Offshore cruiser questions
 

Rosie, the problem is not so much learning stuff (and their is damned little to
learn there) but learning stuff that just ain't so, plus it is one awful lot of
time and effort spent to learn how to put on a PFD. There is absolutely
nothing to be learned there in many, many, many hours of classes that can't be
learned in 10 minutes from the appropriate book.

But they serve coffee and wear nifty blue uniforms.

(JAXAshby) wrote:

Perhaps I
just enjoy learning.

so why take USPS courses? Not much to learn there you couldn't learn in 30
seconds in a West Marine store talking to a pimply faced kid.

Even in cases where I thought I knew everything about the subject,
and/or where the instructor was crappy, I've always learned something
with every course I've taken. Unless you contend that you know
everything, there's always more to learn.

I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for.

Why? You have nothing better to do, and you like the coffee?

I took sailing courses, and USCGX courses, and I had Bob take them
with me. He admitted that he learned some stuff too, even though he's
been boating and sailing for years, and was in the Navy for 20 years.
If you pay attention, and actively engage your brain, there will be
something to learn.

grandma Rosalie

Offshore cruiser questions
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:00:28 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:
y

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! bull**** that is.

What is wrong with better visibilty?

I prefer a center cockpit because of

a) better visibility forward (not aft because we have so much stuff on
the aft deck that we can't see aft very well but YMWV on that). We
still have a blind spot under the bow, but I have much less problem
seeing and the blind spot is less for me in a center cockpit. Except
for entering harbors etc, and even for anchoring I prefer to sit and
steer. Or rather - for most of the time I prefer to sit and let the
autopilot steer.

b) Less motion in the cockpit because it's closer to the center of the
boat.

That's what more than one female passagemaker has said to me regarding
visibility. Some people, male and female, find it a drier ride as
well. I've tried both and it's not a make or break thing for me, but I
like the fact that a center cockput vessel usually features good
access to the engine compartment from one or both sides, and
frequently is a little "room" of its own in some surprisingly small
hulls. Even 4 x 4 feet makes a big difference in access.

The motion thing is a bonus.

Now, JAX, if you *spoke* to real live women sailors (instead of just
smarming them on line), you might have employed your usual rapier wit
to better effect. As it is, you stand contradicted...again.

Some days, you seem to prove the only "vessel" you are familiar with
is the one that throbs constantly in your forehead.

Offshore cruiser questions
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:00:28 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:
y

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! bull**** that is.

What is wrong with better visibilty?

I prefer a center cockpit because of

a) better visibility forward (not aft because we have so much stuff on
the aft deck that we can't see aft very well but YMWV on that). We
still have a blind spot under the bow, but I have much less problem
seeing and the blind spot is less for me in a center cockpit. Except
for entering harbors etc, and even for anchoring I prefer to sit and
steer. Or rather - for most of the time I prefer to sit and let the
autopilot steer.

b) Less motion in the cockpit because it's closer to the center of the
boat.

That's what more than one female passagemaker has said to me regarding
visibility. Some people, male and female, find it a drier ride as
well. I've tried both and it's not a make or break thing for me, but I
like the fact that a center cockput vessel usually features good
access to the engine compartment from one or both sides, and
frequently is a little "room" of its own in some surprisingly small
hulls. Even 4 x 4 feet makes a big difference in access.

The motion thing is a bonus.

Now, JAX, if you *spoke* to real live women sailors (instead of just
smarming them on line), you might have employed your usual rapier wit
to better effect. As it is, you stand contradicted...again.

Some days, you seem to prove the only "vessel" you are familiar with
is the one that throbs constantly in your forehead.

Offshore cruiser questions
 

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

Rosie, the problem is not so much learning stuff (and their is damned little to
learn there) but learning stuff that just ain't so, plus it is one awful lot of

There are lots of teachers in lots of places that are teaching lots of
stuff that 'ain't so'. It's a hazard of life, and not particular to
the USCGX or the USPS or any other venue. One of my children's 5th
grade teachers taught them that the blood in the veins is actually
bright blue like in the illustrations. And some songs teach that a
square is not a rectangle.

