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just personal experience, but I find a smaller boat *much* better for going
somewhere, much easier to handle and underway all I needed was a place to
sleep, a way to fix food, and when anchored a place to take a shower and read a
book.

Staying tied to the dock, however, I found one hell of a lot less interesting
than staying in my apartment. Even large boats are tiny compared to even nyc
apartments, though large boats seem better suited to living tied to wood or
concrete than small boats.

It didn't escape me that every crewing op but two I got were for boats 40+ feet
(and of those two one was a guy planning on solo for 900+ who would rather have
crew and his boat was in my boatyard, and the other was a brand new owner of a
boat with no experience of sal****er outside a bay )

btw, I have been away from the EAA a long time, but my baby bro is and has been
actively involved. He has mentioned as well that those there now are more
interested in building masterpieces of flying beauty than of building flying
machines to go bore holes in the sky.

If the thought of purposely spinning an airplane is exciting to you, you will
do more than fine sailing.

You might also
consider joining the US Power Squadron.
yuk!

Yah, I'm not much of a joiner. Got involved with the local EAA chapter a
while back- went to one meeting; it was a bunch of retired airline pilots
with loads of cash to blow on airplane projects. I didn't fit in too well
:) While I am certainly no expert on sailboats, I'm kinda figuring I'll
just buy one and spend a year or so learning how to sail it. I think a lot
of these canned classes are simply designed as an introduction to a boat and
little more (other than money-makers); designed for people who want to do
something different over a weekend. That may be an over-generalization,
though. I feel that the "well here she is, she's yours, now what the hell
are you going to do?" approach, while drastic, will probably yield the best
results. Should be a lot of fun as well.

Yanno, when I got off the motor yacht (MV Little Cayman Diver II, there are
websites out there with pics), I swore I would never live on another boat.
Maybe waiting on guests hand and foot soured me on boats; I once did sixteen
weeks straight without a day off and simply got sick of it. That said, I
can't help but think that my own boat would be a different situation...

Wendy (at work and bored)

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Wendy, you have more seatime than I thought, but as I recall for a 100 ton
license you need 90 (?), 100 (?) days at sea in last year (?) or two (?)
or
three (?). You also have to have it documented (notarized ?) if it is not
your
boat. (I checked to see if I qualified for whatever license a bit ago
[would
cost me about $500 to take six pack tests/etc, and utterly without value I
found out]. It seems I probably could legimately take the 100 ton tests
without ficitionalizing my experience, but again found that other than
driving
a water taxi it didnt seem like I would gain much).

I am sure there are some currency requirements and I would not meet them
now. I don't want to do this professionally anyway- been there, done that,
and didn't care for it (see other post). The FAA has me jumping through
enough hoops as it is- no more federal licenses for me, thanks :)

Wendy

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Wendy, you have more seatime than I thought, but as I recall for a 100 ton
license you need 90 (?), 100 (?) days at sea in last year (?) or two (?)
or
three (?). You also have to have it documented (notarized ?) if it is not
your
boat. (I checked to see if I qualified for whatever license a bit ago
[would
cost me about $500 to take six pack tests/etc, and utterly without value I
found out]. It seems I probably could legimately take the 100 ton tests
without ficitionalizing my experience, but again found that other than
driving
a water taxi it didnt seem like I would gain much).

I am sure there are some currency requirements and I would not meet them
now. I don't want to do this professionally anyway- been there, done that,
and didn't care for it (see other post). The FAA has me jumping through
enough hoops as it is- no more federal licenses for me, thanks :)

Wendy

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

If the thought of purposely spinning an airplane is exciting to you, you
will
do more than fine sailing.

Most of my flying is with Harvey & Rihn Aviation; they specialize in
aerobatics. I love- absolutely love- spinning airplanes. I considered
buying a Pitts Special, but if you think boats are expensive...

Wendy

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

If the thought of purposely spinning an airplane is exciting to you, you
will
do more than fine sailing.

Most of my flying is with Harvey & Rihn Aviation; they specialize in
aerobatics. I love- absolutely love- spinning airplanes. I considered
buying a Pitts Special, but if you think boats are expensive...

Wendy

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On 29 Jan 2004 18:54:09 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

felton, I gather you have grey hair and a USPS **Blue** uniform, and teach
newbies how to put on PFDs and hit rocks in foggy channels with a compass.

fleton, go sailing.

