Life on a mooring in Australia sounds a bit more appealing than your other
respondents have experienced. I pay an annual fee for the position (to the
Government), I supply and maintain the apparatus, the City provides the
parking, the pump out and the wharf. It is fantastic. You can stay aboard
a day or two, I don't think they would like you living there.


"Stu and Marilyn Wright" wrote in message
...
I'm leaning towards purchasing a mooring since I won't be able to find
anywhere else to keep my multihull in the Newport Harbor area. Can
anyone tell me what additional fees go along with owning one? I realize
I will need to use my dingy to go back and forth to get to and from but
do you get docking access to pickup guests, supplies, etc?

Stu

Yo Steve.....when were you at the NAB marina??? We lived at slip F=18
for three years.
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:09:39 -0800, "Steve" wrote:

NewPort where??

Different rules in different locations.

Often times the moorings belong to the port authority.. Or a mooring may
only put down with the permission and at the direction of the port
authority.. Once down this authority may maintain jurisdiction over it.

I don't think there is any area in the US left where you can just put a
mooring down without a permit.. Otherwise the coves and waterways would be
clogged with mooring (seems that way already in some areas)..

In some of the more popular areas (Catalina Is. ) the mooring are owned and
maintained by private sailing/cruising or yacht club. The port capt. has
authority to assign them to individuals if there not scheduled for club use.

If you find a mooring forsale, verify that the seller has the right to sell
it or can even convy ownership to you.. Often times this has to be approved
by the port authority that permited the mooring.. And if it's a popular
area, the port authority may have a waiting list for the next mooring for
sale.. (SanDiego Harbor use to be that way with private moorings) As a rule
mooring stay under family ownership for generations..

Once you find a mooring legitimately for sale, then you can start asking
about public docks where you can land and keep you dingy.. If the mooring
field is a publicly owned mooring field, then they usually have a dingy dock
and a parking lot.. In San Diego harbor, there is a dingy dock but the
parking is metered.. However, in the few areas where there are private
moorings, the shoreline is 100% privately owned and you will never get
permission to land your dingy cross their property..

Doesn't sound encouraging and it isn't. I lived on a mooring at a US Navy
marina in SD and really enjoyed it. At that time they had a dingy dock and
other than it being a wet ride in the morning, there was no problem..
However that marina is now under new jurisdiction and no one is allowed to
live onboard at the moorings. In fact they have totally eliminated the dingy
dock and those who have a boat on the moorings now must remove their dingys
from the water each time they land and pay for dingy dry storage on the
docks.

The public preception of living aboard at a mooring or at anchor is that
you will be dumping your sewage overboard (and it happens).. Liveaboards at
the dock have easy and free access to the shoreside heads or porta potty
dumps. From my personal experience, I came into the dock about once a week
and pumped out (matter or record) however there were another half dozen
mooring liveaboard who never pumped out and claimed they always used the
shoreside facilities (yah, right!).

So the biggest draw back, once you find a mooring, will be dingy access,
parking, holding tank pumpout and the public perception that you a bum and
live on a boat so you can smoke your pot unmolested..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Yo Steve.....when were you at the NAB marina??? We lived at slip F=18
for three years.
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:09:39 -0800, "Steve" wrote:

NewPort where??

Different rules in different locations.

Often times the moorings belong to the port authority.. Or a mooring may
only put down with the permission and at the direction of the port
authority.. Once down this authority may maintain jurisdiction over it.

I don't think there is any area in the US left where you can just put a
mooring down without a permit.. Otherwise the coves and waterways would be
clogged with mooring (seems that way already in some areas)..

In some of the more popular areas (Catalina Is. ) the mooring are owned and
maintained by private sailing/cruising or yacht club. The port capt. has
authority to assign them to individuals if there not scheduled for club use.

If you find a mooring forsale, verify that the seller has the right to sell
it or can even convy ownership to you.. Often times this has to be approved
by the port authority that permited the mooring.. And if it's a popular
area, the port authority may have a waiting list for the next mooring for
sale.. (SanDiego Harbor use to be that way with private moorings) As a rule
mooring stay under family ownership for generations..

Once you find a mooring legitimately for sale, then you can start asking
about public docks where you can land and keep you dingy.. If the mooring
field is a publicly owned mooring field, then they usually have a dingy dock
and a parking lot.. In San Diego harbor, there is a dingy dock but the
parking is metered.. However, in the few areas where there are private
moorings, the shoreline is 100% privately owned and you will never get
permission to land your dingy cross their property..

Doesn't sound encouraging and it isn't. I lived on a mooring at a US Navy
marina in SD and really enjoyed it. At that time they had a dingy dock and
other than it being a wet ride in the morning, there was no problem..
However that marina is now under new jurisdiction and no one is allowed to
live onboard at the moorings. In fact they have totally eliminated the dingy
dock and those who have a boat on the moorings now must remove their dingys
from the water each time they land and pay for dingy dry storage on the
docks.

The public preception of living aboard at a mooring or at anchor is that
you will be dumping your sewage overboard (and it happens).. Liveaboards at
the dock have easy and free access to the shoreside heads or porta potty
dumps. From my personal experience, I came into the dock about once a week
and pumped out (matter or record) however there were another half dozen
mooring liveaboard who never pumped out and claimed they always used the
shoreside facilities (yah, right!).

So the biggest draw back, once you find a mooring, will be dingy access,
parking, holding tank pumpout and the public perception that you a bum and
live on a boat so you can smoke your pot unmolested..


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I had my Cheoy Lee Clipper 33 in a slip on F dock for a while from '89 then
moved to NTC marina for a couple years, then I move back to NAB in '92. When
my name finally came up for live aboard I went to the moorings. I waited 4
years on the mooring liveaboard waiting list. My name was still on the
'liveaboard at the dock' list, for 8 years and they finally just kicked all
the military retiree liveaboards out last year. Only active duty can get
permission to live aboard..

When I return nex fall, I will go to the moorings and play declare my status
as cruising/transit for as long as I can get away with it..

Another alternative would be to 'free anchor outside their jurisdiction,
rent a slip just big enough to keep a dingy and live on the boat while
parked at the marina.

The port authority now has some time limits on the duration of free
anchoring, unless we go out to the wind swept A10 anchorage.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I had my Cheoy Lee Clipper 33 in a slip on F dock for a while from '89 then
moved to NTC marina for a couple years, then I move back to NAB in '92. When
my name finally came up for live aboard I went to the moorings. I waited 4
years on the mooring liveaboard waiting list. My name was still on the
'liveaboard at the dock' list, for 8 years and they finally just kicked all
the military retiree liveaboards out last year. Only active duty can get
permission to live aboard..

When I return nex fall, I will go to the moorings and play declare my status
as cruising/transit for as long as I can get away with it..

Another alternative would be to 'free anchor outside their jurisdiction,
rent a slip just big enough to keep a dingy and live on the boat while
parked at the marina.

The port authority now has some time limits on the duration of free
anchoring, unless we go out to the wind swept A10 anchorage.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Hi,
Newport Harbor in California has private moorings that can be purchased. I
want to purchase one in a certain area and I have looked into them. You pay
a fee to the harbor department every year, this mainly is to pay the lease
on the land to the state. You must provide a inspection report on the
mooring to the harbor department every year and you pay for it and any
repairs needed. Dingy dockage is a problem, some private docks rent out a
space, some people also get sand mooring for the dingy. Some of the
businesses have docks you can use within limits. Membership in a yatch club
will get you a shore boat. Parking is even more of a problem.
Avalon has moorings for sale, but I don't want to spend $100,000 to live
there. Better to lease a mooring at Two Harbors but the waiting list is
YEARS. I am on the Catalina Harbor list. Dingy docks included but a permit
for a auto is needed (just to have one).
Mission Bay has space for moorings and you can put your own in. But limits
on size of boat and usage exist.
San Diego bay has moorings. The local dictators *SDUPD* are very boater
unfriendly. They limit the usage in the bay and want their pound of flesh.
What do you expect from someone that is NOT elected and with a business
outlook. The latest change is a private firm managing the moorings, talk
about a sweetheart deal. It takes months to get any mooring and YEARS to
get a choice one. I have a mooring in the America Cup Harbor myself which
means I have a choice one. I am going cruising and I can not make up my
mind to let this go or keep it. It is my choice, if I ever come back to SD
then I would need it. Of course that plays directly in the mooring company
hands. I get charged $140 a month. If I am not using my mooring the
company wants to rent it out to traisent boaters at $7.50 a day and split
the money with me. So they collect $225, give me $112.5, charge me $140, so
net they make $252.50 for a mooring, and I have to pay $27.50 for a mooring
I am not using. Sweet deal!
Other than these places I can tell you a lot about living on a mooring....

Get use to hauling...
You haul water by the gallon
You haul food by the pound
You haul fuel for the boat.
You will need a large backpack, most boats carry them.
Helps you haul, see above.
Carries your shower gear.
Change of shoreside clothing
Warm jacket and poncho for rain
Keys, wallet, sunglasses, and anything else you need.
Get a health club membership for showers, even it you have a shower onboard.
Plan and budget a few days at a dock each month, fill up the water takes,
get the canned goods on board, clean the boat.

