who never went to an accredited USA
medical school fix your heart?

Another example are the “dynamic” management seminar leaders. They
stand for 6 hours and say all sorts of interesting things and wow the
crowd. But on closer conversation they are simply a one trick pony who
knows a very narrow segment of the over all body of management
literature/research. In other words they really don’t know **** but
they sure talk smack. They lack both BREADTH and DEPTH of the subject
but can fake it pretty good in a single limited topic.

The real problem surfaces when a one trick pony is faced with a task
outside their limited experience (some people might call it a comfort
zone). Their failure rate soars because they lack a broad foundation
of understanding to use as a guide.

The learn as you go was the archaic boat building approach. As a
result designers of old were EXTREMELY reluctant to do anything
different or even modify a current design. So you had a design that
worked and everybody used it. Of course, innovation was considered
heresy; a departure from tradition. Innovation is a very scary thing
to the ignorant cause they don’t understand it. Ignorance creates
tradition AND fear.

So you find some who are continually self promoting. Its an effort to
compensate. Sorta like the little guys in the really B I G trucks.

My advice is go back to school and get a degree. Im sure you would be
amazed at how valuable all that experience you have becomes when
combined with an organized program of study.

Well I can hear a chicken clucking. Must mean fresh eggs. I think Ill
scramble a few and head over to the lagoon for a day in the water.
Life is good at N19-43
Blue Water Bob


You are a learned and wise man. Second only to Wilbur Hubbard.

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

Jay,
At the risk of getting caught up in the back and forth between you and
Salty (and by the way I haven't even read that whole sub thread. It
just looked like it was going nowhere) let me take a shot at
explaining wherein the miscommunication lies.
Using your automobile example. If you drive a car that has an overheat
light on the dash and it intermittently turns itself on when actually
the engine's water temp is at its normal level, that wouldn't mean
your engine is defective. It would mean your indicator light is
defective. Because it's designed to turn itself on only when the water
temp is too hot. That situation would be analogous to a telltale that
intermittently works when there's nothing wrong with the water pump.
You could never know for sure whether to believe it or not. That's not
to say there's anything wrong with your motor. It's saying the design
of the indicator is questionable.
HowEVER, if I understand correctly, from up thread somewhere, even
when you're not getting a steady stream of water from the tell-tale,
you're at least supposed to see a water spray as long as the water
pump is functioning. So as long as you can see the spray easily,
you've still got a reliable indicator. Maybe Salty didn't see the
"spray" explanation or maybe he's going under the assumption that the
spray isn't visible enough. -shug- I dunno. Frankly, I would have to
see the spray with my own two eyes to voice an opinion on that.
Anyhow, that's my 2 cents on the subject.
Rick

On Wed, 28 May 08, Jay wrote:
Okay, in an automobile, what device performs the do or die piece of
information to indicate that the car's water pump is working or not?
A temp gauge or red light? IOW, to say that the water pump is running
dry is also to say the motor is overheating, isn't it? Doesn't one
immediately lead to the other? Therefore, it would seem like all the
processes are really interconnected.

So you're saying the water coming out of the pee holes is not water
being released by the thermostat in the Suzuki DF2.5? Yes or no?

Just my attempt at "simple logic" as stated by the previous
author. *Am I way off here in this stab at deductive reasoning?

Yes. You couldn't be further off if you knew everything about engines and were
deliberately making up a fairy tale.

But didn't you think it was an interesting fairy tale? Finally, if
this Suzuki outboard of mine runs for several years with water only
INTERMITTENTLY coming out of the "pee" holes and it never overheats,
will you still cling to the notion that it's a defective piece of
equipment? IOW, will you argue and continue to denigrate
a successful and non-defective outboard motor design?

Finally, is the goat that is sacrificed at the altar of the pee
hole required to be a virgin nanny? lol

-Jay
(still sorting all of this out)

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On May 30, 4:52*pm, wrote:
Jay,
At the risk of getting caught up in the back and forth between you and
Salty (and by the way I haven't even read that whole sub thread. It
just looked like it was going nowhere) let me take a shot at
explaining wherein the miscommunication lies.

