On Jan 28, 8:54*am, Joe wrote:

* 3/8 glass is for put'z like you Bob. RedCloud has 3/4" and 1" thick
armoured glass in bronze ports. Think Monel not bronze thru hulls in
ice.

Joe


And Red Cloud is where???????????????? as I use to say years back, "on
the bottom." Or did the owners find that perfectly good boat which
scared them so badly they had to call for Mr. Wizzard to take them
back home.

Getting iced in aint such a feat. Heck, when I spent two winters at
the marina on RM 271 of the Columbia River there were McGregors,
Ericksons, catalinas even a couple paddle boats too. all frozen solid
in 6" thick marina ice. Your point is what again?

Bob

On Jan 28, 12:27*pm, Bob wrote:
On Jan 28, 8:54*am, Joe wrote:

* 3/8 glass is for put'z like you Bob. RedCloud has 3/4" and 1" thick
armoured glass in bronze ports. Think Monel not bronze thru hulls in
ice.

Joe

And Red Cloud is where???????????????? as I use to say years back, "on
the bottom." Or did the owners find that perfectly good boat which
scared them so badly they had to call for Mr. Wizzard to take them
back home.

WTF does that have to do with ports and the thickness of the glass?
3/8" ...you might as well have Saran wrap. RedCloud loss had nothing
to do with her ports even if she still had as you said " picture
widows like Red Cloud
has.... uh, had." Just shows you know nothing about anything, cept
being an asshole.

Getting iced in aint such a feat. Heck, when I spent two winters at
the marina on RM 271 of the Columbia River there were McGregors,
Ericksons, catalinas even a couple paddle boats too. all frozen solid
in 6" thick marina ice. Your point is what again?

Point is your an asshole Bob.

Joe


Bob

On Jan 28, 11:09*am, Joe wrote:

Point is your an asshole Bob.

Joe

Well, Joe..........

Your right about the 3/8" glass thing. I have 3/8" polycarb not glass.
My mistake.

Also, as you say, I may very well be an asshole. But better an asshole
that than a pansy ass pussy.
What else ya got to blow out ur ass?
Bob

In article , Joe wrote:
On Jan 28, 7:44*am, Bob wrote:

port lights 7"x15" with 3/8" glass not picture widows like Red Cloud
has.... uh, had. Think all groco bronze through hulls not plastic.
Think "small" sail plan 15.0 SA/D Ratio. Mine boat is 14.7 cutter.

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/205...63212926eSPzLW

I've not been here long, but I looked back over some past stuff when the posts querying your whereabouts appeared a while back. She does look a tough old boat, and I'm sorry to hear she's lost.


3/8 glass is for put'z like you Bob. RedCloud has 3/4" and 1" thick
armoured glass in bronze ports. Think Monel not bronze thru hulls in
ice.

BTW look at the big picture windows on this boat:
http://www.damocles-eu.org/artman/up...ara-arctic.jpg

Nice setting! It certainly looks at home there. I've looked around the site there a little more, looks like it was custom built.

I suppose my next question is "what's a high lattitude?". I'd love to get up far enough north to see 'bergs.


Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

Bob wrote:
On Jan 28, 4:28 am, Justin C wrote:

What makes a boat a "high latitudes" cruiser? It's a term I've seen a
few times and I'd like to know what makes it different to a "blue water"
cruiser.
Justin C, by the sea.


Hey Justin:
They need to be designed by a navel architect for specific areas of
operation not a marketing vp who wants a cheep fleet for their bare
boat charter fleet in margarita Ville.

Think "slow... heavy... stout" = expensive. Small cockpits but people
dont like them cause they cant intertain a cocktail party. Think small
port lights 7"x15" with 3/8" glass not picture widows like Red Cloud
has.... uh, had. Think all groco bronze through hulls not plastic.
Think "small" sail plan 15.0 SA/D Ratio. Mine boat is 14.7 cutter.

But now some one will say, "but if you have a fast boat you can out
run a storm." to that I say, bull****.

I have one. I live at N45. Just need to drive it hard. ..............
absolutly wonderfull !

Bob



I've got a Brewer designed Murray 33.

10AWG steel, 16,000lbs, 2" urethane foam insulation, cutter rig.

Drive it REAL hard.

From Ted's web site:
# LOA---33' 0"
# LWL---26' 9"
# BEAM---10' 11"
# DRAFT---4' 11"
# BALLAST---5000 lbs.
# SAIL AREA---535 sq. ft.
# DISPLACEMENT---13130 lbs. (No, 16,000 light on scale)
# DISPL/LENGTH RATIO---306
# SA/DISPL RATIO---15.4
# PRISMATIC COEFF---.545
# CAPSIZE SCREENING FACTOR---1.86
# TANKS---30 gals. Fuel, 50-60 gals. Water

On Jan 28, 5:21*pm, hpeer wrote:


I've got a Brewer designed Murray 33.