No uniform for me, although my hair is "prematurely grey":) Perhaps I
just enjoy learning. I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for. I gathered that Wendy's
sailing was as a newbie. I seem to remember there is a vast
difference between "crewing" and actually sailing. For someone who is
looking to actually cruise, it seemed like a valuable use of time to
me. Besides, I have a standing invitation to cruise in Turkey with a
fellow squadron member who has a boat over there. A nice side
benefit:)

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On 29 Jan 2004 18:54:09 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

felton, I gather you have grey hair and a USPS **Blue** uniform, and teach
newbies how to put on PFDs and hit rocks in foggy channels with a compass.

fleton, go sailing.

No uniform for me, although my hair is "prematurely grey":) Perhaps I
just enjoy learning. I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for. I gathered that Wendy's
sailing was as a newbie. I seem to remember there is a vast
difference between "crewing" and actually sailing. For someone who is
looking to actually cruise, it seemed like a valuable use of time to
me. Besides, I have a standing invitation to cruise in Turkey with a
fellow squadron member who has a boat over there. A nice side
benefit:)

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JAXAshby wrote:

dougies, don't be stupid, again. The lady is a pilot and she has handled that
well. don't be trying to convince her that sailing a boat is more dangerous.
It is not. Not even close. I say again, NOT EVEV CLOSE.

You need to get a remedial reading course (assuming you learned to read
in the first place).

Nowhere does my post above say that sailing is *more* dangerous. Only
that fatal = fatal, so the consequences of a mishap could be (but not
necessarily are always) equally dire. A math genius such as yourself
shoudn't have a problem grasping this.

DSK

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JAXAshby wrote:

dougies, don't be stupid, again. The lady is a pilot and she has handled that
well. don't be trying to convince her that sailing a boat is more dangerous.
It is not. Not even close. I say again, NOT EVEV CLOSE.

You need to get a remedial reading course (assuming you learned to read
in the first place).

Nowhere does my post above say that sailing is *more* dangerous. Only
that fatal = fatal, so the consequences of a mishap could be (but not
necessarily are always) equally dire. A math genius such as yourself
shoudn't have a problem grasping this.

DSK

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:41:28 GMT, Rosalie B. . After eliminating
makes like Benateau, Irwin,
Catalina, Morgan, etc. this list included

Oh, don't eliminate the Morgans. You'll destroy Planet Skip G

R.

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:41:28 GMT, Rosalie B. . After eliminating
makes like Benateau, Irwin,
Catalina, Morgan, etc. this list included

Oh, don't eliminate the Morgans. You'll destroy Planet Skip G

R.

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:53:00 -0600, "Wendy"
wrote:

Right then- would like to do some single-handing now and again, I am pretty
fit (rock climber), barring 60' seas I doubt I'd fall off, and I probably
have a year or so to find what I want.

Well, then, certain attributes suggest themselves: lines *already* led
back to the cockpit--maybe even a center cockpit, which is arguably
better for women due to the better visibility (I assume you aren't six
feet tall or better...), current autopilot thrown in or provision for
same...a windvane is a bonus, seeing as a single-handed ocean sailor
would want one...Having a year is great...as you will want to check
out a lot of boats. Read The Saga of Skip Gundlach in these archives,
as he is on a very similar mission except he needs a bigger boat
because he is the world's tallest freestanding sailor G



I have loads of experience on the water, just not much fooling around with
sails. I've all the documents rounded up to sit for the USCG 100-ton
license, I've just not gotten around to doing it.

I would suggest it then for purely insurance-related reasons, and
delivery skipper is a good way to "try before you buy", when you think
about it. As for sail changes, join a club race crew on a 35-40 foo
boat. Work the foredeck. Oh, the sails you'll see!

The transatlantic
delivery idea is a good one, but not terribly practical at this point in
time. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, though.

Even a Newport-BVIs-USVIs would do it...just enough to get a feel for
proper offshore weather and waves.



I am more interested in the former, obviously :) I'm not averse to a bit of
work, but I decidedly do not want a project. Boats are enough work as it
is.

Yes, that's true enough. But a lot of otder boats, if well-maintained,
are simple enough because they simply don't have a great deal on board
to go wrong. Fewer thru-hulls, fewer electronics. no elaborate
fridges, bidets, or air-conditioning...it all equals less to break.



