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See http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8UL3RLO1.html If only Bin Laden would hide on boat........ Cheers Marty |
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"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
... See http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8UL3RLO1.html If only Bin Laden would hide on boat........ Cheers Marty There's no reasonable expectation that his $3.1T bs budget has even a snowball's chance in hell of getting through the Congress. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Martin Baxter wrote in :
If only Bin Laden would hide on boat........ Bin Laden, himself, in full Arab clothing with headdress and fanbelts, could lay out on the deck of any yacht coming into Charleston Harbor and NOONE would notice him. He doesn't have to hide. There's NO BOATS at the harbor entrance to challenge anyone.... The reason there are no boats guarding Charleston is because 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB! Arabs with boxcutters COULDN'T turn off the whole NORAD defenses for FOUR HOURS from inside a hijacked airliner. Those commands came from the WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM, dammit. |
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Larry wrote:
... The reason there are no boats guarding Charleston is because 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB! Arabs with boxcutters COULDN'T turn off the whole NORAD defenses for FOUR HOURS from inside a hijacked airliner. Those commands came from the WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM, dammit. Wrong. Those were very special box cutters capable of just that. |
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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. .. Larry wrote: .. The reason there are no boats guarding Charleston is because 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB! Arabs with boxcutters COULDN'T turn off the whole NORAD defenses for FOUR HOURS from inside a hijacked airliner. Those commands came from the WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM, dammit. Wrong. Those were very special box cutters capable of just that. I have a pair right here.... ummm... hmmm.... they used to be right here! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-02-07 14:17:38 -0500, Larry said:
because 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB! Larry, I really DO like you as much as I know you, but I live closer to that scene and have friends who were in the towers at the time. My brother would have been underneath the rubble except he'd decided to peruse his retirement "plot" in NC that day. For a few days, he was out of cell-phone range and our family was frantic from his non-response. I am loath to mention it because it seems (is?) so (conspiratoral?), but I have trusted sources who said things in advance of the media circus that dissuaded my understandable "inside job" tendencies. You don't know me except for my posts here, but I believe you know me as one who will not even shade the truth. Hell, I can't even deliver a good joke. It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility. If that doesn't sway you, that's a shame, as I have absolute certainty and no other way to persuade you. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:02:35 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility. If that doesn't sway you, that's a shame, as I have absolute certainty and no other way to persuade you. There are those who prefer to think that their lives and the world are governed by unseen forces. No amount of reason will dissuade them. I was looking directly at the towers when the second plane hit, and saw the enormous fireball come out the north side. The first tower was hit while I was still driving to work, and saw it seconds later as the top was totally enveloped in flames like the Olympic torch. None of that is likely to change Larry's mind however. That's just the way it is. |
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Jere Lull wrote in news:2008020723023575249-
jerelull@maccom: It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility. Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away the lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and simply vanished? How do you explain a huge gouge in the earth, that's supposed to be Flight 93, that simply vanished? How do you explain the over FOUR HOUR stand down of the entire US military establishment that only sent up one fighter jet to shoot down Flight 93 when it was in danger, as told to families on cellphones from the flight, of the PASSENGERS overwhelming the so-called "terrorists" blowing the lid off the false flag op? Where were those jets? Why was so many simultaneous test operations going on EXACTLY WHEN these jets were supposed to be hijacked that had 100% effectiveness in turning off the entire NORAD defense system that has always provided near perfect responses...except on 9/11/2001? I avoided the draft to become cannon fodder for the Vietnam fiasco by joining the Navy by a matter of 2 hours. I was one of 9 