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Looked today ( Boat Choices)
I get the same effect from a reasonable
substrate and a handful of sand. sand makes for one *mighty* RUFF non-skid (think 3M 50 grit sandpaper). Tends to be tough on knees, ankles, elbows, hands, seats of the pants, swimsuits, etc. |
Looked today ( Boat Choices)
I get the same effect from a reasonable
substrate and a handful of sand. sand makes for one *mighty* RUFF non-skid (think 3M 50 grit sandpaper). Tends to be tough on knees, ankles, elbows, hands, seats of the pants, swimsuits, etc. |
Looked today ( Boat Choices)
A good suggestion - Sailnet hosts quite a few owners forums and they
are a good place to get inside information. Eric Rich Hampel wrote in message ... I state again, when you get serious about the purchase of a particular design .... go to the owners groups located on the web, etc. Most of these owners groups have periodic rendezvous, etc. Thse owners groups are usually open to 'prospective' owners and may invite you to a rendevous or two. That way you will be able to really 'kick some tires' and maybe get a sail or two in (the usual entry fee is a covered dish). Also most 'good' boats are sold (quickly) though such owners groups. Its the boats that dont move quick that get shunted off to 'brokers' .... with added commission fees, etc. In article , Eric wrote: I would recommend you stay away from the teak deck in a boat almost 20 years old. Teak decks, because of the screw holes (used to hold the teak down), are prone to causing saturation and/or delamination of the underlying deck core material unless the boat has been well maintained for the entire 20 years. Just because it looks good doesn't mean that the underlying deck and core are in good condition. Repairing a saturated core is a major (read: expensive) job. The PS Crealock is probably the best quality but, as you are seeing, that comes at a high price. It's also pretty small inside (IMO). Don't compromise on the boat. You can always stretch out the purchase of the extras. Eric "Wendy" wrote in message ... I had a close look at four boats today, all offered through brokers. The experience was a pleasurable one; the brokers were pleasant enough and quite helpful. The weather was a bit cool for my taste, though. Anyway, here's what I looked over in the order in which I saw them, along with my thoughts: Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36, 1985 Model: This boat is simply a very good looking boat; it has loads of visual appeal and has been well-kept. The teak deck is in quite good condition, as are the topside fittings and rigging. Belowdecks, the engine is easily accessible, the cabin layout is sensible and not ostentatiously ornate. She has a genset, which is a plus, but no stove- a definite minus (one could easily be added, however). She's radar-equipped, no SSB or GPS. She would be a fine live-aboard and coastal cruiser, and should handle longer range cruising as the tankage is more than adequate. I'd like to research Cheoy Lee's more; I liked this boat. At an asking price of less than $60,000 she is well within my budget. Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, 1990 Model: Nice boat; she has a spartan interior and a non-nonsense air about her. This boat is clearly designed for ocean passages. Living aboard would not be difficult, but again the boat is designed to go anywhere, not sit on a dock. At just under $100,000 she is out of my price range, so I didn't really seriously evaluate all her features. Cabo Rico 38, 1981 Model: She was once a nice boat, but neglect has sadly hurt her. The below $80,000 price reflects the condition she's in; it would take a lot of work to bring this boat up to snuff. The teak deck is shot. I would take a pass on this boat; I don't want a project. Tayana 37, 1982 Model: Wonderful boat, she has lots of room and is built like a tank. She has a Perkins, which I like as I have lots of experience with them. She's air-conditioned as well, a must in Texas. Very beamy and not at all claustrophobic, the boat is clearly designed for comfort and safety. She is equipped with a wind generator as well as a wind vane steering system. She has no navigation station; the large quarterberth is designed as an aft stateroom. I would prefer a nav station, but a fold down table sort of thing could be easily added by a carpenter. Electronics consists of an SSB; a radar and GPS system would have to be added (I am a Garmin GPS junkie, I'll freely admit that :) Her asking price of $85,000 is within my budget, though I would have to scrape for any planned add-ons. It should be apparent that the first and last boats I looked at were the two which appealed most to me. I have distinct reservations about a teak deck, and while the Cheoy Lee is not the dedicated ocean passage boat that the Tayana is, she would no doubt provide years of performance and satisfaction. The Tayana represents security, comfort, and hominess. She has many of the features I would like in a boat, and probably represents the better investment of the two. It's quite clear to me that I am not exactly sure what I want at this point in time, although I am sure that as I continue to research and actively start sailing that this will become self-evident before I buy. I understand now why searching for a boat can take quite some time. Wendy |
Looked today ( Boat Choices)
A good suggestion - Sailnet hosts quite a few owners forums and they
are a good place to get inside information. Eric Rich Hampel wrote in message ... I state again, when you get serious about the purchase of a particular design .... go to the owners groups located on the web, etc. Most of these owners groups have periodic rendezvous, etc. Thse owners groups are usually open to 'prospective' owners and may invite you to a rendevous or two. That way you will be able to really 'kick some tires' and maybe get a sail or two in (the usual entry fee is a covered dish). Also most 'good' boats are sold (quickly) though such owners groups. Its the boats that dont move quick that get shunted off to 'brokers' .... with added commission fees, etc. In article , Eric wrote: I would recommend you stay away from the teak deck in a boat almost 20 years old. Teak decks, because of the screw holes (used to hold the teak down), are prone to causing saturation and/or delamination of the underlying deck core material unless the boat has been well maintained for the entire 20 years. Just because it looks good doesn't mean that the underlying deck and core are in good condition. Repairing