I'll google up the saga. I've been doing a bit of flying and, as
problematic as the broken-down boat can be, I can't imagine the situation
would be as dire as an aviation-related failure. I can deal with stress :)

Well, I was thinking along the lines of "hitting a container while
asleep". Having the seamanship to rig a fothering sail or collision
mat (and having that made up ahead of time) is the way to avoid
stress. It's the stuff that happens on the sunny, light air days that
can get you...not necessarily the survival storm drama.

Good points, all of them- thanks for taking the time to write them.

My pleasure. I hope to be where Skip is and where you are
going...long-term cruising...and I follow these processes avidly.

R.

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:53:00 -0600, "Wendy"
wrote:

Right then- would like to do some single-handing now and again, I am pretty
fit (rock climber), barring 60' seas I doubt I'd fall off, and I probably
have a year or so to find what I want.

Well, then, certain attributes suggest themselves: lines *already* led
back to the cockpit--maybe even a center cockpit, which is arguably
better for women due to the better visibility (I assume you aren't six
feet tall or better...), current autopilot thrown in or provision for
same...a windvane is a bonus, seeing as a single-handed ocean sailor
would want one...Having a year is great...as you will want to check
out a lot of boats. Read The Saga of Skip Gundlach in these archives,
as he is on a very similar mission except he needs a bigger boat
because he is the world's tallest freestanding sailor G



I have loads of experience on the water, just not much fooling around with
sails. I've all the documents rounded up to sit for the USCG 100-ton
license, I've just not gotten around to doing it.

I would suggest it then for purely insurance-related reasons, and
delivery skipper is a good way to "try before you buy", when you think
about it. As for sail changes, join a club race crew on a 35-40 foo
boat. Work the foredeck. Oh, the sails you'll see!

The transatlantic
delivery idea is a good one, but not terribly practical at this point in
time. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, though.

Even a Newport-BVIs-USVIs would do it...just enough to get a feel for
proper offshore weather and waves.



I am more interested in the former, obviously :) I'm not averse to a bit of
work, but I decidedly do not want a project. Boats are enough work as it
is.

Yes, that's true enough. But a lot of otder boats, if well-maintained,
are simple enough because they simply don't have a great deal on board
to go wrong. Fewer thru-hulls, fewer electronics. no elaborate
fridges, bidets, or air-conditioning...it all equals less to break.



I'll google up the saga. I've been doing a bit of flying and, as
problematic as the broken-down boat can be, I can't imagine the situation
would be as dire as an aviation-related failure. I can deal with stress :)

Well, I was thinking along the lines of "hitting a container while
asleep". Having the seamanship to rig a fothering sail or collision
mat (and having that made up ahead of time) is the way to avoid
stress. It's the stuff that happens on the sunny, light air days that
can get you...not necessarily the survival storm drama.

Good points, all of them- thanks for taking the time to write them.

My pleasure. I hope to be where Skip is and where you are
going...long-term cruising...and I follow these processes avidly.

R.

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Nahhhh. My wife single-hands our TY37. Once set up and with all the
controls to the cockpit its relatively easy, especially with a boomed
(and vanged) staysail. The only difficulty with a bigger heavier boat
is the size/weight of the sails and if you have to strip them off
entirely for some reason .... .
My personal limit is 400 sq. ft. per sail @ 9 oz/sq. ft. I cant handle
anything larger than that .... balancing on pitching deck holding on
to the sail with one hand plus teeth, etc.

The larger the boat the easier it is to sail (but if and only if - you
know how to 'precisely' sail already). But ..... I entirely agree
that the smaller tippy the boat the faster the learning curve. Perhaps
she should consider to buy a resaleable keelboat 'beater', gain
expertise on the beater, sell it, then buy the 'cruiser'. Nothin'
accelerates the learning curve faster than sailing **often** and
purposely in **all** kinds of weather.
:-)

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to
singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater 33)
or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.

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Nahhhh. My wife single-hands our TY37. Once set up and with all the
controls to the cockpit its relatively easy, especially with a boomed
(and vanged) staysail. The only difficulty with a bigger heavier boat
is the size/weight of the sails and if you have to strip them off
entirely for some reason .... .
My personal limit is 400 sq. ft. per sail @ 9 oz/sq. ft. I cant handle
anything larger than that .... balancing on pitching deck holding on
to the sail with one hand plus teeth, etc.

The larger the boat the easier it is to sail (but if and only if - you
know how to 'precisely' sail already). But ..... I entirely agree
that the smaller tippy the boat the faster the learning curve. Perhaps
she should consider to buy a resaleable keelboat 'beater', gain
expertise on the beater, sell it, then buy the 'cruiser'. Nothin'
accelerates the learning curve faster than sailing **often** and
purposely in **all** kinds of weather.
:-)

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to
singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater 33)
or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.

