On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:23:00 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

SKIP: How many real boats do you know that are named after land
animals???

I know of vessels named
Petral
Jeager
Halibut
Puffin
Sea Lion

But I dont know of any sea boats with a land animal name. At least one
that is still floating

SS Badger on Lake Michigan. A ferry, it burns coal and it has piston
engines.

Casady

On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote:

Hi:

And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation......
NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.

So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all
sort of discusting things...

Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well.

Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial
animal name

bob

Bob wrote:

On Mar 1, 6:01*pm, Rosalie B. wrote:

Hi:

And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation......

No they weren't. One was Passenger (Uninspected) and one was
Unclassified.

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.

I've been following the CG documentation site for some time (8 or 10
years). Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

I have a list of 378 CSYs most of the documented and there is only one
of them that has a Coastwise designation without Recreational or
Fishing added. Some are Passenger, and some are Unclassified. But
the majority are Recreational.

Names of the boats on the list include Emerald Dragon (has been to
South America), El Unicorn (SSCA Commodores), one formerly named
Hungry Heifer (was in charter in the Chesapeake and now in St.
Thomas), one that was Sailin' Bear, one that was Floating Bear, Ol'
Dog 2 (also SSCA), several named Pegasus, and Peter Rabbit. All
documented Recreational.

The documentation has nothing to do with reality.

In case you are not familiar with SSCA Membership requirements:

*
*The applicant(s) must have been an Associate member of the SSCA and lived aboard his or her own sailboat for at least 12 consecutive months prior to making this application. The boat must have been the principal residence of the Applicant (s) at the time of application.
*# Distance
*One of the following cruising distance requirements must be met:
*
* 1. 1,000 mile ocean passage nonstop, or
* 2. 1,500 mile offshore passage with not more than one stop, or
* 3. 2,000 mile coastal passage with unlimited stops (one stop must be at least 1,000 miles from the starting point, excluding waterways, lakes, rivers and canals).


So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all
sort of discusting things...

Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well.

Yes people display a shocking lack of taste when naming boats. There's
only one documented Blow Job, but there are 30 boats named Wet Spot.

Bagger.......... like I said, no worthy Sea Boat has a terestial
animal name

Our boat is listed as Recreational and so is a 33 foot boat that I'm
quite familiar with - they've been offshore to Halifax, and also over
to the Canaries, and presently are in the Med. Also friends of ours
who started out in the Virgin Islands, went through the Panama Canal,
spent two years in the Baja, and are now in Fiji. On a boat
classified as Recreational.
grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

On Mar 2, 7:13*am, Rosalie B. wrote:

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.


*Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

Hey there granny,

maybe I should re phrase my word choice, Few if any WORKING boats on
salt water have land animal names.
just because a sailboat.trawler bumbles around the ocean does not make
it a working boat. Take Joe and Skip. They both claim to be
experienced sailors yet each's record is an example of their skill
level.

Yes, the working fleets, once operated by those who had knowledge and
a respect for maritime history and tradition, are few now days. I
supoose next Skip will self certify his 360 days on the Pig, take a
test, and get his 50 grt master license and claim he is a seasoned
Captain.............. with years of experience.

But a few of us out there will mourn the fact that any nuckle head can
get a captains license and name their boat Heffer or Rodent or Cow
Patty or other such lubberly dribble........

Bob
Sorry I took your husbands name. no insult intended.....

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
news
Bob wrote:

On Mar 1, 6:01 pm, Rosalie B. wrote:

Hi:

And do you notice that all have a Recreational documentation......

No they weren't. One was Passenger (Uninspected) and one was
Unclassified.

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.

I've been following the CG documentation site for some time (8 or 10
years). Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

I have a list of 378 CSYs most of the documented and there is only one
of them that has a Coastwise designation without Recreational or
Fishing added. Some are Passenger, and some are Unclassified. But
the majority are Recreational.

Names of the boats on the list include Emerald Dragon (has been to
South America), El Unicorn (SSCA Commodores), one formerly named
Hungry Heifer (was in charter in the Chesapeake and now in St.
Thomas), one that was Sailin' Bear, one that was Floating Bear, Ol'
Dog 2 (also SSCA), several named Pegasus, and Peter Rabbit. All
documented Recreational.

The documentation has nothing to do with reality.

In case you are not familiar with SSCA Membership requirements:

*
*The applicant(s) must have been an Associate member of the SSCA and lived
aboard his or her own sailboat for at least 12 consecutive months prior to
making this application. The boat must have been the principal residence
of the Applicant (s) at the time of application.
*# Distance
*One of the following cruising distance requirements must be met:
*
* 1. 1,000 mile ocean passage nonstop, or
* 2. 1,500 mile offshore passage with not more than one stop, or
* 3. 2,000 mile coastal passage with unlimited stops (one stop must be
at least 1,000 miles from the starting point, excluding waterways, lakes,
rivers and canals).


So it looks to be a bunch of luberly lake people name their boats all
sort of discusting things...

Hell, why not Blow Job or maybe Wet Spot...... as well.

Yes people display a shocking lack of taste when naming boats. There's
only one documented Blow Job, but there are 30 boats named Wet Spot.

I saw one called Blood Vessel and another called Windward Sausage. Not sure
about their documentation status.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

maybe I should re phrase my word choice, Few if any WORKING boats on
salt water have land animal names.

A Lake Michigan car ferry is admittedly not a boat, or on salt water.
SS Badger has piston engines and burns coal.

Casady

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

On Mar 2, 7:13*am, Rosalie B. wrote:

NONE are Coast Wise.... But I suppose you could also find a few pig
boats that were documented Coast Wise too.


*Those designations are not consistent at all, and have
nothing to do with how the boat is used and/or what the boat is
capable of.

