I'm leaning towards purchasing a mooring since I won't be able to find
anywhere else to keep my multihull in the Newport Harbor area. Can
anyone tell me what additional fees go along with owning one? I realize
I will need to use my dingy to go back and forth to get to and from but
do you get docking access to pickup guests, supplies, etc?

Stu

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(Stu and Marilyn Wright) wrote:

I'm leaning towards purchasing a mooring since I won't be able to find
anywhere else to keep my multihull in the Newport Harbor area. Can
anyone tell me what additional fees go along with owning one? I realize
I will need to use my dingy to go back and forth to get to and from but
do you get docking access to pickup guests, supplies, etc?

This is 100% locality dependent.

You have to ask in Newport Harbor area to find that information out.
If you purchase a mooring, you probably won't get any services with
it, and will have to pay a charge for additional services at some
local marina. Call and find out what those charges are.

Sometimes there's a charge (daily/weekly/monthly) for a dinghy dock
which includes those folks that anchor out too. This charge may or
may not include trash disposal, showers or internet access.

If you rent a mooring ball from someone, that's a bit different.
Mooring balls at the City Marina here in Marathon allow you to park
one car, have one bike, and get one pumpout a week. The new guy at
the marina just told someone that there's no dinghy dock and no
showers, but I have a hard time believing that, especially about no
dinghy dock.

The marina where we are now has some slips wide enough for multihulls,
and a lot of times those folks are on a face dock somewhere.


grandma Rosalie

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(Stu and Marilyn Wright) wrote:

I'm leaning towards purchasing a mooring since I won't be able to find
anywhere else to keep my multihull in the Newport Harbor area. Can
anyone tell me what additional fees go along with owning one? I realize
I will need to use my dingy to go back and forth to get to and from but
do you get docking access to pickup guests, supplies, etc?

This is 100% locality dependent.

You have to ask in Newport Harbor area to find that information out.
If you purchase a mooring, you probably won't get any services with
it, and will have to pay a charge for additional services at some
local marina. Call and find out what those charges are.

Sometimes there's a charge (daily/weekly/monthly) for a dinghy dock
which includes those folks that anchor out too. This charge may or
may not include trash disposal, showers or internet access.

If you rent a mooring ball from someone, that's a bit different.
Mooring balls at the City Marina here in Marathon allow you to park
one car, have one bike, and get one pumpout a week. The new guy at
the marina just told someone that there's no dinghy dock and no
showers, but I have a hard time believing that, especially about no
dinghy dock.

The marina where we are now has some slips wide enough for multihulls,
and a lot of times those folks are on a face dock somewhere.


grandma Rosalie

NewPort where??

Different rules in different locations.

Often times the moorings belong to the port authority.. Or a mooring may
only put down with the permission and at the direction of the port
authority.. Once down this authority may maintain jurisdiction over it.

I don't think there is any area in the US left where you can just put a
mooring down without a permit.. Otherwise the coves and waterways would be
clogged with mooring (seems that way already in some areas)..

In some of the more popular areas (Catalina Is. ) the mooring are owned and
maintained by private sailing/cruising or yacht club. The port capt. has
authority to assign them to individuals if there not scheduled for club use.

If you find a mooring forsale, verify that the seller has the right to sell
it or can even convy ownership to you.. Often times this has to be approved
by the port authority that permited the mooring.. And if it's a popular
area, the port authority may have a waiting list for the next mooring for
sale.. (SanDiego Harbor use to be that way with private moorings) As a rule
mooring stay under family ownership for generations..

Once you find a mooring legitimately for sale, then you can start asking
about public docks where you can land and keep you dingy.. If the mooring
field is a publicly owned mooring field, then they usually have a dingy dock
and a parking lot.. In San Diego harbor, there is a dingy dock but the
parking is metered.. However, in the few areas where there are private
moorings, the shoreline is 100% privately owned and you will never get
permission to land your dingy cross their property..

Doesn't sound encouraging and it isn't. I lived on a mooring at a US Navy
marina in SD and really enjoyed it. At that time they had a dingy dock and
other than it being a wet ride in the morning, there was no problem..
However that marina is now under new jurisdiction and no one is allowed to
live onboard at the moorings. In fact they have totally eliminated the dingy
dock and those who have a boat on the moorings now must remove their dingys
from the water each time they land and pay for dingy dry storage on the
docks.

