Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years. Depending on where you are located the best prices are in
Florida/Gulf Coast. Prices for older still useable/rebuildable (with
alluminum masts) should be in the neighborhood of $65K-100K These
boats are built like Sherman Tanks and usually are quite sound
structurally (overbuilt ).
If you have to refit, figure a 20% added to your purchase price -- and
that may be true for ANY used boat you buy.

Most of the 'good' older ones are offered principally through eMail
discussion groups or 'owners groups' such as on Sailnet, etc. Goto
the Sailnet.com website, follow the links to email discussion groups.
Also you can look up the 'archives' on various designs, etc.: email
archives, etc. on sailnet, etc.

Tayana, Passport, Valiant, Baba, TaShing, etc.



In article .com,
Wendy wrote:

Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years. Depending on where you are located the best prices are in
Florida/Gulf Coast. Prices for older still useable/rebuildable (with
alluminum masts) should be in the neighborhood of $65K-100K These
boats are built like Sherman Tanks and usually are quite sound
structurally (overbuilt ).
If you have to refit, figure a 20% added to your purchase price -- and
that may be true for ANY used boat you buy.

Most of the 'good' older ones are offered principally through eMail
discussion groups or 'owners groups' such as on Sailnet, etc. Goto
the Sailnet.com website, follow the links to email discussion groups.
Also you can look up the 'archives' on various designs, etc.: email
archives, etc. on sailnet, etc.

Tayana, Passport, Valiant, Baba, TaShing, etc.

I'm in Texas (Houston area), so it's good to know that Gulf Coast prices are
best. I thought they might be, compared to a California or Maryland price.
OK, I'm off to sailnet now...

Wendy

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:06:32 -0600, "Wendy"
wrote:


"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
...
Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years. Depending on where you are located the best prices are in
Florida/Gulf Coast. Prices for older still useable/rebuildable (with
alluminum masts) should be in the neighborhood of $65K-100K These
boats are built like Sherman Tanks and usually are quite sound
structurally (overbuilt ).
If you have to refit, figure a 20% added to your purchase price -- and
that may be true for ANY used boat you buy.

Most of the 'good' older ones are offered principally through eMail
discussion groups or 'owners groups' such as on Sailnet, etc. Goto
the Sailnet.com website, follow the links to email discussion groups.
Also you can look up the 'archives' on various designs, etc.: email
archives, etc. on sailnet, etc.

Tayana, Passport, Valiant, Baba, TaShing, etc.

I'm in Texas (Houston area), so it's good to know that Gulf Coast prices are
best. I thought they might be, compared to a California or Maryland price.
OK, I'm off to sailnet now...

Wendy

One particularly good book that I read a long time ago is
" Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach" by Don Casey.
You can get it anywhere, or from Amazon used for $5. Lots of great
information and very motivating to simplify and not overhwelm yourself
with a big/expensive/state of the art mindset. You might also
consider joining the US Power Squadron. Lots of good courses, very
reasonably priced, and you will meet others who have boats and will
probably be more than happy to share their boats and their experiences
with you.
Just a thought.

Good luck

You might also
consider joining the US Power Squadron.
yuk!

Lots of good courses,

nope.

very
reasonably priced,

cheap, maybe, but WAY overpriced for what you get.

nd you will meet others who have boats and will
probably be more than happy to share their boats and their experiences
with you.

yeah, maybe, could be an advantage, but wandering around boatyards is quicker,
more informative and you meet more people who actually go out on the water.
Still, you can have coffee in a USPS course as some grey haired old man or
woman in a blue uniform tells you what lights to show at night on a disabled
boat with no anchor in a channel with mist forming. You will also learn how to
hit rocks by blinding following a compass heading in a rocky channel in a fog.
And, of course, how many PFD's you need on board and how to put one on.

Or, I suppose Wendy could just go straight to the oracle of all
knowledge, Jax, who believes that all one need do to answer any
question is to call the physics department of the local community
college. Did I say oracle? I meant orifice.

On 29 Jan 2004 18:36:36 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

You might also
consider joining the US Power Squadron.
yuk!

Lots of good courses,

nope.

very
reasonably priced,

cheap, maybe, but WAY overpriced for what you get.

nd you will meet others who have boats and will
probably be more than happy to share their boats and their experiences
with you.

yeah, maybe, could be an advantage, but wandering around boatyards is quicker,
more informative and you meet more people who actually go out on the water.
Still, you can have coffee in a USPS course as some grey haired old man or
woman in a blue uniform tells you what lights to show at night on a disabled
boat with no anchor in a channel with mist forming. You will also learn how to
hit rocks by blinding following a compass heading in a rocky channel in a fog.
And, of course, how many PFD's you need on board and how to put one on.

felton, I gather you have grey hair and a USPS **Blue** uniform, and teach
newbies how to put on PFDs and hit rocks in foggy channels with a compass.

fleton, go sailing.