One of the things that one does is to integrate what one already knows
into what they are telling you and if it doesn't compute, you question
them until they admit defeat!!! (or throw you out of class - I had one
teacher in a course I took as an adult that said I was every teacher's
nightmare)

time and effort spent to learn how to put on a PFD. There is absolutely
nothing to be learned there in many, many, many hours of classes that can't be
learned in 10 minutes from the appropriate book.

I just don't agree with that - I don't think I learned how to put on a
PFD and I did learn lots of other stuff. And they didn't serve coffee
(which i don't drink so I didn't miss it). Of course I was taking
USCGX classes and not USPS classes, but I don't think they are that
different.

But they serve coffee and wear nifty blue uniforms.

(JAXAshby) wrote:

Perhaps I
just enjoy learning.

so why take USPS courses? Not much to learn there you couldn't learn in 30
seconds in a West Marine store talking to a pimply faced kid.

Even in cases where I thought I knew everything about the subject,
and/or where the instructor was crappy, I've always learned something
with every course I've taken. Unless you contend that you know
everything, there's always more to learn.

I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for.

Why? You have nothing better to do, and you like the coffee?

I took sailing courses, and USCGX courses, and I had Bob take them
with me. He admitted that he learned some stuff too, even though he's
been boating and sailing for years, and was in the Navy for 20 years.
If you pay attention, and actively engage your brain, there will be
something to learn.

grandma Rosalie








grandma Rosalie

Offshore cruiser questions
 

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(JAXAshby) wrote:

Rosie, the problem is not so much learning stuff (and their is damned little to
learn there) but learning stuff that just ain't so, plus it is one awful lot of

There are lots of teachers in lots of places that are teaching lots of
stuff that 'ain't so'. It's a hazard of life, and not particular to
the USCGX or the USPS or any other venue. One of my children's 5th
grade teachers taught them that the blood in the veins is actually
bright blue like in the illustrations. And some songs teach that a
square is not a rectangle.

One of the things that one does is to integrate what one already knows
into what they are telling you and if it doesn't compute, you question
them until they admit defeat!!! (or throw you out of class - I had one
teacher in a course I took as an adult that said I was every teacher's
nightmare)

time and effort spent to learn how to put on a PFD. There is absolutely
nothing to be learned there in many, many, many hours of classes that can't be
learned in 10 minutes from the appropriate book.

I just don't agree with that - I don't think I learned how to put on a
PFD and I did learn lots of other stuff. And they didn't serve coffee
(which i don't drink so I didn't miss it). Of course I was taking
USCGX classes and not USPS classes, but I don't think they are that
different.

But they serve coffee and wear nifty blue uniforms.

(JAXAshby) wrote:

Perhaps I
just enjoy learning.

so why take USPS courses? Not much to learn there you couldn't learn in 30
seconds in a West Marine store talking to a pimply faced kid.

Even in cases where I thought I knew everything about the subject,
and/or where the instructor was crappy, I've always learned something
with every course I've taken. Unless you contend that you know
everything, there's always more to learn.

I have taken classes through the Power Squadron
and believe I have gotten something out of them. Same with a Coast
Guard Aux course, J World, Colgate's Offshore Sailing School and
anything else I can find to sign up for.

Why? You have nothing better to do, and you like the coffee?

I took sailing courses, and USCGX courses, and I had Bob take them
with me. He admitted that he learned some stuff too, even though he's
been boating and sailing for years, and was in the Navy for 20 years.
If you pay attention, and actively engage your brain, there will be
something to learn.

grandma Rosalie








grandma Rosalie

Offshore cruiser questions
 

As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.

Most definitely disagree with that .... but for a reason that perhaps
you havent thought of: A TY37 has a relatively high CG thus a long
roll period. I personally now like a long roll period as I dont get so
beat up as when on a 'quick period' boat. I find I puke less when
slow rolling than snap rolling. ..... also much less tiring on long
distance travel.