The public preception of living aboard at a mooring or at anchor is that
you will be dumping your sewage overboard (and it happens).. Liveaboards at
the dock have easy and free access to the shoreside heads or porta potty
dumps. From my personal experience, I came into the dock about once a week
and pumped out (matter or record) however there were another half dozen
mooring liveaboard who never pumped out and claimed they always used the
shoreside facilities (yah, right!).

So the biggest draw back, once you find a mooring, will be dingy access,
parking, holding tank pumpout and the public perception that you a bum and
live on a boat so you can smoke your pot unmolested..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

A friend of mine check into setting a mooring as few years ago.
In these parts (northern Chesapeake) you can put a mooring anyplace
you want as long as it is not in a restricted area or would be a hazard
to navigation (in a channel, etc). Once placed, one calls the DNR and
they come out an put a sticker on it and record its owner, location, and
the like. Right-of-way to go ashore is a whole other story. This is
when my friend gave up on the idea. Local marinas wanted to charge
him a fee (and rightfully so), private residences were not interested
in having him tromp across there property and give him a place to
park his car.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...
NewPort where??

Different rules in different locations.

Often times the moorings belong to the port authority.. Or a mooring may
only put down with the permission and at the direction of the port
authority.. Once down this authority may maintain jurisdiction over it.

I don't think there is any area in the US left where you can just put a
mooring down without a permit.. Otherwise the coves and waterways would be
clogged with mooring (seems that way already in some areas)..

In some of the more popular areas (Catalina Is. ) the mooring are owned
and
maintained by private sailing/cruising or yacht club. The port capt. has
authority to assign them to individuals if there not scheduled for club
use.

If you find a mooring forsale, verify that the seller has the right to
sell
it or can even convy ownership to you.. Often times this has to be
approved
by the port authority that permited the mooring.. And if it's a popular
area, the port authority may have a waiting list for the next mooring for
sale.. (SanDiego Harbor use to be that way with private moorings) As a
rule
mooring stay under family ownership for generations..

Once you find a mooring legitimately for sale, then you can start asking
about public docks where you can land and keep you dingy.. If the mooring
field is a publicly owned mooring field, then they usually have a dingy
dock
and a parking lot.. In San Diego harbor, there is a dingy dock but the
parking is metered.. However, in the few areas where there are private
moorings, the shoreline is 100% privately owned and you will never get
permission to land your dingy cross their property..

Doesn't sound encouraging and it isn't. I lived on a mooring at a US Navy
marina in SD and really enjoyed it. At that time they had a dingy dock and
other than it being a wet ride in the morning, there was no problem..
However that marina is now under new jurisdiction and no one is allowed to
live onboard at the moorings. In fact they have totally eliminated the
dingy
dock and those who have a boat on the moorings now must remove their
dingys
from the water each time they land and pay for dingy dry storage on the
docks.

The public preception of living aboard at a mooring or at anchor is that
you will be dumping your sewage overboard (and it happens).. Liveaboards
at
the dock have easy and free access to the shoreside heads or porta potty
dumps. From my personal experience, I came into the dock about once a week
and pumped out (matter or record) however there were another half dozen
mooring liveaboard who never pumped out and claimed they always used the
shoreside facilities (yah, right!).

So the biggest draw back, once you find a mooring, will be dingy access,
parking, holding tank pumpout and the public perception that you a bum and
live on a boat so you can smoke your pot unmolested..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

A friend of mine check into setting a mooring as few years ago.
In these parts (northern Chesapeake) you can put a mooring anyplace
you want as long as it is not in a restricted area or would be a hazard
to navigation (in a channel, etc). Once placed, one calls the DNR and
they come out an put a sticker on it and record its owner, location, and
the like. Right-of-way to go ashore is a whole other story. This is
when my friend gave up on the idea. Local marinas wanted to charge
him a fee (and rightfully so), private residences were not interested
in having him tromp across there property and give him a place to
park his car.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Steve" wrote in message
...
NewPort where??

Different rules in different locations.

Often times the moorings belong to the port authority.. Or a mooring may
only put down with the permission and at the direction of the port
authority.. Once down this authority may maintain jurisdiction over it.

