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The January 2008 issue of SAIL magazine has an editorial about a forthcoming
Coast Guard mandatory license requirement for Recreational boaters. (nothing
to do with the existing license for charters). In addition, the Homeland
security bureaucrats are planning some other rules for pleasure craft:

http://www.aci-na.org/airports_updat...30.html#313384

Anybody know more about the CG License?

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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:12 -0500, Roger Long wrote:

"claus" wrote

The January 2008 issue of SAIL magazine has an editorial about a
forthcoming Coast Guard mandatory license requirement for Recreational
boaters.

This is coming just as irresistably as the growth of the Chinese economy.
(And no, Tom (whoever), I'm not advocating it.)

It has absolutely nothing to do with boating safety. Homeland security...

ah yes... but don't you think it rings a little truer when pronounced
"Sicherheit der Heimat"? I believe you Americans have the opportunity to
throw the fascists out fairly soon yes?

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Roger Long wrote:
"claus" wrote

The January 2008 issue of SAIL magazine has an editorial about a
forthcoming Coast Guard mandatory license requirement for Recreational
boaters.

This is coming just as irresistably as the growth of the Chinese economy.
(And no, Tom (whoever), I'm not advocating it.)

It has absolutely nothing to do with boating safety. Homeland security
wants to have a better idea who is on the water and be able to keep certain
people off the water so show to the rest of the public that they are being
protected. No, it's not terrorists they want to keep off the water, they
know the terrorists won't bother to get a license before they drive a boat
full of explosives into a tanker or ferry. They also know they can't really
stop that kind of event but they need to assure the public that "bad guys"
are being kept off the water. So, it doesn't even need to be bad guys. Any
guys will do. Did anyone see the 60 minutes show with 14 of the 500 or so
people who all had a common and thoroughly American name (something like,
"Michael Herbert Smith") who suddenly discovered that they couldn't fly
because the name somehow got on the No-Fly list. One of the DHS drones was
saying, "Having a few thousand innocent people unable to fly on commercial
airliners is a small price to pay for protecting our freedoms." Of course,
he didn't say it quite that way but that's what it translates to in normal
English. I guess being able to fly for business or personal reasons isn't a
freedom.

This will decimate the boating industry and be pretty painful to anyone who
wants to sell a boat. The industry is so over developed and crowded that
just a slowing in growth causes panic and a 10% drop in the number of
boating households would be right up there with an asteroid wiping out
Florida. How many people do you think would decide to take up some other
recreational activity if they needed a license? This will fit very nicely
with the DHS real agenda. If you are looking for the needle in a haystack
of a terrorist in a pleasure craft, the fewer straws out there, the better.

--
Roger Long



What if we could get the asteroid to wipe out just Orlando?

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"claus" wrote

The January 2008 issue of SAIL magazine has an editorial about a
forthcoming Coast Guard mandatory license requirement for Recreational
boaters.

This is coming just as irresistably as the growth of the Chinese economy.
(And no, Tom (whoever), I'm not advocating it.)

It has absolutely nothing to do with boating safety. Homeland security
wants to have a better idea who is on the water and be able to keep
certain people off the water so show to the rest of the public that they
are being protected. No, it's not terrorists they want to keep off the
water, they know the terrorists won't bother to get a license before they
drive a boat full of explosives into a tanker or ferry. They also know
they can't really stop that kind of event but they need to assure the
public that "bad guys" are being kept off the water. So, it doesn't even
need to be bad guys. Any guys will do. Did anyone see the 60 minutes
show with 14 of the 500 or so people who all had a common and thoroughly
American name (something like, "Michael Herbert Smith") who suddenly
discovered that they couldn't fly because the name somehow got on the
No-Fly list. One of the DHS drones was saying, "Having a few thousand
innocent people unable to fly on commercial airliners is a small price to
pay for protecting our freedoms." Of course, he didn't say it quite that
way but that's what it translates to in normal English. I guess being
able to fly for business or personal reasons isn't a freedom.

This will decimate the boating industry and be pretty painful to anyone
who wants to sell a boat. The industry is so over developed and crowded
that just a slowing in growth causes panic and a 10% drop in the number of
boating households would be right up there with an asteroid wiping out
Florida. How many people do you think would decide to take up some other
recreational activity if they needed a license? This will fit very nicely
with the DHS real agenda. If you are looking for the needle in a haystack
of a terrorist in a pleasure craft, the fewer straws out there, the
better.

--
Roger Long



No disputing the rush to id for no reason, but I believe this is for boats
entering the US, not ones already here.

"subject small planes and boats entering the United States from other
countries" is the key phrase.

I doubt this will decimate the boating industry in the US.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
There are two entirely separate issues and proposed regulations here. One
is inspection requirements and the other is licensing.

The first won't have much effect on the boating industry although it will
be a pain for international cruisers.