survivors out of 19 boys in my high school graduating class, some of whom never came home in body bags. All for what? The "Gulf of Tonkin Incident", yet another false flag operation, a total fabrication to get America into a sustainable war to make the central bankers filthy rich by loaning the US Treasury money, at interest, to run the war as long as it could be sustained, nearly to the point of overthrowing the government, if you'll remember. Do you not also see why? We had a baby boom in 1946-1947 when I was born. We needed a sustainable war to kill off as many of that peak of babies as possible because, today, last month in my case, those babies were to decend on the treasury in demand of their monthy SSA checks the government has no funds to pay...and again must borrow from the central bankers at the Federal Reserve Bank, a private bankcorp. They did pretty good. They killed tens of thousands of us...for nothing at all. The bankers got richer, the military contractors got richer, the military, itself, got richer. As it was, I missed being killed by our "friends" the Israelis aboard USS Liberty in 1967 by mere luck of the draw in assignments coming out of ET school. 3 guys I went to ET school were killed on Liberty....after the 6th Fleet admiral was ORDERED to recall the jets that could have saved them TWICE...TWICE! Egyptian horse carrier my ass.....flying holiday colors. 9/11/2001 was an INSIDE job. Those core colums in WTC 1, 2 AND SEVEN were cut with THERMATE and remained at thousands of degrees HOTTER than the best burning kerosene jet fuel for WEEKS AND WEEKS after the controlled demolition which brought down the ONLY STEEL-REINFORCED BUILDINGS EVER TO BE BROUGHT DOWN BY A FIRE...all in one day...and non since. What exploded in the basements 75 floors BELOW the airplanes? Did you know WTC was totally CLOSED TO ALL TENANTS a couple of weeks before 9/11 to "install network cables", the first time the towers had ever been closed in their history? Many tenant survivors reported hearing jackhammers running on CLOSED FLOORS, unoccupied floors because these white elephant buildings were way under 100% occupancy. What were they jackhammering for on floors with no tenants that WEREN'T about to be rented or renovated?? Why did the whole building have to be closed to EVERYONE IN THEM for a whole weekend?? Why did they chase everyone out? Nope, sorry, none of it washes. The story is so full of holes you could drive a supertanker through them.....well, except for that 16' wide hole in the Pentagram a whole airliner full of people fit through, wings, tail, engines and all....before the building collapsed nearly an hour later....and simply disappeared without a trace! |
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On Feb 7, 7:52 pm, Larry wrote:
9/11/2001 was an INSIDE job. Those core colums in WTC 1, 2 AND SEVEN were cut with THERMATE and remained at thousands of degrees HOTTER than the best burning kerosene jet fuel for WEEKS AND WEEKS after the controlled demolition which brought down the ... I just know I'm going to regret this and I apologize ahead of time for my muddled thinking -- I'm fighting the flue. However, you can make pretty decent thermite by mixing roughly equal parts of aluminum and steel. So, how would you be able to tell that the thermite that you believe took down the towers wasn't just the result of ramming an aluminum plane into a steel building? In either case you'd expect a really hot fire and a lot of molten metal... I think you're way off base here. -- Tom. |
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On 2008-02-08 00:52:16 -0500, Larry said:
Jere Lull wrote in news:2008020723023575249- jerelull@maccom: It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility. Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away ... As I said, I have no other way to persuade you -- or anyone. I can't prove negatives. I won't even try. That said, if we meet, we might have an interesting afternoon discussing the subject knowing that neither of us is likely to be dissuaded from our beliefs/understandings, but having a fun time in the process, as you bring up some topics I'd love to try to demolish and you strike me as a "fair" debater (not attacking your opponent, but debating the issue(s) you see). I bear you absolutely no ill will, and choose not to debate your points here because I could make a mistake that could hurt our online friendship. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:07:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:02:35 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility. If that doesn't sway you, that's a shame, as I have absolute certainty and no other way to persuade you. There are those who prefer to think that their lives and the world are governed by unseen forces. No amount of reason will dissuade them. I was looking directly at the towers when the second plane hit, and saw the enormous fireball come out the north side. The first tower was hit while I was still driving to work, and saw it seconds later as the top was totally enveloped in flames like the Olympic torch. None of that is likely to change Larry's mind however. That's just the way it is. while this is completely OT for this ng, the fact that a conversation swings to this topic or that topic in a cruising ng mirrors the way things go between sailors yakking on a dock...this topic is huge...one that will continue to be controversial for decades...its ramifications now seeing the leader of the US steering that country toward a _highly_ uncertain future...it would be nice if all sides of the debate could extend the same courtesy as Jere Lull has and recognize that all have the best interests of the US at heart when expressing their opinions about this...to the OP, its a pity that in order to finance Shrub's war, money needs to be drained from looking after your own backyard...but you folks get to do something about that in about 8 months yes? |
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:20:59 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: I just know I'm going to regret this and I apologize ahead of time for my muddled thinking -- I'm fighting the flue. However, you can make pretty decxent thermite by mixing roughly equal parts of aluminum and steel. No you don't. The thermite reaction consists of a iron oxide oxidiser which reacts with aluminum and burns it to alumina. The energy liberated gives you molten iron at white heat. Used for welding, and in bomblets for incendary cluster bombs, such as the ones used to burn japanese cities in WWII. Iron oxide and aluminum give you molten iron and aluminum oxide. Casady |
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On Feb 8, 3:51 am, (Richard Casady) wrote:
... No you don't. The thermite reaction consists of a iron oxide oxidiser which reacts with aluminum and burns it to alumina. ... Yes, you need an oxidizer. "Steel rust" should work just fine, no? -- Tom. |
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Jere Lull wrote:
It was NOT an "inside job". No way, no how, no possibility. If that doesn't sway you, that's a shame, as I have absolute certainty and no other way to persuade you. Well Jere, Larry could start by reading http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html Oh hang on a sec, I've just been informed by reliable sources that Popular Mechanics actually engineered the controlled demolition and are part of the conspiracy. ;-O Cheers Marty |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:12:14 -0500, Martin Baxter
wrote: Load of hooey anyway, you don't need that great a temperature to soften steel. You don't even need thermite in a Bessemer converter, coke, regular air and shot of oxygen will do just fine. Yes, and you don't need an outside source of oxygen either. Steel can and does soften enough to lose its' structural properties from ordinary fires. |
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" wrote in news:01e8be29-d187-
: So, how would you be able to tell that the thermite that you believe took down the towers wasn't just the result of ramming an aluminum plane into a steel building? That's very simple. Ask the people who were thrown about and injured when the BASEMENT SEVERAL FLOORS UNDERGROUND EXPLODED UNDERNEATH THEM! There are several movies out with real survivors in them who were tower employees, firemen in their firestation reporting the multiple explosions as the thermate went off throughout the structure, "Boom - Boom - Boom - Boom!" We are talking about nearly an hour after the planes, airliners reported by over 300 people in Brooklyn as they came in but conveniently ignored by the press, that had NO WINDOWS and a BLUE LOGO UNDER THE PILOT'S WINDOW, not on the tail where airliners always put their spam. Do a frame by frame of several videos taken when plane 2 hit and look UNDER the plane. Now ride by the airport and see if there is anything "hanging under" any airplane at the airport, a long cylindrical object. No? Hmm...another mystery. The airplanes were very dark in color. It's plainly visible on the video against the blue sky. AIRLINERS ARE ALWAYS PAINTED IN BRIGHT COLORS OR POLISHED ALUMINUM WITH HUGE SIGNS DOWN THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THEM! These planes were painted dark colors, grey or black. Go see for yourselves, just before it enters the building! Look at many videos so we don't have to have the stupid argument "it's because of the angle of the camera". They all show a DARK PLANE WITH NO HUGE BILLBOARD SIGNAGE. Duh... http://911review.org/Wiki/2087-op1.jpg Dispite the government's total lack of any kind of investigation, whatsoever, sealing the site to RETRIEVE EVIDENCE like any other investigation they do, many organizations have from everything available. Look very closely at this website and try not to remember what your government propagandists have brainwashed you with, over and over on that damned TV in your living room: http://911review.org/Wiki/Wtc2PlanePod.shtml Go through the links to many other pictures of UA planes. If 9-11 WASN'T and inside job, how did the propaganda arms of the US news media, who did NO INVESTIGATING OF THEIR OWN curiously, have fake plane pictures already for airing on 9-11 almost in realtime? The pictures are faked and the website shows you how! Here is a building that pancake collapsed, as we were told happened by the government liars: http://911.yweb.sk/images/wtc/pancake_collapse.png Notice how the floors WEREN'T pulverized into pieces smaller than your fist? Notice the floors STACK themselves up like records on an old phonograph? Notice how little dust debris, compared to a building take out by demolition in a matter of seconds, like WTC 1, 2 and don't forget SEVEN! See any pancaked floors, whatsoever, in this picture? http://www.debunking911.com/b7debris.jpg No, you see buildings that suffered multiple EXPLOSIONS, just like the cops and firefighters reported on their radios before they died. Look at these guys getting ready to blast down a building: http://media.portland.indymedia.org/.../07/343155.jpg Notice how they put the thermate explosives at a 45 degree angle to cut through the beams so the beams slide down onto themselves just off to the side...bringing the BUILDING STRAIGHT DOWN JUST LIKE ALL THREE WTC BUILDINGS? Now, none of this is Larry's paranoia. It is the results of very careful research with an amazing amount of digital image processing and evaluation that cost millions. Stop with the stupid childish attacks on the messenger and OPEN UP GOOGLE AND SEE FOR YOURSELVES! Take off those government blinders and open your window. They botched it! They botched Gulf of Tonkin, too, as well as Pearl Harbor, leaving a paper trail of events. 9-11 wasn't a new type of operation! Throughout history governments have used false flag ops to stir up the stupid public sheeple into a fervor for wars after wars, exactly what the central bankers want...sustainable wars. The government's interest in wars is about population control, the same as it has been for millenia. It has always been an efficient method of controlling the lower masses by sending them off to be killed, en masse, in some stupid war over anything that angers them. All you do is convince them they have been attacked. http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/collapse/index.html After your analysis of the evidence about 9/11.....Might I suggest you take a look at something much more dangerous to you, NOW and in the future. Len Horowitz, an anti-drug cartel activist for decades, has a very interesting new movie posted on YouTube in 16 parts. It's called "In Lies We Trust" and is FULLY DOCUMENTED with extensive research. If you think I'm crazy about the statements above concerning "population control", the men behind the curtains have a new weapon now that saves them the mess war creates repairing infrastructure! You simply kill off the lower classes with man-made biology that doesn't explode buildings, bridges, etc. This war has been going on around us for years! Ever notice how people that NEVER go to a doctor, like me, rarely are sick? Ever notice your hypocondriac aunt, who lives to see her doctor, has cancer, leukemia, diabetes and a host of other diseases that always require injections, chemotherapy, massive doses of drugs....all at maximum profits, of course. Here, again, form your own opinion and don't listen or hack away at me: http://youtube.com/results? search_query=Len+Horowitz&search_type=&search=Sear ch put the lines together or use: http://tinyurl.com/348don You are, of course, free to simply ignore every nutcase like me who is convinced we are being lied to by the Evil Empire we have no choice to vote for...or against. But, shouldn't we at least consider the possibility, rather than sticking our heads in the sand and just bending over for whatever we are fed, like the sheeple on 1984? George Orwell had the date wrong.... |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:12:14 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote: Load of hooey anyway, you don't need that great a temperature to soften steel. You don't even need thermite in a Bessemer converter, coke, regular air and shot of oxygen will do just fine. Yes, and you don't need an outside source of oxygen either. Steel can and does soften enough to lose its' structural properties from ordinary fires. Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. On 9/11/2001, THREE steel reinforced buildings mysteriously collapsed, straight down into their own footprint, at free-fall speeds....in one day. Not a single steel reinforced building since 9/11/2001 has collapsed as a results of fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood....and you don't find that at all curious? http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/.../infernos.html http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...661730,00.html IT DIDN'T COLLAPSE! |
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"mr.b" wrote in :