I don't think there is any area in the US left where you can just put a
mooring down without a permit.. Otherwise the coves and waterways would be
clogged with mooring (seems that way already in some areas)..

In some of the more popular areas (Catalina Is. ) the mooring are owned
and
maintained by private sailing/cruising or yacht club. The port capt. has
authority to assign them to individuals if there not scheduled for club
use.

If you find a mooring forsale, verify that the seller has the right to
sell
it or can even convy ownership to you.. Often times this has to be
approved
by the port authority that permited the mooring.. And if it's a popular
area, the port authority may have a waiting list for the next mooring for
sale.. (SanDiego Harbor use to be that way with private moorings) As a
rule
mooring stay under family ownership for generations..

Once you find a mooring legitimately for sale, then you can start asking
about public docks where you can land and keep you dingy.. If the mooring
field is a publicly owned mooring field, then they usually have a dingy
dock
and a parking lot.. In San Diego harbor, there is a dingy dock but the
parking is metered.. However, in the few areas where there are private
moorings, the shoreline is 100% privately owned and you will never get
permission to land your dingy cross their property..

Doesn't sound encouraging and it isn't. I lived on a mooring at a US Navy
marina in SD and really enjoyed it. At that time they had a dingy dock and
other than it being a wet ride in the morning, there was no problem..
However that marina is now under new jurisdiction and no one is allowed to
live onboard at the moorings. In fact they have totally eliminated the
dingy
dock and those who have a boat on the moorings now must remove their
dingys
from the water each time they land and pay for dingy dry storage on the
docks.

The public preception of living aboard at a mooring or at anchor is that
you will be dumping your sewage overboard (and it happens).. Liveaboards
at
the dock have easy and free access to the shoreside heads or porta potty
dumps. From my personal experience, I came into the dock about once a week
and pumped out (matter or record) however there were another half dozen
mooring liveaboard who never pumped out and claimed they always used the
shoreside facilities (yah, right!).

So the biggest draw back, once you find a mooring, will be dingy access,
parking, holding tank pumpout and the public perception that you a bum and
live on a boat so you can smoke your pot unmolested..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Yo Steve.....when were you at the NAB marina??? We lived at slip F=18
for three years.
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:09:39 -0800, "Steve" wrote:

NewPort where??

Different rules in different locations.

Often times the moorings belong to the port authority.. Or a mooring may
only put down with the permission and at the direction of the port
authority.. Once down this authority may maintain jurisdiction over it.

I don't think there is any area in the US left where you can just put a
mooring down without a permit.. Otherwise the coves and waterways would be
clogged with mooring (seems that way already in some areas)..

In some of the more popular areas (Catalina Is. ) the mooring are owned and
maintained by private sailing/cruising or yacht club. The port capt. has
authority to assign them to individuals if there not scheduled for club use.

If you find a mooring forsale, verify that the seller has the right to sell
it or can even convy ownership to you.. Often times this has to be approved
by the port authority that permited the mooring.. And if it's a popular
area, the port authority may have a waiting list for the next mooring for
sale.. (SanDiego Harbor use to be that way with private moorings) As a rule
mooring stay under family ownership for generations..

Once you find a mooring legitimately for sale, then you can start asking
about public docks where you can land and keep you dingy.. If the mooring
field is a publicly owned mooring field, then they usually have a dingy dock
and a parking lot.. In San Diego harbor, there is a dingy dock but the
parking is metered.. However, in the few areas where there are private
moorings, the shoreline is 100% privately owned and you will never get
permission to land your dingy cross their property..

Doesn't sound encouraging and it isn't. I lived on a mooring at a US Navy
marina in SD and really enjoyed it. At that time they had a dingy dock and
other than it being a wet ride in the morning, there was no problem..
However that marina is now under new jurisdiction and no one is allowed to
live onboard at the moorings. In fact they have totally eliminated the dingy
dock and those who have a boat on the moorings now must remove their dingys
from the water each time they land and pay for dingy dry storage on the
docks.

The public preception of living aboard at a mooring or at anchor is that
you will be dumping your sewage overboard (and it happens).. Liveaboards at
the dock have easy and free access to the shoreside heads or porta potty
dumps. From my personal experience, I came into the dock about once a week
and pumped out (matter or record) however there were another half dozen
mooring liveaboard who never pumped out and claimed they always used the
shoreside facilities (yah, right!).