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

Hey there granny,

maybe I should re phrase my word ch
salt water have land animal names.
just because a sailboat.trawler bumbles around the ocean does not make
it a working boat. Take Joe and Skip. They both claim to be
experienced sailors yet each's record is an example of their skill
level.

Yes, the working fleets, once operated by those who had knowledge and
a respect for maritime history and tradition, are few now days. I
supoose next Skip will self certify his 360 days on the Pig, take a
test, and get his 50 grt master license and claim he is a seasoned
Captain.............. with years of experience.

But a few of us out there will mourn the fact that any nuckle head can
get a captains license and name their boat Heffer or Rodent or Cow
Patty or other such lubberly dribble........

Bob
Sorry I took your husbands name. no insult intended.....

I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite
group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for maritime history
and tradition" but here is a list of British naval vessels, from the
1618 - 1642 naval List, with land animal names. I have deliberately
used the early list to illustrate that the practice of using animal
names is not a new one.

Name Date launched Fate
White Bear 1599 Sold 1629
(Red) Lion 1609 Rebuilt 1640
Antelope 1618 Burnt in 1649
Unicorn 1634 Sold in 1688
Leopard 1635 Captured by the Dutch in 1653
Lion 640 Rebuilt in 1658
Tiger 1647 Rebuilt in 1681
Antelope 1651 Wrecked in 1652
Leopard 1659 Sunk 1699.

It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

On Mar 2, 5:38*pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob

I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite
group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for ....


Nope. Those limie war ships do not qualify. As our miltary also names
their boats after just about anybody. Hell even Ronald Rayguns got a
boat.

SO if your going international lets take a look at the Polish fishing
fleet under Soviet rule.
First the Polls refer to their boats as HE... as do several other
cultures. Polish boats ive worked on:
Kantar = small salt water fish
Admmiral Archischisky = Polish Naval skipper
Kalmar = Squid
Mustel = not sure
Dolphine = porpoise
Riekin = another fish

Now for there merchant fleet... their cargo boats are all named after
moutains as in Gorda

SO I guess we could go all over the world and get another slant on
"maritime history n tradtion"

So what do those "you buy me drink" girls call boats n your
neighborhood??



It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about.

Bruce-in-Bangkok

Sorry Bruce I do, its just that your mind works a little to
international. Once you cite the Limmies as a source it opens th whole
world as potential examples.

I was thinking a bit more local.........

Here is something else for you to research. SOME de-naming events say,
EVERYTHING on a boat with the old name must be removed befor the new
naming act occures. Ever wonder why? I dont know if its the "true
origin" but I came up with a rather practical reason for removing
EVERYTHING with teh old name from the boat.

Whats your take Bruce?
Bob

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:01:52 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

On Mar 2, 5:38*pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:41:16 -0800 (PST), Bob

I'm not sure whether you would number the Royal Navy among your elite
group of "those who had knowledge and a respect for ....


Nope. Those limie war ships do not qualify. As our miltary also names
their boats after just about anybody. Hell even Ronald Rayguns got a
boat.

SO if your going international lets take a look at the Polish fishing
fleet under Soviet rule.
First the Polls refer to their boats as HE... as do several other
cultures. Polish boats ive worked on:
Kantar = small salt water fish
Admmiral Archischisky = Polish Naval skipper
Kalmar = Squid
Mustel = not sure
Dolphine = porpoise
Riekin = another fish

Now for there merchant fleet... their cargo boats are all named after
moutains as in Gorda

SO I guess we could go all over the world and get another slant on
"maritime history n tradtion"

So what do those "you buy me drink" girls call boats n your
neighborhood??



It appears Sir, that you do not know what you are talking about.

Bruce-in-Bangkok

Sorry Bruce I do, its just that your mind works a little to
international. Once you cite the Limmies as a source it opens th whole
world as potential examples.

I was thinking a bit more local.........

Here is something else for you to research. SOME de-naming events say,
EVERYTHING on a boat with the old name must be removed befor the new
naming act occures. Ever wonder why? I dont know if its the "true
origin" but I came up with a rather practical reason for removing
EVERYTHING with teh old name from the boat.

Whats your take Bruce?
Bob

You used the term "those who had knowledge and a respect for ...." so
I assumed that you meant what you said. However, perhaps you actually
mean it to apply only to the U.S. and exclude all other countries, or
do you mean some specific area of the U.S.; New England Coast?
Chesapeake Bay? San Francisco bay?.

As far as changing a vessel's name I'm afraid that you need to quote a
source for that as certainly as far back as the 1500's we have written
evidence that vessel names were changed, with apparently no problems.
Quite the contrary, some of them were unbelievably lucky after the
name change. .

In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing
and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off
the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad
luck was accrued by the name change.

No, what you HAVE to do is set off a string of firecrackers at the
stern of the boat when you leave anchor. This scares the devils off
the boat and allows you to sail off and leave them rather then having
them stay aboard where they can cause innumerable problems.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...

In my own case I just painted a new name on the stern and went sailing
and seeing that I rode out the recent Thai tsunami some 15 miles off
the island of Phi Phi, in Pha Nga Bay, I can't believe that any bad
luck was accrued by the name change.


Ha ha ha, Brucie Boy! What an IDIOT you are! Any knowledgeable sailor knows
that there is no such thing as a noticeable tsunami well offshore. It's only
when such a wave hits shoal water or a beach that it heaps up into a
noticeable height. A tsunami is not even noticeable in deep water as it
might be all of three or four feet high but with a wavelength of half a mile
or so.

If you were a real sailor as you claim you would know this. Again, I say you
are a fraud or a wannabe. You show your ignorance of things nautical daily.
Please go away. Maybe you and Skippy should get together and swap some
tales. He's about your speed. Just another wannabe.

Wilbur Hubbard