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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:06:36 -0500, Wayne.B
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:51:54 -0500, wrote:

I also probably spend less time then you looking for wind, as I know
where to
look.

Not likely since my trawler goes pretty well in no wind at all. I'm
still interested in knowing what kind of sailboat you have that goes
well in 2 kts.

I, of course was referring back to your claim of looking for wind on
LIS when you sailed in sailboats. At least that's what you were
claiming.

I also don't recall using the word "well" when describing sailing in
very light winds of as little as 2 kts. Then again, I consider being
out on the water and enjoying myself to be the goal of sailing "well".
I'm sure you meant something else, which is why you are now a
stinkpotter.

With 2 knots of wind, and perhaps assistance of tides and currents, I
don't need to use my motor as much as you seem to think I do, which
was also your claim, not mine. I don't think I claimed I was traveling
as fast in those instances as I would if I decided to motor over to
where I felt I would find a little more wind.

It doesn't matter that much what boat I have, as many sailboats can,
and do, operate in this fashion. Mine is a C&C 27 Mark 5, which is a
relatively light boat with a tall rig and able to carry a lot of sail
area. I don't even have the drag of a propeller in the water. It's
rare that I can't find enough wind and current to keep it moving. Even
in the 5 or 6 weeks out of our 6 month season when winds are
notoriously light, it's rare to find a whole day with no wind.

Light air is where you find out who really knows how to sail and get
the most out of a boat.


I have missed the beginning of this thread.
Can someone recap the original question in a nutshell.
TIA

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:00:37 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

But, IMO, the intersection
of day racing skills and long distance cruising skills isn't all that
big...

True. Diesel repair, for example. Radar, sonar, GPS. Sewing and
repairs of any kind.

Casady

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:12:01 -0500, Rosalie B.
wrote:

I wouldn't agree with that. People who have our type boat are
perfectly happy in conditions that most racers and other cruisers turn
back in.

Boats Vary.
Passagemakers, for example, need to be good to go in nearly any
weather. Running may not be practical. Anchoring is out of the quesion
in mid Atlantic. Little land to hide behind etc etc etc.

Casady

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On 5 Mar 2008 12:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:56:03 -0500, said:


Light air is where you find out who really knows how to sail and get
the most

When I was a young whippersnapper I used to mouth such sentiments. Now I
figure I don't have to prove anything to anybody by "getting the most" out
of the boat sitting there with the sails slatting about. So if the wind is
2
kts. I'll leave the boat on the mooring and do something a bit more
edifying.

I guess if I didn't have a wife, or a steady stream of friends that
wanted to go sailing with me, I might feel the same. Fortunately, I
don't need to be doing hull speed to enjoy time on the water. You have
my sympathy.

On top of that, your boat would be standing still or even going
backwards in conditions where I make steady progress going forwards.
Your boat is about the same rough dimensions as mine, but weighs about
50% more than mine, shorter rig, and carries less sail. Do you even
own a spinnaker? Multiple headsails?

C&C 27-5
weight 4720 pounds
sail area 343 square feet
air draft 39.4 feet

CS27
weight 6100 pounds
sail area 299 square feet
air draft 37 feet




I don't get it... my boat (Sabre 30), which weights about 8000 and about 430
sq ft of sail area, will sail just fine in a couple of knots of wind. I have
yet to use my drifter, so I'm talking about sailing with a working jib.
Sure, I'm not outrunning the jetskis, but we do move along. Might not get
anywhere or be going in the wrong direction due to the current, but the
sails are working.



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www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:34:23 -0500, said:

Yes, and it also may explain why you think sailing in light air isn't
enjoyable.
Maybe the new sail will bring back some of the fun for you.

Old sails, new sails...slatting about in 2kts of wind with powerboat wakes
and the August sun beating down isn't fun.

As the captain of your boat it is YOUR decision to sail in those conditions.
May I suggest YOU take personal responsibility for your decisions and stop
your complaining. While there's not much that can be done to conjure up some
wind, other than whistling, it is very easy to avoid powerboat wakes. Just
sail off soundings. There you will find few or no powerboat wakes. As for
the August sun beating down, try sailing in higher latitudes where the
temperature is more bearable. After all, one of the biggest reasons to sail
is to be able to follow the seasons so as to have close to optimal weather
the year round.

The bottom line is if you think and act like a lubber then sailing will
rarely suit you. If sailing only interests you when the wind is perfect,
there are no other boats in sight, the temperature is in the low 70's, the
women are naked and hot to trot and the drinks have plenty of ice in them
then you should consider just staying home.

Wilbur Hubbard