So the biggest draw back, once you find a mooring, will be dingy access,
parking, holding tank pumpout and the public perception that you a bum and
live on a boat so you can smoke your pot unmolested..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I had my Cheoy Lee Clipper 33 in a slip on F dock for a while from '89 then
moved to NTC marina for a couple years, then I move back to NAB in '92. When
my name finally came up for live aboard I went to the moorings. I waited 4
years on the mooring liveaboard waiting list. My name was still on the
'liveaboard at the dock' list, for 8 years and they finally just kicked all
the military retiree liveaboards out last year. Only active duty can get
permission to live aboard..

When I return nex fall, I will go to the moorings and play declare my status
as cruising/transit for as long as I can get away with it..

Another alternative would be to 'free anchor outside their jurisdiction,
rent a slip just big enough to keep a dingy and live on the boat while
parked at the marina.

The port authority now has some time limits on the duration of free
anchoring, unless we go out to the wind swept A10 anchorage.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I had my Cheoy Lee Clipper 33 in a slip on F dock for a while from '89 then
moved to NTC marina for a couple years, then I move back to NAB in '92. When
my name finally came up for live aboard I went to the moorings. I waited 4
years on the mooring liveaboard waiting list. My name was still on the
'liveaboard at the dock' list, for 8 years and they finally just kicked all
the military retiree liveaboards out last year. Only active duty can get
permission to live aboard..

When I return nex fall, I will go to the moorings and play declare my status
as cruising/transit for as long as I can get away with it..

Another alternative would be to 'free anchor outside their jurisdiction,
rent a slip just big enough to keep a dingy and live on the boat while
parked at the marina.

The port authority now has some time limits on the duration of free
anchoring, unless we go out to the wind swept A10 anchorage.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Yo Steve.....when were you at the NAB marina??? We lived at slip F=18
for three years.
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:09:39 -0800, "Steve" wrote:

NewPort where??

Different rules in different locations.

Often times the moorings belong to the port authority.. Or a mooring may
only put down with the permission and at the direction of the port
authority.. Once down this authority may maintain jurisdiction over it.

I don't think there is any area in the US left where you can just put a
mooring down without a permit.. Otherwise the coves and waterways would be
clogged with mooring (seems that way already in some areas)..

In some of the more popular areas (Catalina Is. ) the mooring are owned and
maintained by private sailing/cruising or yacht club. The port capt. has
authority to assign them to individuals if there not scheduled for club use.

If you find a mooring forsale, verify that the seller has the right to sell
it or can even convy ownership to you.. Often times this has to be approved
by the port authority that permited the mooring.. And if it's a popular
area, the port authority may have a waiting list for the next mooring for
sale.. (SanDiego Harbor use to be that way with private moorings) As a rule
mooring stay under family ownership for generations..

Once you find a mooring legitimately for sale, then you can start asking
about public docks where you can land and keep you dingy.. If the mooring
field is a publicly owned mooring field, then they usually have a dingy dock
and a parking lot.. In San Diego harbor, there is a dingy dock but the
parking is metered.. However, in the few areas where there are private
moorings, the shoreline is 100% privately owned and you will never get
permission to land your dingy cross their property..

Doesn't sound encouraging and it isn't. I lived on a mooring at a US Navy
marina in SD and really enjoyed it. At that time they had a dingy dock and
other than it being a wet ride in the morning, there was no problem..
However that marina is now under new jurisdiction and no one is allowed to
live onboard at the moorings. In fact they have totally eliminated the dingy
dock and those who have a boat on the moorings now must remove their dingys
from the water each time they land and pay for dingy dry storage on the
docks.

The public preception of living aboard at a mooring or at anchor is that
you will be dumping your sewage overboard (and it happens).. Liveaboards at
the dock have easy and free access to the shoreside heads or porta potty
dumps. From my personal experience, I came into the dock about once a week
and pumped out (matter or record) however there were another half dozen
mooring liveaboard who never pumped out and claimed they always used the
shoreside facilities (yah, right!).

So the biggest draw back, once you find a mooring, will be dingy access,
parking, holding tank pumpout and the public perception that you a bum and
live on a boat so you can smoke your pot unmolested..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions