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"Larry" wrote in message ... snip.... Can they blind everyone with bull****? "There are none so blind as those who will not see". |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:28:06 +0000, Larry wrote:
Before 9/11/2001, not a single steel reinforce building every collapsed from a fire, even fires that went on for days consuming the whole building! That is not true. Steel frames collapse in building fires all the time. Additionally, any number of highway overpass bridges have been structurally damaged by tanker truck fires weakening the steel. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in news:13qq9enr3ksr163 @corp.supernews.com: McCain. 32nd degree Freemason. He's qualified for the bankers to love. A good officer, he'll do what the bankers tell him to. He's used to taking orders...same as Bush. http://www.cfr.org/bios/662/john_mccain.html Oh, look! The CFR's own boy! McCain my ass.... http://blogs.cfr.org/campaign2008/ Which CFR/Freemason will YOU vote for? My father. He's a 32nd degree. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Stephen Trapani wrote in news:dncrj.3116 : Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a controlled demolition? The WTC was an awful white elephant. It was losing millions/day and was lightly occupied. The buildings around WTC are owned by powerful people with a lot to lose if the building just fell over. Why would they want the WTC to collapse straight down, including Building 7? Would saboteurs care? Of course not! They'd want to take out as many buildings as the WTC towers could reach! You answered your own question, they came straight down to MINIMIZE DAMAGE to some very rich corporations. This also holds true at the Pentagram. Why would an Arab terrorist, who was headed into the Pentagram on the side where the JCS and Rumsfeld's office was located right behind the flagpole....FLY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO FLY IT INTO AN AREA UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH NO PENTAGRAM BUREAUCRATS TO KILL?! If you wanted to take out the top of the American military machine, wouldn't the nose of that jet want to point right into Rumsfeld's office window? They took out the only part of the Pentagram UNDER CONSTRUCTION to MINIMIZE BUREAUCRAT DAMAGE.....only construction workers were killed. No top brass, not a single colonel was harmed in the attack! What a great coincidence, eh? The location of the JCS and Rumsfeld's office is on thousands of websites across the net. ANY terrorist going to this much trouble would know EXACTLY which window was his.....and blow it to hell! It was the Jews. They needed the money. Good grief... get over it. You're sounding pretty desperate to make your case. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:34:08 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... Does a bear crap in the woods? Bruce... get it right... The Pope craps in the woods. The bear is Catholic. Well, I never got that close to a bear I could tell whether he had a set of beads or not.. course I never got close to the Pope either... Bruce-in-Bangkok (Note:remove underscores from address for reply) You're all wrong! It's WHERE does a bear go in the woods? Ans: Anywhere he wants! G |
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Hunters and hikers carry fine steel wool for starting fires. Don't
believe it? Take some really fine steel wool and put a match to it. Presto! Gordon |
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Larry wrote:
Referring to the Pentagon as the Pentagram surely reinforces your case that you are a well balanced citizen who is concerned about some history. -paul |
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:12:05 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote: Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a controlled demolition? Everything always falls straight down. That is the direction the force of gravity acts. What do you think fall means? Casady |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:12:05 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote: Any reason saboteurs trying to secretly collapse buildings would go to great trouble to make them "collapse in their footprint" like a controlled demolition? Everything always falls straight down. That is the direction the force of gravity acts. What do you think fall means? Do you have any idea how much trouble demolition experts have to go to to make buildings "fall in their footprint?" Tall buildings don't crumple straight down. No one on earth, including all the designers of the building knew that you could cause an explosion and fire that high up in the towers and they would collapse, let alone collapse roughly straight down and take out the rest of the building as it collapses. Stephen |
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:19:26 -0800, cavalamb himself
wrote: Larry wrote: Larry, I always though you had a better grasp of the techincal issues. No.. |
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Larry wrote:
Larry, I always though you had a better grasp of the techincal issues. |
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In article
, RichH wrote: Noone stores thousands of gallons of jet fuel in these buildings so the 'risk' isnt great. Actually, that is not a "True" Statement for Building 7, at the WTC. Building 7 had the new New York City Emergency Operations Center in it, and had Backup Diesel Gensets in the MegaWatt Class, as part of the Center. Included with the Gensets were Fuel Tanks with 30K+ of diesel fuel, to operate the Center, should there be a Major Power Outage in the city. |
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:50:28 -0500, wrote:
Had one just a couple of years ago on I-95 in Connecticut. Brand new bridge, too. The tanker truck fire melted the structure and the whole mess had to be torn out and built from scratch again. Yes, and there was another one in Westchester County near Yonkers. |
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On 2008-02-08 20:54:00 -0500, Larry said:
Paul Cassel wrote in : You rabid Bush haters get weirder by the day. I voted for GW Bush, not once, but twice..... So much for that ****, too.....(sigh) See, I knew we'd have an interesting conversation when we meet.... ;-) (I also voted twice for the lesser evil, but had friends IN the towers, and a brother that seemed MIA for a few days that *should* have been under them about that time. He happened to be on a vacation without informing the family.) -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2008-02-09 09:29:44 -0500, Larry said:
The American mainstream media is licensed by the FCC. Do you really think they are not a propaganda arm of the US Government? I may agree that the mainstream media is a "propaganda arm", but not of the FCC or the public face of the US Government. Boats are documented with the Coast Guard. Does that make us "arms" of Homeland Security? (Okay, well, yes: If I see something suspicious, I'll call it in, but that's not quite the same thing. That's just being a good neighbor.) -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2008-02-09 00:16:08 -0500, RichH said:
