"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:57:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I've been on 22' (and smaller) sailboats towed at planing speed....
Always in calm weather, it's also true. It's a waste of gas, but it
does get you home faster.

Not a problem with nearly all daysailors. I used to tow 16 foot scows
regularly. Racers who had the wind die. Scows are somewhat
interesting, by the way. The A scows are 38 foot and 1850 lbs. They
can do at least 25 under sail. All the scows have twin rudders, pretty
rare for monohulls.

Casady
Usually, before starting to tow a boat a waiver has to be signed and agreed
by the captain of the boat being towed.

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Usually, before starting to tow a boat a waiver has to be signed and
agreed by the captain of the boat being towed.


Negligence can't be waived.

"Tony Helton" wrote in message
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Usually, before starting to tow a boat a waiver has to be signed and
agreed by the captain of the boat being towed.


Negligence can't be waived.

Let's make this clear, I am not for any parties in this dispute.
Between the common law, maritime law and jurisprudence you have a good
point.
Then you throw the "Act of god" in to this and we have a good blend.
In many instances a waiver is accepted over the a radio or sat/phone
transmissions and deemed as legal.
As you have stated "negligence" cannot be waived. However, negligence can
be applicable to the towee and tower.
I some jurisprudence the captain having the most proven skill and experience
has been seriously questioned?

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"Tony Helton" wrote in message
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Usually, before starting to tow a boat a waiver has to be signed and
agreed by the captain of the boat being towed.

Negligence can't be waived.

Let's make this clear, I am not for any parties in this dispute.
Between the common law, maritime law and jurisprudence you have a good
point.
Then you throw the "Act of god" in to this and we have a good blend.
In many instances a waiver is accepted over the a radio or sat/phone
transmissions and deemed as legal.
As you have stated "negligence" cannot be waived. However, negligence can
be applicable to the towee and tower.
I some jurisprudence the captain having the most proven skill and experience
has been seriously questioned?




My experience with the Canadian coasties has been pretty good. One
night, daughter and I turned out in the cold and dark, they found us a
room in the town next door.

A couple of weeks later they gave me a tow into Twillingate after I lost
my engine.

I found them to stand a regular VHF watch, though sometimes it was a bit
difficult getting them or, having got them the operator was far, far
away and unfamiliar with the harbour I was in.

Canadian Coasties are civil service, not military. Therefore they tend
to be locals and more "professional" in that they are making a career of
it. I would not be surprised at all if some of the ships crew were
either related or family acquaintances of the sealer. They will have a
lot of explaining to do at the bar, be it the legal or neighborhood
variety. My heart goes out to all involved.

Also, did anyone here follow the events in last years sealing season?
There were just bunches of boats caught in the ice. And the ferrys up
there are all pretty much in tough shape, so the breakers have been
having to keep ways open for them. Hell last week the Caribou, 300+ of
ice rated ferry, got caught outside of Sydney and it took two days and a
breaker to get her in. So these guys have been working there buts off.
Perhaps fatigue was an issue.

Check out current ice conditions he
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/app/WsvPr...11091&Lang=eng

USCG during Nam was a good place to go to not go to Nam. The boat
service had a lot of folks who were scary in a boat. Aviation was
generally better because you had some real tough A school to get through
first. Still, there are stories best left untold. Least anyone be
tempted to snicker at the Canuks check out the USCG project Deepwater
fiasco.

hpeer wrote:

Canadian Coasties are civil service, not military. Therefore they tend
to be locals and more "professional" in that they are making a career of
it. I would not be surprised at all if some of the ships crew were
either related or family acquaintances of the sealer. They will have a
lot of explaining to do at the bar, be it the legal or neighborhood
variety. My heart goes out to all involved.


I dunno, I do know a few Canadian Coasties, and unfortunatly they are
like many civil servants, (and being one myself I both recognize the
type and apologize, many of us are hard working, dedicated loyal and
honest). Further as to knowing the sealers in question, I have my
doubts as the Madelaines are French, not Canadian territory, (what the
hell are they doing sealing in Canadian waters! ;-) ).