10AWG steel, 16,000lbs, 2" urethane foam insulation, cutter rig.

Drive it REAL hard.

Hey,
I heard the name but never seen one..... Just searched and found this

http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_steel/murray33.htm

Damn.............. that is a stout boat! Humm, steel in 33 feet, no
bow sprit! Cool. Sorta looks like a Cascade on the underside.
Must be fun.
Do you live on it?

Back to what is high lats......... I found that saling types in San
Diego and LA call SF northern california, Those in SF call north of 45
bad and woolly. those of us at N45 look at 48N and go burr and then
there are those fools north of the 50 line ?!?!?!? WTF is that all
about? Spent two summers in the Bering on some 80' boats. figure a
blow once every 1-2 weeks of 40k-50k and 20-30' seas. of course there
is the 1-2 days of building and then 1-2 days abating. not bad
overall. I got to see the sun twice. Once for about 30 min the other
for about 10 min..............

But sitting in a 33' sailboat in that stuff would be significanlty
diffrent than sitting in a hot tub drinking hot sake while someone
else is driving the boat

Bob

Bob wrote:
On Jan 28, 5:21 pm, hpeer wrote:

I've got a Brewer designed Murray 33.

10AWG steel, 16,000lbs, 2" urethane foam insulation, cutter rig.

Drive it REAL hard.

Hey,
I heard the name but never seen one..... Just searched and found this

http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_steel/murray33.htm

Damn.............. that is a stout boat! Humm, steel in 33 feet, no
bow sprit! Cool. Sorta looks like a Cascade on the underside.
Must be fun.
Do you live on it?

Back to what is high lats......... I found that saling types in San
Diego and LA call SF northern california, Those in SF call north of 45
bad and woolly. those of us at N45 look at 48N and go burr and then
there are those fools north of the 50 line ?!?!?!? WTF is that all
about? Spent two summers in the Bering on some 80' boats. figure a
blow once every 1-2 weeks of 40k-50k and 20-30' seas. of course there
is the 1-2 days of building and then 1-2 days abating. not bad
overall. I got to see the sun twice. Once for about 30 min the other
for about 10 min..............

But sitting in a 33' sailboat in that stuff would be significanlty
diffrent than sitting in a hot tub drinking hot sake while someone
else is driving the boat

Bob



Actually the cutter version (which I have) has a small bow sprit.

I am fortunate enough to get 6 weeks out of the kennel to go romp on my
boat. Last year I went from Sydney, NS to Lewisporte, NL and went
through 51N doing it. I live on her for a few weeks in the summer.

My wife swears to me that this summer she will spend some time on board.
Well maybe forth time is a charm?

Bob wrote:
On Jan 28, 5:21 pm, hpeer wrote:

I've got a Brewer designed Murray 33.

10AWG steel, 16,000lbs, 2" urethane foam insulation, cutter rig.

Drive it REAL hard.

Hey,
I heard the name but never seen one..... Just searched and found this

http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_steel/murray33.htm

Damn.............. that is a stout boat! Humm, steel in 33 feet, no
bow sprit! Cool. Sorta looks like a Cascade on the underside.
Must be fun.
Do you live on it?

Back to what is high lats......... I found that saling types in San
Diego and LA call SF northern california, Those in SF call north of 45
bad and woolly. those of us at N45 look at 48N and go burr and then
there are those fools north of the 50 line ?!?!?!? WTF is that all
about? Spent two summers in the Bering on some 80' boats. figure a
blow once every 1-2 weeks of 40k-50k and 20-30' seas. of course there
is the 1-2 days of building and then 1-2 days abating. not bad
overall. I got to see the sun twice. Once for about 30 min the other
for about 10 min..............

But sitting in a 33' sailboat in that stuff would be significanlty
diffrent than sitting in a hot tub drinking hot sake while someone
else is driving the boat

Bob


Actually the cutter version (which I have) has a stubby bow sprit, about
3'. I am fortunate enough that my handlers let me loose for 6 weeks
(w/o pay) in the summer to go play. Last year I moved her from Sydney,
NS to Lewisporte, NL and went through 51N in the process. Bergs! Cool!

Take a look at this approach.

the sail boat Seal......... pretty cool boat

http://www.expeditionsail.com/

bob

In article , Bob wrote:

Take a look at this approach.

the sail boat Seal......... pretty cool boat

http://www.expeditionsail.com/

That is some boat. I looked at the build photos, she's certainly built tough. Thanks for the pointer.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.