a saturated core is a major (read: expensive) job. The PS Crealock is probably the best quality but, as you are seeing, that comes at a high price. It's also pretty small inside (IMO). Don't compromise on the boat. You can always stretch out the purchase of the extras. Eric "Wendy" wrote in message ... I had a close look at four boats today, all offered through brokers. The experience was a pleasurable one; the brokers were pleasant enough and quite helpful. The weather was a bit cool for my taste, though. Anyway, here's what I looked over in the order in which I saw them, along with my thoughts: Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36, 1985 Model: This boat is simply a very good looking boat; it has loads of visual appeal and has been well-kept. The teak deck is in quite good condition, as are the topside fittings and rigging. Belowdecks, the engine is easily accessible, the cabin layout is sensible and not ostentatiously ornate. She has a genset, which is a plus, but no stove- a definite minus (one could easily be added, however). She's radar-equipped, no SSB or GPS. She would be a fine live-aboard and coastal cruiser, and should handle longer range cruising as the tankage is more than adequate. I'd like to research Cheoy Lee's more; I liked this boat. At an asking price of less than $60,000 she is well within my budget. Pacific Seacraft Crealock 34, 1990 Model: Nice boat; she has a spartan interior and a non-nonsense air about her. This boat is clearly designed for ocean passages. Living aboard would not be difficult, but again the boat is designed to go anywhere, not sit on a dock. At just under $100,000 she is out of my price range, so I didn't really seriously evaluate all her features. Cabo Rico 38, 1981 Model: She was once a nice boat, but neglect has sadly hurt her. The below $80,000 price reflects the condition she's in; it would take a lot of work to bring this boat up to snuff. The teak deck is shot. I would take a pass on this boat; I don't want a project. Tayana 37, 1982 Model: Wonderful boat, she has lots of room and is built like a tank. She has a Perkins, which I like as I have lots of experience with them. She's air-conditioned as well, a must in Texas. Very beamy and not at all claustrophobic, the boat is clearly designed for comfort and safety. She is equipped with a wind generator as well as a wind vane steering system. She has no navigation station; the large quarterberth is designed as an aft stateroom. I would prefer a nav station, but a fold down table sort of thing could be easily added by a carpenter. Electronics consists of an SSB; a radar and GPS system would have to be added (I am a Garmin GPS junkie, I'll freely admit that :) Her asking price of $85,000 is within my budget, though I would have to scrape for any planned add-ons. It should be apparent that the first and last boats I looked at were the two which appealed most to me. I have distinct reservations about a teak deck, and while the Cheoy Lee is not the dedicated ocean passage boat that the Tayana is, she would no doubt provide years of performance and satisfaction. The Tayana represents security, comfort, and hominess. She has many of the features I would like in a boat, and probably represents the better investment of the two. It's quite clear to me that I am not exactly sure what I want at this point in time, although I am sure that as I continue to research and actively start sailing that this will become self-evident before I buy. I understand now why searching for a boat can take quite some time. Wendy |
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Looked today ( Boat Choices)
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:23:22 GMT, Cindy Ballreich
Once you've weighed the cost, it comes down to what you prefer. If you like the look and feel of teak decks, and you don't mind a little additional work, go for it! If you don't like that sort of thing, there's a world of fiberglass decks just waiting for you. Cindy Very true, and I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I think if you luck out or have the knowledge to preserve/repair/maintain a teak deck, it's a Good Thing. But most don't, and don't have the time to add to the already long list of Boat Stuff We Must Get To Before Actually Sailing.... Maybe the solution is to learn how to INSTALL a teck deck, and then do it yourself. At least then the blame and the credit fall where they should G R. |
Looked today ( Boat Choices)
On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:23:22 GMT, Cindy Ballreich
Once you've weighed the cost, it comes down to what you prefer. If you like the look and feel of teak decks, and you don't mind a little additional work, go for it! If you don't like that sort of thing, there's a world of fiberglass decks just waiting for you. Cindy Very true, and I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I think if you luck out or have the knowledge to preserve/repair/maintain a teak deck, it's a Good Thing. But most don't, and don't have the time to add to the already long list of Boat Stuff We Must Get To Before Actually Sailing.... Maybe the solution is to learn how to INSTALL a teck deck, and then do it yourself. At least then the blame and the credit fall where they should G R. |
Looked today ( Boat Choices)
In her original post she said it was the Cheoy Lee that had the teak
decks, not the Tayana. "Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36, 1985 Model: This boat is simply a very good looking boat; it has loads of visual appeal and has been well-kept. The teak deck is in quite good condition, as are the topside fittings and rigging." Did they build them the same way? I don't know. Eric Rich Hampel wrote in message ... The underlayment of teak decks on Tayanas is built up of softwood squares individually isolated by dams of polyester. If such underlayment does get wet it usually doesnt not spread accross the whole deck as would be the case with ''sheets' of core filler. Not that you cant get a soggy deck on a Tayana; but, if you do the damage wont be as catastrophic as would a deck with continuous underlayment filler. Teak deck maintenance isnt all that bad if you kkep up a gentle and consistent regime of maintenance. Hell, I bet you expend more time scrubbing a glass deck than a teak deck owner does in periodically looking for loose bungs. Give me a teak deck anytime. So what if it makes the boat a bit more top heavy, **nothing** is this world has the non-dkid ability of bare teak. |
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