If you plan to cruise living on a mooring is a good experience for you. You
learn just what it takes for you to live on the boat. How much electricity,
fuel, food and water you use. Making good lists so that you don't forget
something and have to make another dingy ride. How little it really takes
to live. Getting unplugged, no cable, no internet, no phone maybe, I
choose to live on a mooring just for those reasons. My home phone is my cell
phone, my address is a PO Box, I can move if I don't like my neibors.
Mike

Hi,
Newport Harbor in California has private moorings that can be purchased. I
want to purchase one in a certain area and I have looked into them. You pay
a fee to the harbor department every year, this mainly is to pay the lease
on the land to the state. You must provide a inspection report on the
mooring to the harbor department every year and you pay for it and any
repairs needed. Dingy dockage is a problem, some private docks rent out a
space, some people also get sand mooring for the dingy. Some of the
businesses have docks you can use within limits. Membership in a yatch club
will get you a shore boat. Parking is even more of a problem.
Avalon has moorings for sale, but I don't want to spend $100,000 to live
there. Better to lease a mooring at Two Harbors but the waiting list is
YEARS. I am on the Catalina Harbor list. Dingy docks included but a permit
for a auto is needed (just to have one).
Mission Bay has space for moorings and you can put your own in. But limits
on size of boat and usage exist.
San Diego bay has moorings. The local dictators *SDUPD* are very boater
unfriendly. They limit the usage in the bay and want their pound of flesh.
What do you expect from someone that is NOT elected and with a business
outlook. The latest change is a private firm managing the moorings, talk
about a sweetheart deal. It takes months to get any mooring and YEARS to
get a choice one. I have a mooring in the America Cup Harbor myself which
means I have a choice one. I am going cruising and I can not make up my
mind to let this go or keep it. It is my choice, if I ever come back to SD
then I would need it. Of course that plays directly in the mooring company
hands. I get charged $140 a month. If I am not using my mooring the
company wants to rent it out to traisent boaters at $7.50 a day and split
the money with me. So they collect $225, give me $112.5, charge me $140, so
net they make $252.50 for a mooring, and I have to pay $27.50 for a mooring
I am not using. Sweet deal!
Other than these places I can tell you a lot about living on a mooring....

Get use to hauling...
You haul water by the gallon
You haul food by the pound
You haul fuel for the boat.
You will need a large backpack, most boats carry them.
Helps you haul, see above.
Carries your shower gear.
Change of shoreside clothing
Warm jacket and poncho for rain
Keys, wallet, sunglasses, and anything else you need.
Get a health club membership for showers, even it you have a shower onboard.
Plan and budget a few days at a dock each month, fill up the water takes,
get the canned goods on board, clean the boat.

If you plan to cruise living on a mooring is a good experience for you. You
learn just what it takes for you to live on the boat. How much electricity,
fuel, food and water you use. Making good lists so that you don't forget
something and have to make another dingy ride. How little it really takes
to live. Getting unplugged, no cable, no internet, no phone maybe, I
choose to live on a mooring just for those reasons. My home phone is my cell
phone, my address is a PO Box, I can move if I don't like my neibors.
Mike

Nice job Mike,

Everything you mentions brings back memories of SD and So Calif. (would you
believe, I use to anchor where Harbor Island is now.)

While I was living aboard in the early '90s, I was lucky that I could get a
mooring at the navy marina. The battles were just heating up about 'free
anchoring' and now there is even fewer mooring or anchoring options for the
'free spirits'.

I can still get a mooring for my boat at the navy facility at Fidders Cove
but I can't live aboard.. Oh Well! I guess I should go cruising. People and
the Port Authorities look a little differently on you if your a cruiser or
transit and don't stay around too long.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Nice job Mike,

Everything you mentions brings back memories of SD and So Calif. (would you
believe, I use to anchor where Harbor Island is now.)

While I was living aboard in the early '90s, I was lucky that I could get a
mooring at the navy marina. The battles were just heating up about 'free
anchoring' and now there is even fewer mooring or anchoring options for the
'free spirits'.

I can still get a mooring for my boat at the navy facility at Fidders Cove
but I can't live aboard.. Oh Well! I guess I should go cruising. People and
the Port Authorities look a little differently on you if your a cruiser or
transit and don't stay around too long.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Stu and Marilyn Wright wrote:

I'm leaning towards purchasing a mooring since I won't be able to find
anywhere else to keep my multihull in the Newport Harbor area. Can
anyone tell me what additional fees go along with owning one? I realize
I will need to use my dingy to go back and forth to get to and from but
do you get docking access to pickup guests, supplies, etc?

Stu


Mike Davis' reply is pretty good. Here's a little more info...

The annual mooring fee in Newport is $20 per foot of the
registered length of the mooring (not the size of the boat
registered to it). Moorings aren't "sold", the boat *on* the
mooring is sold and the lease for the mooring is then transfered
to the new owners for a small fee ($10?). Every other year you
must have the mooring inspected and, if necessary, serviced by
one of the contractors in the harbor. Dinghy storage is a huge
problem. There is an ongoing effort to get long term dinghy
storage, but that hasn't been decided yet. You can use the public
docks for 20 minutes for dinghy tie-up or for boat
loading/unloading, but you may get some flak from the fishermen
who think the docks were built for them. The harbor dept has nice
transient docks with water and electricity that are available for
up to a week, but they won't work for a multihull.

As I'm sure you know, moorings in Newport are hard to find and
expensive when you find them. If you get one, be sure to join the
mooring association.

Cindy

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