Offshore cruiser questions
 

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:12:55 -0500, DSK wrote:

Nowhere does my post above say that sailing is *more* dangerous. Only
that fatal = fatal, so the consequences of a mishap could be (but not
necessarily are always) equally dire.

Crash in an aircraft or car (at least over most land) and it usually
is noticed. Going down on a small boat, esp. if run over by a tanker
or something, and nothing may ever be found. Car travel is
quantitatively more dangerous than cruising, I would think, but the
problem with cruising is if you survive a rapid sinking or getting run
down or rammed...what then?

Unpleasant possibilities and the best argument for a personal EPIRB,
perhaps, particularly if single-handing.

R.

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:12:55 -0500, DSK wrote:

Nowhere does my post above say that sailing is *more* dangerous. Only
that fatal = fatal, so the consequences of a mishap could be (but not
necessarily are always) equally dire.

Crash in an aircraft or car (at least over most land) and it usually
is noticed. Going down on a small boat, esp. if run over by a tanker
or something, and nothing may ever be found. Car travel is
quantitatively more dangerous than cruising, I would think, but the
problem with cruising is if you survive a rapid sinking or getting run
down or rammed...what then?

Unpleasant possibilities and the best argument for a personal EPIRB,
perhaps, particularly if single-handing.

R.

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x-no-archive:yes wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:41:28 GMT, Rosalie B. . After eliminating
makes like Benateau, Irwin,
Catalina, Morgan, etc. this list included

Oh, don't eliminate the Morgans. You'll destroy Planet Skip G

Well I'm not a Morgan expert, and there are apparently good and bad
years, so I just eliminated the whole genre because I'm not a broker
and didn't want to go to the trouble to winnow out the good ones.
Anyway, Skip's is bigger I think.

grandma Rosalie

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x-no-archive:yes wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:41:28 GMT, Rosalie B. . After eliminating
makes like Benateau, Irwin,
Catalina, Morgan, etc. this list included

Oh, don't eliminate the Morgans. You'll destroy Planet Skip G

Well I'm not a Morgan expert, and there are apparently good and bad
years, so I just eliminated the whole genre because I'm not a broker
and didn't want to go to the trouble to winnow out the good ones.
Anyway, Skip's is bigger I think.

grandma Rosalie

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You are now in the process of developing a plan. Once developed, work the
plan and eliminate supercilious expenses.
Then just do it! You will have a wonderful experience shared by thousands.
Good luck!

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You are now in the process of developing a plan. Once developed, work the
plan and eliminate supercilious expenses.
Then just do it! You will have a wonderful experience shared by thousands.
Good luck!

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Well, then, certain attributes suggest themselves: lines *already* led
back to the cockpit--maybe even a center cockpit, which is arguably
better for women due to the better visibility

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! bull**** that is.

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Well, then, certain attributes suggest themselves: lines *already* led
back to the cockpit--maybe even a center cockpit, which is arguably
better for women due to the better visibility

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! bull**** that is.

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I would suggest it then for purely insurance-related reasons, and
delivery skipper is a good way to "try before you buy"

bull****!

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I would suggest it then for purely insurance-related reasons, and
delivery skipper is a good way to "try before you buy"

bull****!

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Well, I was thinking along the lines of "hitting a container while
asleep"

only if you have reading books.

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Well, I was thinking along the lines of "hitting a container while
asleep"

only if you have reading books.

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Having the seamanship to rig a fothering sail or collision
mat (and having that made up ahead of time) is the way to avoid
stress. It's the stuff that happens on the sunny, light air days that
can get you...not necessarily the survival storm drama.

bull****, from a dock dweller. ignore.

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Having the seamanship to rig a fothering sail or collision
mat (and having that made up ahead of time) is the way to avoid
stress. It's the stuff that happens on the sunny, light air days that
can get you...not necessarily the survival storm drama.

bull****, from a dock dweller. ignore.

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rich, you sail on the Chesepeake Bay, and on nice weather days. 38' feet is
considered on the upper edge for size for a single hander male, and 34 feet is
considered "about right". A woman might effectively consider something a tad
smaller and be very satisified indeed.

Sailing is not an endurance contest, nor is it a wait for days on end for lite
wind and weather to sail away, nor is turning on the engine because the winds
are too strong to raise the sails considered sailing.