Actually, Rick, there was never any "miscommunication" per se. I
accepted the fact that the entire scenario regarding the operation of
my new outboard and the apparent discrepancies in the manual were
disconcerting. None of that had anything to do with being the target
of an egotistical ******* like Salty whose primary responses to ideas
I was just tossing into the fire was to call me names such as dimwit.
However, I noticed that seems to be a modus operandi with him as I've
noticed his derogatory remarks toward others in previous threads.

Contributions from you and others have been helpful in trying to
resolve this matter. You and others have kept an open mind in trying
to assess this situation while Salty seems to be unable to budge from
his one-track approach to life roughly translated to "I have my
opinion, do NOT confuse me with the facts!" Having him leave the
thread was a breath of fresh air but I see he's back so I guess I can
add liar to his resume.

Using your automobile example. If you drive a car that has an overheat light on the dash and it intermittently turns itself on when actually the engine's water temp is at its normal level, that wouldn't mean your engine is defective. It would mean your indicator light is defective. Because it's designed to turn itself on only when the water temp is too hot. That situation would be analogous to a telltale that
intermittently works when there's nothing wrong with the water pump.
You could never know for sure whether to believe it or not. That's not
to say there's anything wrong with your motor. It's saying the design
of the indicator is questionable.

I totally agree with that part. There needs to be some sort of
indicator that's readily observable and indicative of motor
overheating and/or water pump failure; however, my examples comparing
with automobiles were not a statement of fact. I was just wondering
out loud and fully expected disagreement on some points but
disagreement with class, not resorting to pompous name-calling like
the infantile Salty seems to favor.

However, if I understand correctly, from up thread somewhere, even when you're not getting a steady stream of water from the tell-tale, you're at least supposed to see a water spray as long as the water pump is functioning. So as long as you can see the spray easily, you've still got a reliable indicator.

Unfortunately, that's not even something Suzuki mechanics, the
manual and Customer Service can seem to agree on or how much is to be
seen.

Maybe Salty didn't see the "spray" explanation or maybe he's going
under the assumption that the spray isn't visible enough. -shug- I
dunno.

In Salty's iron-clad mind, encased in cement, if that sucker isn't
"peeing up a storm" at all times, the motor is a piece of dangerous,
defective crap. LOL

Frankly, I would have to see the spray with my own two eyes to voice an opinion on that. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents on the subject.
Rick

Actually, Rick, that worth more than 2 cents, mainly because you
seem to be keeping an open mind and exploring every possible angle for
the inconsistencies of that motor's operation.

Thanks, Jay

The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO ofthem, in tandem?
 

Roger L wrote:

.... I could go on for hours about the amazing screw
ups, lack of judgement, and ignorance of basic principles of the field I've
seen demonstrated by naval architects with even advanced degrees. I
certainly would have gotten a degree if I'd planned this career though.


All you need say is "Mariner."

DSK

The Suzuki DF2.5 HP
 

On May 31, 4:37*am, wrote: Turns out I am right. Jay, is
actually Craig Billings, of North Carolina, and has started similar
"play dumb" threads like this elsewhere.


Turns out you were just as wrong in your grossly amateur sleuth
work as you were with your bogus outboard advice. Craig is a neighbor
who rides dirt bikes and I let him use my computer when his went on
the blink. He ran into some pompous know-it-all egomaniac on some
motorcycle group (guess there's one on every group, huh Salty?) and
apparently was giving them some crap there. And my birth certificate
still says Jay Smith and you are now 0 for 2, only one more to your
strikeout.

BTW, are you also in the custom of lying? I distinctly remember
you said you were plonking me and were bowing out of the thread but
you just keep coming back. LOL Strange.

--Jay
(Still living on the West coast a few houses down from Craig Billings,
never even been to North Carolina, and wondering where Salty dreamed
up the North Carolina scenario...ooops maybe that's 0 for 3 now?)