its a pity that in order to finance Shrub's war, money needs to be drained from looking after your own backyard...but you folks get to do something about that in about 8 months yes? No, we don't. We get to vote for the Freemason of THEIR choice. Look at the two candidates in the last election: GW Bush - Freemason 32nd degree - Skull & Bones secret cult - Bohemian Society secret cult - member Council on Foreign Relations controlled by international bankers. John Kerry - Freemason 32nd degree - Skull & Bones secret cult - Bohemian Society secret cult - member Council on Foreign Relations controlled by international bankers. Did we really have a choice of who to vote for? The last, and only president in the last 100+ years who was not a club member and was an anomaly was John Kennedy. Most Americans don't know the symbology associated with Dealey Plaza where he was killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealey_Plaza "Dealey Plaza is historically known as the site of the first Masonic temple in Dallas (now razed), and there is a marker attesting to this fact in the plaza.[2]" If one looks down from Google Earth's satellite photo to the exact spot Kennedy was murdered, then drags their mouse over to the PREVIOUS monuments that were present the day he was murdered, on the other side of the lawn DIRECTLY EAST of the point he was shot, one encounters a masonic Phallus of Osirus, this one: http://myloupe.com/home/info-price-r...mage_id=195001 Isn't that an interesting coincidence? Every president can see the biggest Phallus of Osirus out his bedroom window at the white house. We changed the name and call it "The Washington Monument", a monument to a 32nd degree Freemason, George Washington, of the group of Freemasons who started the country. Kennedy was replaced by a whole White House full of Freemasons, including Lyndon Johnson, 32nd degree.....and they've been in control ever since. No, we don't have much of a choice. The United States is, I think, the ONLY democracy on the planet WITHOUT a vote of no-confidence, that would force the various controlling cults to find another member to replace the hated one. We have no choice at all, once they have him in place.... None of this matters, anymore, anyways as long as Diebold's hacked voting machines are doing the election tabulations: http://youtube.com/results? search_query=Diebold&search_type=&search=Search Voting no longer matters when the machines are already set to elect the Freemason of THEIR choice..... |
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:08:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Feb 8, 3:51 am, (Richard Casady) wrote: ... No you don't. The thermite reaction consists of a iron oxide oxidiser which reacts with aluminum and burns it to alumina. ... Yes, you need an oxidizer. "Steel rust" should work just fine, no? Totally rusted steel would work just fine. Casady |
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Larry wrote:
Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it, right? You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. |
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Larry wrote: 9/11/2001 was an INSIDE job. Those core colums in WTC 1, 2 AND SEVEN were cut with THERMATE and remained at thousands of degrees HOTTER than the best burning kerosene jet fuel for WEEKS AND WEEKS after the controlled demolition which brought down the ONLY STEEL-REINFORCED BUILDINGS EVER TO BE BROUGHT DOWN BY A FIRE...all in one day...and non since. Lordy Larry, I hope your not using Dr. Steve Jones as a "Source" for your Thermate, evidence.... 'cause if your are, you best look into his background, and credentials..... This guy wouldn't know the difference between Thermate, or Thermite, if it came up and bit him in the ASS, which it did, and got him fired, from his Teaching position ant BYU. for Crying out Loud, he WAS, a Physicist, and not a really good one at that, but he has absolutely NO expertise in Chemistry, and especially NitroOrganic, ExoThermic, the uses of Energetic Materials, or Demolition by Energetic Materials. He was a looser at BYU, and has fallen even farther down the "Idiot Hill" since he was let go. Come on, give the world, a break...... -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. .. Larry wrote: Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it, right? You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. I'm a Bush hater, and I don't believe he had anything to do with 9/11. He was totally uninterested before it happened, and afterward he attacked Iraq, who had nothing to do with it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Paul Cassel wrote in
: You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. I voted for GW Bush, not once, but twice..... So much for that ****, too.....(sigh) |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:16 +0000, Larry wrote:
Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away the lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and simply vanished? Titanium unburnable? It burns so well that they use it as a fuel in fireworks. They used it as fuel in flashbulbs. You can light a fine shaving with a match. All metals will burn, but some are harder to light. In a good jet fuel fire the aluminum parts of the plane will burn. Casady |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:12:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:12:14 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote: Load of hooey anyway, you don't need that great a temperature to soften steel. You don't even need thermite in a Bessemer converter, coke, regular air and shot of oxygen will do just fine. Yes, and you don't need an outside source of oxygen either. Steel can and does soften enough to lose its' structural properties from ordinary fires. Coal is quite frequently used as fuel in forges. Coal has a heat value of 12 - 13,000 BTU/Lb. #1 Fuel oil (kerosine) has a heat value of about 20,000 BTU/Lb. Given that you can heat steel far past its softening temperature in a coal fired forge (all you need is more air) it would seem likely that an Fuel oil fueled fire would do as well. .. Bruce-in-Bangkok (Note:remove underscores from address for reply) |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Paul Cassel wrote in : You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. I voted for GW Bush, not once, but twice..... So much for that ****, too.....(sigh) Perhaps you should vote for him again... McCain. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:28:06 +0000, Larry wrote:
Wayne.B wrote in : On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:12:14 -0500, Martin Baxter wrote: Load of hooey anyway, you don't need that great a temperature to soften steel. You don't even need thermite in a Bessemer converter, coke, regular air and shot of oxygen will do just fine. Yes, and you don't need an outside source of oxygen either. Steel can and does soften enough to lose its' structural properties from ordinary fires. Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. On 9/11/2001, THREE steel reinforced buildings mysteriously collapsed, straight down into their own footprint, at free-fall speeds....in one day. Not a single steel reinforced building since 9/11/2001 has collapsed as a results of fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood....and you don't find that at all curious? http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/.../infernos.html http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/anal...are/fires.html http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...661730,00.html IT DIDN'T COLLAPSE! Larry, I think the greatest argument against the conspiracy theory is the fact that it hasn't yet been exposed in main stream news. The theory that the Government can keep a secret has long been refuted. What has the government ever done that someone didn't rat them out and got them exposed in the newspapers and TV? Vietnam? Nixon? Clinton? Bush election? the prisons in Iraq, the Gitmo prisoners? The government hasn't been able to keep a secret since the sinking of the Maine in Havana Harbor. Just imagine one scenario. You were one of the jack hammer guys. Now, being a fairly sensible bloke you took a few pictures with your handy little hand phone; you remembered who else was on the gang with you; you even remembered who the boss was. Now, this afternoon you catch an airplane to wherever Hillary is and get hold of her campaign boss and tell him that you have irrefutable evidence, names, photos, times, dates and places, to prove that the US Government under Bush knocked down the towers. Would they stuff in your greedy little pockets for that information? Would Hillary get elected, and reelected, if she uncovered that little snafu? Does a bear crap in the woods? Bruce-in-Bangkok (Note:remove underscores from address for reply) |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... Does a bear crap in the woods? Bruce... get it right... The Pope craps in the woods. The bear is Catholic. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:16 +0000, Larry wrote: Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away the lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and simply vanished? Titanium unburnable? It burns so well that they use it as a fuel in fireworks. They used it as fuel in flashbulbs. You can light a fine shaving with a match. All metals will burn, but some are harder to light. In a good jet fuel fire the aluminum parts of the plane will burn. Indeed, for a really nice aluminum fire, recall the HMS Sheffield, during the Falklands War. One of the coolest things I've ever seen was an old LawnBoy lawnmower burning up, that was back when they made the decks out of magnesium. Cheers Marty |
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Larry ----
Its been confirmed now by several universities that foaming at the mouth liberalism that invokes silly conspiracy theories, chest beating, etc. ... is simply a genetic defect. Your body is probably being consumed by Testosterone overcoming your Oxytocin. If you're into substantive discussions on politics or religion, etc. I invite you to continue ... otherwise I suggest some genetic therapy before you blowout one of your cerebral arteries. Doesnt take much heat for structural steel to lose its strength properties .... the rag-heads were absolutely brilliant to see the vulnerabilities of a shell supported structure as the WTC ... all the 'external' structure didnt have any concrete cladding, thus very vulnerable to heat distortion. Why steel framed buildings dont fall in fires is that the steel is clad in very thick concrete ... to allow up to hours of fire before the heat is great enough to soften the steel. Noone stores thousands of gallons of jet fuel in these buildings so the 'risk' isnt great. Dont forget that Osama's father owned one of the largest structural engineering companies in the eastern hemisphere ... that make any connection for you? Oh BTW, you forgot to include Haliburton and Saddam Hussein, etc. in your rant. grin |
