Rich Hampel wrote in message news:300120041809349757%
Definitely dont bother with a "pullman" interior if you're interested
in blue water.

Can you explain why that is for this neophyte?

Wendy, please ignore any and all DSK mutters.

DSK wrote:
Size isn't really an issue for singlehanding ...

Armond Perretta wrote:
Yes it is, Doug.

There! Howizzat fer a convincin' argument?

Well (he said abashed, scuffing one toe modestly) it *is* an issue, but
what I should have said... if I were in the mood to be more long
winded... that size of vessel need not be an absolute limiting factor.

... I will omit the discussion about
hydraulic winches and furlers, athletic ability, age, pocketbook, and
"real"
people.

At least for the time being.

Agreed, with the caveat that skill is the biggest limiting factor and
one can learn, can't one? Money is a whole nother issue, and let me
remind you how much can be spent on even smaller vessels...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Wendy, please ignore any and all DSK mutters.

DSK wrote:
Size isn't really an issue for singlehanding ...

Armond Perretta wrote:
Yes it is, Doug.

There! Howizzat fer a convincin' argument?

Well (he said abashed, scuffing one toe modestly) it *is* an issue, but
what I should have said... if I were in the mood to be more long
winded... that size of vessel need not be an absolute limiting factor.

... I will omit the discussion about
hydraulic winches and furlers, athletic ability, age, pocketbook, and
"real"
people.

At least for the time being.

Agreed, with the caveat that skill is the biggest limiting factor and
one can learn, can't one? Money is a whole nother issue, and let me
remind you how much can be spent on even smaller vessels...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

bull****. I was there. not a single boat sailed that day after mid morning.
NY harbor had more then 40,000 boats in it and there was zero point zero room
for sailing. In fact, the Staten Island ferry stopped running several hours
early due to the thick congestion on the harbor.

The Bicentennial celebration that year included a tall ships parade up
the North River (Hudson). All participants motored from the start
except Colas. He tacked into a northerly, slicing back and forth
through the massive fleet of spectators past the bleachers at Barttery
Park City.

A black squall line became just visible at the G Washington Bridge.
Colas managed to get all the sails down before it reached him. THere
were bikini-clad lovelies decorating the deck, but they didn't assist.
Colas did it all as far as I could see.

I went aboard the next day to see the hardware.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

bull****. I was there. not a single boat sailed that day after mid morning.
NY harbor had more then 40,000 boats in it and there was zero point zero room
for sailing. In fact, the Staten Island ferry stopped running several hours
early due to the thick congestion on the harbor.

The Bicentennial celebration that year included a tall ships parade up
the North River (Hudson). All participants motored from the start
except Colas. He tacked into a northerly, slicing back and forth
through the massive fleet of spectators past the bleachers at Barttery
Park City.

A black squall line became just visible at the G Washington Bridge.
Colas managed to get all the sails down before it reached him. THere
were bikini-clad lovelies decorating the deck, but they didn't assist.
Colas did it all as far as I could see.

I went aboard the next day to see the hardware.


Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the
simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.
- Richard Dawkins, "Viruses of the Mind"

Wendy wrote:

I think there is a lot of merit in this observation, Rodney. I'm probably
starting from the "what I would like to have" point rather than the "what
would best suit me at this time" point. That said, I've loads of time to
figure all of this out. I'll get more involved in the local sailing
community, which will, I am sure, help and affect my purchasing decision a
lot. I'm off today to look at some boats, and that may well be an
eye-opening experience.


Wendy,

A lot of the boats you are interested in are available for
charter if you hunt around to find them. The Pacific Northwest
would be a good place to look. Chartering will give you a
perspective that simply looking (or even day sailing) will never
give you. A feature that seems wonderful at first may be a deal
breaker after you try it out.

Also, you should be aware that some of the boats you are
considering have a maintenance premimum attached to them because
of their brightwork and the wood used in their construction. For
example, the teak decks on the Panda were very well made and are
the best non-skid in the world, but you will have to care for
them. Likewise, britework can be a joy or a curse depending on
your perspective and your approach to it.

Cindy



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Wendy wrote:

I think there is a lot of merit in this observation, Rodney. I'm probably
starting from the "what I would like to have" point rather than the "what
would best suit me at this time" point. That said, I've loads of time to
figure all of this out. I'll get more involved in the local sailing
community, which will, I am sure, help and affect my purchasing decision a
lot. I'm off today to look at some boats, and that may well be an
eye-opening experience.


Wendy,

A lot of the boats you are interested in are available for
charter if you hunt around to find them. The Pacific Northwest
would be a good place to look. Chartering will give you a
perspective that simply looking (or even day sailing) will never
give you. A feature that seems wonderful at first may be a deal
breaker after you try it out.

Also, you should be aware that some of the boats you are
considering have a maintenance premimum attached to them because
of their brightwork and the wood used in their construction. For
example, the teak decks on the Panda were very well made and are
the best non-skid in the world, but you will have to care for
them. Likewise, britework can be a joy or a curse depending on
your perspective and your approach to it.

Cindy



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Rich Hampel wrote:
once you decide on a certain design, have preliminarily chosen 'the'
boat - go to the owners groups and carefully extract identified
'problems' of the design and be sure to have the surveyor pay special
attention to these items.

Yes!!! The archives are especially useful. After reading the 20th
"my decks are rotten and need to be replaced" posting, you may
begin to see an indication that this may not be the boat for you!

Cindy


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Rich Hampel wrote:
once you decide on a certain design, have preliminarily chosen 'the'
boat - go to the owners groups and carefully extract identified
'problems' of the design and be sure to have the surveyor pay special
attention to these items.

Yes!!! The archives are especially useful. After reading the 20th
"my decks are rotten and need to be replaced" posting, you may
begin to see an indication that this may not be the boat for you!

Cindy


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