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"Justin C" wrote in message
...
I'll be in the market for a boat soon. Am very tempted to cross to
America (from the UK) to make a purchase... it's just a damn long way
between boats I like the look of! ... the savings could cover the
internal flights and car-hire though.

Justin.

Why go there? Do it all on line and keep the savings for yourself.. You
can
download particulars of lots of similar boats and then choose. Get lots
of
pictures and, when you have decided on one, get an independent survey to
make sure she is Ok.
. BUT, do not forget that you will have to get her EU certified so that
she
comes with EU documentation and a CE mark or the Customs will not release
her on arrival in UK. This last requirement is the only real pita in the
whole affair, because it is pure unnecessary bureaucracy.
Been there, done all that and never set eyes on my beautiful boat until
she
was unloaded over here.
The only requirement is that you have to know enough about the type of
boat
you are buying and/or its designer and builder to do without personal
inspection and sea trial.

Couldn't I just sail it back 'under their radar' ?

No comment. My reply was on the assumption you were a serious person.

What sort of cost could I expect to get it certified? Any web-sites you
can recommend with details of the legislation?

Do your own research. Hint-try googling for 'EU certification of boats'

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In article , Edgar wrote:

"Justin C" wrote in message
...
I'll be in the market for a boat soon. Am very tempted to cross to
America (from the UK) to make a purchase... it's just a damn long way
between boats I like the look of! ... the savings could cover the
internal flights and car-hire though.

Justin.

Why go there? Do it all on line and keep the savings for yourself.. You
can
download particulars of lots of similar boats and then choose. Get lots
of
pictures and, when you have decided on one, get an independent survey to
make sure she is Ok.
. BUT, do not forget that you will have to get her EU certified so that
she
comes with EU documentation and a CE mark or the Customs will not release
her on arrival in UK. This last requirement is the only real pita in the
whole affair, because it is pure unnecessary bureaucracy.
Been there, done all that and never set eyes on my beautiful boat until
she
was unloaded over here.
The only requirement is that you have to know enough about the type of
boat
you are buying and/or its designer and builder to do without personal
inspection and sea trial.

Couldn't I just sail it back 'under their radar' ?

No comment. My reply was on the assumption you were a serious person.

Having never owned a boat before I'm here to learn. I can't see any
reason customs has to know I've purchased a boat... other than declaring
for VAT purposes.

I'm currently taking my Day Skipper course. I have a friend in Canada
who has more sailing experience than I have years (and I'm 40), who
would sail a boat back with me. I am serious about sailing, and I'm
exploring my options WRT buying a boat. My budget is not infinite, the
pound/dollar exchange rate is very appealing, it's something I've at
least to look into.


What sort of cost could I expect to get it certified? Any web-sites you
can recommend with details of the legislation?

Do your own research. Hint-try googling for 'EU certification of boats'

I did. It said 'Your search - "EU certification of boats" - did not match any documents.'

Having googled further afield I've found two sites offering to carry out
the service for power boats, and also, of course, the RYA who only say
that it is required.... Hampshire local government site has some detail,
and from what they say, it looks like it could be more trouble than it's
worth.

Taking the potential cost of RCD certification into consideration (2,000
upwards), VAT on an $80,000 boat, my flight to the USA, my friends
flight back to Canada, I'm not sure it's a good idea. Obviously there's
a sliding scale here, it becomes more cost-effective the higher the
price of the boat. I should imagine that if it's $200,000 or above then
it's pretty much a no-brainer, but at my end of the market there are too
many unknowns that can make it more costly than buying in the UK.

An interesting exercise all the same.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:21:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On 21 Dec 2007 11:29:03 -0600, Dave wrote:

if you don't think you can decline
the proffered hospitality, then you've been arrested.

If there is any doubt, you should ask. If you are not under arrest
you should decline to be detained until you get legal counsel.