Cheers
Marty

"Marty" wrote in message
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hpeer wrote:

Canadian Coasties are civil service, not military. Therefore they tend
to be locals and more "professional" in that they are making a career of
it. I would not be surprised at all if some of the ships crew were
either related or family acquaintances of the sealer. They will have a
lot of explaining to do at the bar, be it the legal or neighborhood
variety. My heart goes out to all involved.


I dunno, I do know a few Canadian Coasties, and unfortunatly they are like
many civil servants, (and being one myself I both recognize the type and
apologize, many of us are hard working, dedicated loyal and honest).
Further as to knowing the sealers in question, I have my doubts as the
Madelaines are French, not Canadian territory, (what the hell are they
doing sealing in Canadian waters! ;-) ).

Cheers
Marty


Uh uh!
those Islands belong to Quebec...
http://www.tourismeilesdelamadeleine.../index_ang.cfm
Don't confuse them with St. Pierre et Miquelon islands south of Newfoundland
which are a French territory.
http://www.routehsp.com/Routehsp.com/Welcome.html

Don White wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message



Uh uh!
those Islands belong to Quebec...
http://www.tourismeilesdelamadeleine.../index_ang.cfm
Don't confuse them with St. Pierre et Miquelon islands south of Newfoundland
which are a French territory.
http://www.routehsp.com/Routehsp.com/Welcome.html

Oops! don't know what I was thinking....

Cheers
Marty



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Marty wrote:
hpeer wrote:

Canadian Coasties are civil service, not military. Therefore they
tend to be locals and more "professional" in that they are making a
career of it. I would not be surprised at all if some of the ships
crew were either related or family acquaintances of the sealer. They
will have a lot of explaining to do at the bar, be it the legal or
neighborhood variety. My heart goes out to all involved.


I dunno, I do know a few Canadian Coasties, and unfortunatly they are
like many civil servants, (and being one myself I both recognize the
type and apologize, many of us are hard working, dedicated loyal and
honest). Further as to knowing the sealers in question, I have my
doubts as the Madelaines are French, not Canadian territory, (what the
hell are they doing sealing in Canadian waters! ;-) ).

Cheers
Marty
Marty,

You are correct that it is less likely they knew them because they were
from the Madelaines. I forgot that detail. Your other points are well
taken also.

Marty wrote:
hpeer wrote:

Canadian Coasties are civil service, not military. Therefore they
tend to be locals and more "professional" in that they are making a
career of it. I would not be surprised at all if some of the ships
crew were either related or family acquaintances of the sealer. They
will have a lot of explaining to do at the bar, be it the legal or
neighborhood variety. My heart goes out to all involved.


I dunno, I do know a few Canadian Coasties, and unfortunatly they are
like many civil servants, (and being one myself I both recognize the
type and apologize, many of us are hard working, dedicated loyal and
honest). Further as to knowing the sealers in question, I have my
doubts as the Madelaines are French, not Canadian territory, (what the
hell are they doing sealing in Canadian waters! ;-) ).

Cheers
Marty
Marty,

You are correct that it is less likely they knew them because they were
from the Madelaines. I forgot that detail. Your other points are well
taken also.

More here, truly sad:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundlan...ast-guard.html

hpeer wrote:


You are correct that it is less likely they knew them because they were
from the Madelaines. I forgot that detail. Your other points are well
taken also.

actually I'm not, see Don's post.

More here, truly sad:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundlan...ast-guard.html



Looks like a mess alright. Sealers and fishermen generally have no love
of the Coast Guard when the CG are performing their regulatory duties
and people do love to blame the Government for just about anything; I'm
going to take everything I read about this tragedy with a large grain of
salt. I'll wait for the outcomes of the various investigations, I'm
sure there'll be enough blame to go around.

Cheers
Marty