Or, I suppose Wendy could just go straight to the oracle of all
knowledge, Jax, who believes that all one need do to answer any
question is to call the physics department of the local community
college. Did I say oracle? I meant orifice.

On 29 Jan 2004 18:36:36 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

You might also
consider joining the US Power Squadron.
yuk!

Lots of good courses,

nope.

very
reasonably priced,

cheap, maybe, but WAY overpriced for what you get.

nd you will meet others who have boats and will
probably be more than happy to share their boats and their experiences
with you.

yeah, maybe, could be an advantage, but wandering around boatyards is
quicker,
more informative and you meet more people who actually go out on the water.
Still, you can have coffee in a USPS course as some grey haired old man or
woman in a blue uniform tells you what lights to show at night on a disabled
boat with no anchor in a channel with mist forming. You will also learn how
to
hit rocks by blinding following a compass heading in a rocky channel in a
fog.
And, of course, how many PFD's you need on board and how to put one on.

On 29 Jan 2004 18:54:09 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

felton, I gather you have grey hair and a USPS **Blue** uniform, and teach
newbies how to put on PFDs and hit rocks in foggy channels with a compass.

fleton, go sailing.

No uniform for me, although my hair is "prematurely grey" Perhaps I
just enjoy learning. I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for. I gathered that Wendy's
sailing was as a newbie. I seem to remember there is a vast
difference between "crewing" and actually sailing. For someone who is
looking to actually cruise, it seemed like a valuable use of time to
me. Besides, I have a standing invitation to cruise in Turkey with a
fellow squadron member who has a boat over there. A nice side
benefit

On 29 Jan 2004 18:54:09 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

felton, I gather you have grey hair and a USPS **Blue** uniform, and teach
newbies how to put on PFDs and hit rocks in foggy channels with a compass.

fleton, go sailing.

No uniform for me, although my hair is "prematurely grey" Perhaps I
just enjoy learning. I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for. I gathered that Wendy's
sailing was as a newbie. I seem to remember there is a vast
difference between "crewing" and actually sailing. For someone who is
looking to actually cruise, it seemed like a valuable use of time to
me. Besides, I have a standing invitation to cruise in Turkey with a
fellow squadron member who has a boat over there. A nice side
benefit

felton, I gather you have grey hair and a USPS **Blue** uniform, and teach
newbies how to put on PFDs and hit rocks in foggy channels with a compass.

fleton, go sailing.

Or, I suppose Wendy could just go straight to the oracle of all
knowledge, Jax, who believes that all one need do to answer any
question is to call the physics department of the local community
college. Did I say oracle? I meant orifice.

On 29 Jan 2004 18:36:36 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

You might also
consider joining the US Power Squadron.
yuk!

Lots of good courses,

nope.

very
reasonably priced,

cheap, maybe, but WAY overpriced for what you get.

nd you will meet others who have boats and will
probably be more than happy to share their boats and their experiences
with you.

yeah, maybe, could be an advantage, but wandering around boatyards is
quicker,
more informative and you meet more people who actually go out on the water.
Still, you can have coffee in a USPS course as some grey haired old man or
woman in a blue uniform tells you what lights to show at night on a disabled
boat with no anchor in a channel with mist forming. You will also learn how
to
hit rocks by blinding following a compass heading in a rocky channel in a
fog.
And, of course, how many PFD's you need on board and how to put one on.

Or, I suppose Wendy could just go straight to the oracle of all
knowledge, Jax, who believes that all one need do to answer any
question is to call the physics department of the local community
college. Did I say oracle? I meant orifice.

On 29 Jan 2004 18:36:36 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

You might also
consider joining the US Power Squadron.
yuk!

Lots of good courses,

nope.

very
reasonably priced,

cheap, maybe, but WAY overpriced for what you get.

nd you will meet others who have boats and will
probably be more than happy to share their boats and their experiences
with you.

yeah, maybe, could be an advantage, but wandering around boatyards is quicker,
more informative and you meet more people who actually go out on the water.
Still, you can have coffee in a USPS course as some grey haired old man or
woman in a blue uniform tells you what lights to show at night on a disabled
boat with no anchor in a channel with mist forming. You will also learn how to
hit rocks by blinding following a compass heading in a rocky channel in a fog.
And, of course, how many PFD's you need on board and how to put one on.