C'mon. Cop wants to talk to you for a few minutes because
you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
He wants to eliminate you as a perp, and he has his hands full
so it may take a while. No sense getting into a discussion with him
about "detainment" and "arrest" and lawyers. The results of that
will most likely be time-consuming, stressful and costly. Best be
helpful.
There are cases where innocent people get framed for a crime.
If you find yourself in a police station room with a cop asking
you detailed questions about something you know nothing about,
that's the time to clam up and get a lawyer.
Just watch a few episodes of COPS for how it works in the street
and some "investigative" shows for when not having a lawyer
can be a bad thing.

--Vic

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Well...I warned you...

I told someone to put it where the sun don't shine for trying to
politicize the conversations...and the consensus seemed to be that I was
being overly critical.

But, here's my take.

The Shrub administration took advantage of the situation to create a
huge new organization dedicated to "Homeland Security", somehow this
reminds me of a name the old USSR or Nazi Germany would have come up
with. They managed to get the contracts handed out, non bid at that, to
their friends. Now they have a large contingent of people who are
beholden to the current administration for their jobs. The unmentioned
consequence of voting the current party out of the Whitehouse would be
to reopen the contracts to bidding and since it's nice to have a job
perhaps those few million employees should be careful about how they vote.

If you don't agree...I could give a ****.

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On 2007-12-20 17:45:05 -0500, Dave said:

In some localities they could also charge you with vagrancy if you
didn't have some money on you.

Those laws were held unconstitutional over 40 years ago. Believe it or
not, you can't make it a crime to be penniless.

Sorry, but that's an incorrect assumption. Some jurisdictions still
have that sort of regulation on their books, and they still use them.

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Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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On 23 Dec 2007 16:03:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

Sorry, but that's an incorrect assumption. Some jurisdictions still
have that sort of regulation on their books, and they still use them.

Not an assumption. The Supremes have said so.

It's a long way from the supreme court down to the sheriff of Podunk
Hollow.

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On Dec 19, 9:48 am, "claus" wrote:
The January 2008 issue of SAIL magazine has an editorial about a forthcoming
Coast Guard mandatory license requirement for Recreational boaters. (nothing
to do with the existing license for charters). In addition, the Homeland
security bureaucrats are planning some other rules for pleasure craft:

http://www.aci-na.org/airports_updat...30.html#313384

Anybody know more about the CG License?


We've had licensing requirements here in Canada for some time
(graduated - first for kids, then smaller boats...or something. I got
mine early to get it over with). Many say it's a "tax grab" because
the exam is too easy, but I LIKE it: at least it makes boaters THINK
about safety, and make them aware that there are "rules of the road".
Hell, I need a license to drive my car, or my airplane (if I had
one...), why not for a boat?

As for decimating the boating industry, I don't think the license
requirement will, but I'd think a lot of border marinas (like Friday
Hbr) would be decimated if Canadian boaters like myself see all the
border requirements and say the HELL with visiting the US!

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

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druid wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:48 am, "claus" wrote:
The January 2008 issue of SAIL magazine has an editorial about a forthcoming
Coast Guard mandatory license requirement for Recreational boaters. (nothing
to do with the existing license for charters). In addition, the Homeland
security bureaucrats are planning some other rules for pleasure craft:

http://www.aci-na.org/airports_updat...30.html#313384

Anybody know more about the CG License?


We've had licensing requirements here in Canada for some time
(graduated - first for kids, then smaller boats...or something. I got
mine early to get it over with). Many say it's a "tax grab" because
the exam is too easy, but I LIKE it: at least it makes boaters THINK
about safety, and make them aware that there are "rules of the road".
Hell, I need a license to drive my car, or my airplane (if I had
one...), why not for a boat?

As for decimating the boating industry, I don't think the license
requirement will, but I'd think a lot of border marinas (like Friday
Hbr) would be decimated if Canadian boaters like myself see all the
border requirements and say the HELL with visiting the US!

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

And I see now where some cities such as Seattle are looking at a
bicyle license.
G