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Paul Cassel wrote:
Larry wrote: Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it, right? Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a controlled demolition? Funny none of the conspiracy theorists notice a glaringly obvious contradiction to their argument like that. I hate to mention, anyway, the buildings didn't really collapse in their footprints. Pieces of the buildings flew long distances. You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. No kidding. Though they may be calming down with the chance of getting a lefty in the White House, I'm afraid to see how far they will go if the lefties lose again. --Lucky for us, we don't have to worry about Larry, though. He's an equal opportunity conspiracy finder! Which by the way is a great thing to have in a electrical systems troubleshooter. :-) Stephen |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Paul Cassel" wrote in message . .. Larry wrote: Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it, right? You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. I'm a Bush hater, and I don't believe he had anything to do with 9/11. He was totally uninterested before it happened, and afterward he attacked Iraq, who had nothing to do with it. You skipped a step, didn't you? The country he actually attacked right after 9/11? Stephen |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: "Paul Cassel" wrote in message . .. Larry wrote: Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it, right? You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. I'm a Bush hater, and I don't believe he had anything to do with 9/11. He was totally uninterested before it happened, and afterward he attacked Iraq, who had nothing to do with it. You skipped a step, didn't you? The country he actually attacked right after 9/11? Stephen I didn't skip anything. He had no choice about Afganistan. He had a big choice about Iraq. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
... Paul Cassel wrote: Larry wrote: Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! The structure still stood. So much for that nonsense. How many were hit by fully fueled 767's? I guess that they collapsed into their own footprints indicates that GW Bush personally had a hand in it, right? Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a controlled demolition? Funny none of the conspiracy theorists notice a glaringly obvious contradiction to their argument like that. I hate to mention, anyway, the buildings didn't really collapse in their footprints. Pieces of the buildings flew long distances. You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. No kidding. Though they may be calming down with the chance of getting a lefty in the White House, I'm afraid to see how far they will go if the lefties lose again. --Lucky for us, we don't have to worry about Larry, though. He's an equal opportunity conspiracy finder! Which by the way is a great thing to have in a electrical systems troubleshooter. :-) Stephen You forgot to say that Obama is a secret Muslim and the Clintons are anti-American. From what I recall reading, Bin Laden was surprised as anyone that the towers collapsed. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:34:08 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . Does a bear crap in the woods? Bruce... get it right... The Pope craps in the woods. The bear is Catholic. Well, I never got that close to a bear I could tell whether he had a set of beads or not.. course I never got close to the Pope either... Bruce-in-Bangkok (Note:remove underscores from address for reply) |
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(Richard Casady) wrote in
: On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:52:16 +0000, Larry wrote: Jere, I'm sorry for your trauma. But, alas, how DO you explain away the lack of a huge airplane full of people, seats, luggage, titanium alloy unburnable massive 6-ton engines that flew into the Pentagram and simply vanished? Titanium unburnable? It burns so well that they use it as a fuel in fireworks. They used it as fuel in flashbulbs. You can light a fine shaving with a match. All metals will burn, but some are harder to light. In a good jet fuel fire the aluminum parts of the plane will burn. Casady Titanium is what the ENGINE turbines are made of. It melts at 3,034 degrees F and boils at 5,949 degrees F. It's used for many really high temperature engine parts in jet engines and industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium Look at the steerable nozzle on a military jet. That's made of titanium BECAUSE titanium stays strong way past the hottest temperature a jet can produce. It's also very light weight, another plus. Kerosene (jet fuel) burns at perfect mix about 1800F: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel That's a blue hot flame with NO SMOKE inside a turbine engine. However, notice all the jet fuel burning inside buildings WITHOUT MUCH OXYGEN burns well below that, producing huge quantities of carbon black from lack of oxygen. In open air, not inside oxygen starved buildings, jet fuel burns about 400-500F. Inside burning buildings it's less than 400F. Question - Now armed with correct information, how did two 6 ton jet engine simply vaporize all those huge titanium engine parts by burning jet fuel at 400F, far below even their melting point of 3,034 degrees F? Just because the government says it's so, doesn't make it so. A certain amount of common sense and simple chemistry from high school should make it apparent this is just another part of the overall LIES. Same nonsense for Flight 93 in PA: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/93crash3.jpg See any airplane? See any engines, seats, luggage, body parts, BURNED STUFF? Looks like someone's farm trash dump? Look at these OTHER jet crash pictures and compare them with the Pentagram and Flight 93 pictures: http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ They span 50 years of air disasters. Notice how, no matter how they crash, they STILL look like AIRPLANES, not garbage dumps? No matter how burned they are, there are STILL clearly visible airplane parts, seats, luggage, body parts, all kinds of stuff. Why not in TWO crashes of 9/11/2001? Is it because the airliners were never there?? Here's a great Pentagram website with new pictures I'd never seen before at the crash time and the aftermath, very well documented. Take a look: http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm Again...no airplane, no airplane parts, no body parts even the rescue dogs found none, no luggage, no fireproof seats, no 6 ton jet engines.....only a Global Hawk wheel and engine rotors. Look at the global hawk pictures and compare with the EXACT SAME WHEEL from the Pentagram! Can they blind everyone with bull****? |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in news:13qq9enr3ksr163
@corp.supernews.com: McCain. 32nd degree Freemason. He's qualified for the bankers to love. A good officer, he'll do what the bankers tell him to. He's used to taking orders...same as Bush. http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html Oh, look! The CFR's own boy! McCain my ass.... http://blogs.cfr.org/campaign2008/ Which CFR/Freemason will YOU vote for? |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: Larry, I think the greatest argument against the conspiracy theory is the fact that it hasn't yet been exposed in main stream news. The theory that the Government can keep a secret has long been refuted. The American mainstream media is licensed by the FCC. Do you really think they are not a propaganda arm of the US Government? Doesn't anyone remember Joe McCarthy? The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a total fabrication. The American media presented it COMPLETELY as a dastardly attack on a US Ship, right along with what the US Government wanted them to. NONE of them questioned whether this was a real attack or a false flag op. Why? Look at the executive board room of every American media company, now concentrated in the hands of VERY FEW, very rich, very connected men who work for the elite establishment. FCC hasn't allowed the concentration of media in the hands of these men because it's good for Americans.... Joe Goebbels would be very proud, indeed. He worked for the Rockefellers. |
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Stephen Trapani wrote in news:dncrj.3116
: Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a controlled demolition? The WTC was an awful white elephant. It was losing millions/day and was lightly occupied. The buildings around WTC are owned by powerful people with a lot to lose if the building just fell over. Why would they want the WTC to collapse straight down, including Building 7? Would saboteurs care? Of course not! They'd want to take out as many buildings as the WTC towers could reach! You answered your own question, they came straight down to MINIMIZE DAMAGE to some very rich corporations. This also holds true at the Pentagram. Why would an Arab terrorist, who was headed into the Pentagram on the side where the JCS and Rumsfeld's office was located right behind the flagpole....FLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO FLY IT INTO AN AREA UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH NO PENTAGRAM BUREAUCRATS TO KILL?! If you wanted to take out the top of the American military machine, wouldn't the nose of that jet want to point right into Rumsfeld's office window? They took out the only part of the Pentagram UNDER CONSTRUCTION to MINIMIZE BUREAUCRAT DAMAGE.....only construction workers were killed. No top brass, not a single colonel was harmed in the attack! What a great coincidence, eh? The location of the JCS and Rumsfeld's office is on thousands of websites across the net. ANY terrorist going to this much trouble would know EXACTLY which window was his.....and blow it to hell! |
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