Larry ---- Its been confirmed now by several universities that foaming at the mouth liberalism that invokes silly conspiracy theories, chest beating, etc. ... is simply a genetic defect. Rich, I may be tilting at windmills, but that sort of personal attack gets my goat. Though I (may) hold a diametrically-opposed position to Larry on this subject, I know that calling him bad names won't change his mind or advance the discussion. You're not the only person I could similarly rant against, but you seem one that will stop and listen. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On 2008-02-09 12:25:10 -0500, Paul Cassel
said: Larry wrote: Referring to the Pentagon as the Pentagram surely reinforces your case that you are a well balanced citizen who is concerned about some history. -paul I noted that as well, but it gave me a chuckle. I'm hardly a conspiritist, but Pentagon/Pentragram was an obvious connection when I first heard about the building when I was about 10, maybe 45 years ago. Why the hell would anyone design a five-sided building of that size? That's something I file under "sounded good at the time". Sensible? Not a chance. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:38:10 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote: Everything always falls straight down. That is the direction the force of gravity acts. What do you think fall means? Do you have any idea how much trouble demolition experts have to go to to make buildings "fall in their footprint?" Tall buildings don't crumple straight down. No one on earth, including all the designers of the building knew that you could cause an explosion and fire that high up in the towers and they would collapse, let alone collapse roughly straight down and take out the rest of the building as it collapses. The design of the WTC almost certainly had an effect on the mode of collapse. Almost all of the vertical support for the structures was concentrated in the outer perimeter. The interior spaces were very open and had very little structural steel with the exception of the elevator core. The unusually strong perimeter walls helped to focus the the falling floors inward. All it took was one floor to collapse to set off the whole chain reaction. I saw the towers go up over the course of several years back in the late 60s when I was working two blocks away on Wall Street, and I saw them come down from acoss the river in New Jersey. |
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"Marty" wrote in message ... wrote: There may be a slight difference when the fuel gets poured in from the top, rather than being stored in tanks in the basement. Yeah, except the pumps were running even though the fuel lines were ruptured, pumping the fuel up to the fire floor.... Why would they be pumping fuel up the building when the gensets the fuel was provided for were down with the fuel tanks in the basement? |
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Jere Lull wrote in news:200802100222178930-
jerelull@maccom: I may agree that the mainstream media is a "propaganda arm", but not of the FCC or the public face of the US Government. Oh, I agree with that! The media propagandists work for the same elite cults as the FCC. The media is owned by them. |
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Jere Lull wrote in news:2008021002324611272-
jerelull@maccom: Though I (may) hold a diametrically-opposed position to Larry on this subject, I know that calling him bad names won't change his mind or advance the discussion. I call it "The Scientology Effect". If anyone dares disagree, go into rabid attack mode and try to ruin them, if possible. It's how Scientology stays in control of their world. It's quite effective. Changing my view is very simple. Release the miles of videos the government has hidden from public inspection of the most video taped building on the planet, The Pentagram. |
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Edgar wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message ... wrote: There may be a slight difference when the fuel gets poured in from the top, rather than being stored in tanks in the basement. Yeah, except the pumps were running even though the fuel lines were ruptured, pumping the fuel up to the fire floor.... Why would they be pumping fuel up the building when the gensets the fuel was provided for were down with the fuel tanks in the basement? Because there was a large generator on the fifth floor connected to tanks in the basement via a pressurized line. The fire burned for several hours in building 7, but there was no fire fighting conducted there, deemed to risky to send people in. See: http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=5 Cheers Marty |
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Jere Lull wrote:
I'm hardly a conspiritist, but Pentagon/Pentragram was an obvious connection when I first heard about the building when I was about 10, maybe 45 years ago. Why the hell would anyone design a five-sided building of that size? That's something I file under "sounded good at the time". Sensible? Not a chance. "The Pentagon’s unusual five-sided configuration was dictated by the site originally proposed (adjacent to Memorial Drive, about three-fourths of a mile north of where the building was actually constructed)." See http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/pentagon.htm ,if you want the whole sordid history.;-) Cheers Marty |
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"Marty" wrote in message
... Jere Lull wrote: I'm hardly a conspiritist, but Pentagon/Pentragram was an obvious connection when I first heard about the building when I was about 10, maybe 45 years ago. Why the hell would anyone design a five-sided building of that size? That's something I file under "sounded good at the time". Sensible? Not a chance. "The Pentagon’s unusual five-sided configuration was dictated by the site originally proposed (adjacent to Memorial Drive, about three-fourths of a mile north of where the building was actually constructed)." See http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/pentagon.htm ,if you want the whole sordid history.;-) Cheers Marty Some people see conspiracies everywhere, and there's nothing you can do except watch them very carefully. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Marty wrote:
"The Pentagon’s unusual five-sided configuration was dictated by the site originally proposed (adjacent to Memorial Drive, about three-fourths of a mile north of where the building was actually constructed)." See http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/pentagon.htm ,if you want the whole sordid history.;-) Well, there goes the theory that it's a gateway to Hell. -paul |
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On 2008-02-10 15:45:13 -0500, Paul Cassel
said: Marty wrote: "The Pentagon’s unusual five-sided configuration was dictated by the site originally proposed (adjacent to Memorial Drive, about three-fourths of a mile north of where the building was actually constructed)." See http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/pentagon.htm ,if you want the whole sordid history.;-) Well, there goes the theory that it's a gateway to Hell. Are you sure? ;-) -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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