As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.

Nahhhh. My wife single-hands our TY37. Once set up and with all the
controls to the cockpit its relatively easy, especially with a boomed
(and vanged) staysail. The only difficulty with a bigger heavier boat
is the size/weight of the sails and if you have to strip them off
entirely for some reason .... .
My personal limit is 400 sq. ft. per sail @ 9 oz/sq. ft. I cant handle
anything larger than that .... balancing on pitching deck holding on
to the sail with one hand plus teeth, etc.

The larger the boat the easier it is to sail (but if and only if - you
know how to 'precisely' sail already). But ..... I entirely agree
that the smaller tippy the boat the faster the learning curve. Perhaps
she should consider to buy a resaleable keelboat 'beater', gain
expertise on the beater, sell it, then buy the 'cruiser'. Nothin'
accelerates the learning curve faster than sailing **often** and
purposely in **all** kinds of weather.
:-)

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to
singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater
33)
or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.

Offshore cruiser questions
 

rich, you sail on the Chesepeake Bay, and on nice weather days. 38' feet is
considered on the upper edge for size for a single hander male, and 34 feet is
considered "about right". A woman might effectively consider something a tad
smaller and be very satisified indeed.

Sailing is not an endurance contest, nor is it a wait for days on end for lite
wind and weather to sail away, nor is turning on the engine because the winds
are too strong to raise the sails considered sailing.

As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.

Nahhhh. My wife single-hands our TY37. Once set up and with all the
controls to the cockpit its relatively easy, especially with a boomed
(and vanged) staysail. The only difficulty with a bigger heavier boat
is the size/weight of the sails and if you have to strip them off
entirely for some reason .... .
My personal limit is 400 sq. ft. per sail @ 9 oz/sq. ft. I cant handle
anything larger than that .... balancing on pitching deck holding on
to the sail with one hand plus teeth, etc.

The larger the boat the easier it is to sail (but if and only if - you
know how to 'precisely' sail already). But ..... I entirely agree
that the smaller tippy the boat the faster the learning curve. Perhaps
she should consider to buy a resaleable keelboat 'beater', gain
expertise on the beater, sell it, then buy the 'cruiser'. Nothin'
accelerates the learning curve faster than sailing **often** and
purposely in **all** kinds of weather.
:-)

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

Rich, a Tayana 37 or a Valiant 40 might be a tad big for a woman to
singlehand.
A Southern Cross 31(same same as Aries 32 or Weatherly 32 or Roughwater
33)
or
a Luders 33 or a Westsail 28 or a Southern Cross 28, or a Bristol
27/30(?)/32/35, or a Seawind 33 or a Cape Dory 30 or 33, or a Baba 30, etc.

Consider upgrading and refitting a Robert Perry design: Tayana37,
Valiant 40, etc. These older designs (although heavyweight by todays
standards) have dominated passagemaking and voyaging for the past 30+
years.

Offshore cruiser questions
 

"equally dire" eh?

cut the bull****, dougies.

JAXAshby wrote:

dougies, don't be stupid, again. The lady is a pilot and she has handled
that
well. don't be trying to convince her that sailing a boat is more
dangerous.
It is not. Not even close. I say again, NOT EVEV CLOSE.

You need to get a remedial reading course (assuming you learned to read
in the first place).

Nowhere does my post above say that sailing is *more* dangerous. Only
that fatal = fatal, so the consequences of a mishap could be (but not
necessarily are always) equally dire. A math genius such as yourself
shoudn't have a problem grasping this.

DSK

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"equally dire" eh?

cut the bull****, dougies.

JAXAshby wrote:

dougies, don't be stupid, again. The lady is a pilot and she has handled
that
well. don't be trying to convince her that sailing a boat is more
dangerous.
It is not. Not even close. I say again, NOT EVEV CLOSE.

You need to get a remedial reading course (assuming you learned to read
in the first place).

Nowhere does my post above say that sailing is *more* dangerous. Only
that fatal = fatal, so the consequences of a mishap could be (but not
necessarily are always) equally dire. A math genius such as yourself
shoudn't have a problem grasping this.

DSK

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BOO!!

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BOO!!

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Double BOO!!

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Double BOO!!

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Perhaps I
just enjoy learning.

so why take USPS courses? Not much to learn there you couldn't learn in 30
seconds in a West Marine store talking to a pimply faced kid.

I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for.

Why? You have nothing better to do, and you like the coffee?