I really dont understand the physically fit part as with good gear: BIG
winches, slick blocks and higher tech cordage its a breeze to handle,
comfy in a real blow, etc. Hell, with a boomed and vanged staysail,
she's a total self-tacker ---- dont even have to throw a sheet to
tack/gybe. If the genoa is on - just a single set of sheets to handle.
I race mine and find it almost boring in comparison to a fly-weight
'cork'. The only downside that I find to a TY37 is the huge sails
that when need to be removed/replaced ..... are too damn heavy (and
the ultralight super high tech fabric is 4 to 5 times as expensive).
..... lift 1000 sq. ft. set of 9oz. sails across a pitching deck
sometime and youll agree. Otherwise, IMHO - a TY 37 is an 'easy' boat
to sail (inertia/momentum)..

My wife has severe osteoporosis as a result of heavy chemotherapy, and
lots of 'missing' muscles .... with the proper gear she finds NO
problem singlehanding in most conditions - probably due to such a
stable platform. We used to campaign an ILYA scow .... she wont even
get on it anymore ... too physically demanding/tiring. SHE picked this
boat because of its seakindliness and easy handling (MY boat is still
the scow).

If I was in the market for a newer boat, Id definitely consider a
fractional rigged sloop - not as versatile as a cutter but easier to
power-up/power down.

Offshore cruiser questions
 

As good as a Tayana 37 is, it is only considered good for the physically fit
and strong to single hand.

Most definitely disagree with that .... but for a reason that perhaps
you havent thought of: A TY37 has a relatively high CG thus a long
roll period. I personally now like a long roll period as I dont get so
beat up as when on a 'quick period' boat. I find I puke less when
slow rolling than snap rolling. ..... also much less tiring on long
distance travel.

I really dont understand the physically fit part as with good gear: BIG
winches, slick blocks and higher tech cordage its a breeze to handle,
comfy in a real blow, etc. Hell, with a boomed and vanged staysail,
she's a total self-tacker ---- dont even have to throw a sheet to
tack/gybe. If the genoa is on - just a single set of sheets to handle.
I race mine and find it almost boring in comparison to a fly-weight
'cork'. The only downside that I find to a TY37 is the huge sails
that when need to be removed/replaced ..... are too damn heavy (and
the ultralight super high tech fabric is 4 to 5 times as expensive).
..... lift 1000 sq. ft. set of 9oz. sails across a pitching deck
sometime and youll agree. Otherwise, IMHO - a TY 37 is an 'easy' boat
to sail (inertia/momentum)..

My wife has severe osteoporosis as a result of heavy chemotherapy, and
lots of 'missing' muscles .... with the proper gear she finds NO
problem singlehanding in most conditions - probably due to such a
stable platform. We used to campaign an ILYA scow .... she wont even
get on it anymore ... too physically demanding/tiring. SHE picked this
boat because of its seakindliness and easy handling (MY boat is still
the scow).

If I was in the market for a newer boat, Id definitely consider a
fractional rigged sloop - not as versatile as a cutter but easier to
power-up/power down.

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In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

so why take USPS courses? Not much to learn there you couldn't learn
in 30 seconds in a West Marine store talking to a pimply faced kid.

ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAO
....... but the statement rings true !!!!!!!


GOOD ONE!!!

Offshore cruiser questions
 

In article , JAXAshby
wrote:

so why take USPS courses? Not much to learn there you couldn't learn
in 30 seconds in a West Marine store talking to a pimply faced kid.

ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAO
....... but the statement rings true !!!!!!!


GOOD ONE!!!

Offshore cruiser questions
 

thus a long
roll period. I personally now like a long roll period as I dont get so
beat up as when on a 'quick period' boat. I find I puke less when
slow rolling than snap rolling.

I understand the US Navy spent some time and effort to see why sailors get
seasick, and how to stop or reduce it. I understand about 1/3 get sick from a
quick motion, 1/3 from a long motion, and the rest from a combination of the
two.

In addition, not only is a 600 sq ft main sail 3x the weight of a 200 ft sail,
it is also 3x time sq rt 3 more effort to tighten in against the wind. 3x
because it is 3x bigger, and sq rt 3 times because the circle you have to pull
in against gets bigger.

Still, a T-37 catches my attention.