The second will have a huge impact.

Does anybody have any idea what kind of licensing requirements are planned?
I have "googled" the subject in different ways and all I can find is the
statement made by Chertoff some months ago. Amazing that there is evidently
no leak on this plan....

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"claus" wrote in message
. ..

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
There are two entirely separate issues and proposed regulations here.
One is inspection requirements and the other is licensing.

The first won't have much effect on the boating industry although it will
be a pain for international cruisers.

The second will have a huge impact.

Does anybody have any idea what kind of licensing requirements are
planned? I have "googled" the subject in different ways and all I can find
is the statement made by Chertoff some months ago. Amazing that there is
evidently no leak on this plan....



Your googling now has the interest of the DHS. Have you looked out the
window recently?


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...

"Capt. JG" wrote

No disputing the rush to id for no reason, but I believe this is for
boats entering the US, not ones already here.

"subject small planes and boats entering the United States from other
countries" is the key phrase.

I doubt this will decimate the boating industry in the US.


There are two entirely separate issues and proposed regulations here. One
is inspection requirements and the other is licensing.

The first won't have much effect on the boating industry although it will
be a pain for international cruisers.

The second will have a huge impact.

--
Roger Long



I haven't seen the article... Although I'm not enthusiastic about the
red-tape and hassle involved for licensing for regular boaters, I'm
wondering if it's such a terrible thing. (I should add that I'm likely not
affected, since I have a CG license.) One needs a license to operate a motor
vehicle, why not a floating vehicle?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:12 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Much snipped


This will decimate the boating industry and be pretty painful to anyone who
wants to sell a boat. The industry is so over developed and crowded that
just a slowing in growth causes panic and a 10% drop in the number of
boating households would be right up there with an asteroid wiping out
Florida. How many people do you think would decide to take up some other
recreational activity if they needed a license? This will fit very nicely
with the DHS real agenda. If you are looking for the needle in a haystack
of a terrorist in a pleasure craft, the fewer straws out there, the better.


I wonder whether you can still enlist in a pilot training course and
tell them that you don;t want to be bothered in learning how to land
an airplane?

In a more sensible mode, can anyone tell me where the HLS got all
their trained and experienced personal? From abroad it (HLS) appeared
to blossom into being almost over night with agents everywhere. Where
did they all come from?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)

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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:12 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Much snipped


This will decimate the boating industry and be pretty painful to anyone
who
wants to sell a boat. The industry is so over developed and crowded that
just a slowing in growth causes panic and a 10% drop in the number of
boating households would be right up there with an asteroid wiping out
Florida. How many people do you think would decide to take up some other
recreational activity if they needed a license? This will fit very nicely
with the DHS real agenda. If you are looking for the needle in a haystack
of a terrorist in a pleasure craft, the fewer straws out there, the
better.


I wonder whether you can still enlist in a pilot training course and
tell them that you don;t want to be bothered in learning how to land
an airplane?

In a more sensible mode, can anyone tell me where the HLS got all
their trained and experienced personal? From abroad it (HLS) appeared
to blossom into being almost over night with agents everywhere. Where
did they all come from?



Probably rendintioned from Syria.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"claus" wrote in
:

Coast Guard mandatory license requirement for Recreational boaters.

The boat builders, who know most boat purchases are spontaneous and would
not happen if the boater had to go through training and testing to drive
it, have been very successful in seeing this never happens as it's bad for
business.....and business is really bad, anyways.

Isn't this just another method to bleed campaign funds out of manufacturers
in an election year?....(c;

Larry
--
QUOTE OF THE MONTH:
"I have been to several major Chinese cities and have seen first hand shops
crammed with obviously fake American products." - Jon Dudas, Undersecretary
of Commerce for Intellectual Property Rights.

How can they be fake? The Chinese make all "American Products" I use!

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"Roger Long" wrote in
:

This will decimate the boating industry and be pretty painful to
anyone who wants to sell a boat. The industry is so over developed
and crowded that just a slowing in growth causes panic and a 10% drop
in the number of boating households would be right up there with an
asteroid wiping out Florida. How many people do you think would
decide to take up some other recreational activity if they needed a
license? This will fit very nicely with the DHS real agenda. If you
are looking for the needle in a haystack of a terrorist in a pleasure
craft, the fewer straws out there, the better.



Hmm...standing on the dock full of for sale signs....prices plummeting hard
on used boats....six pack or coastal master's license in your pocket.....

Is there a downside to this if you're not a broker or dealer??

Larry
--
QUOTE OF THE MONTH:
"I have been to several major Chinese cities and have seen first hand shops
crammed with obviously fake American products." - Jon Dudas, Undersecretary
of Commerce for Intellectual Property Rights.

How can they be fake? The Chinese make all "American Products" I use!

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On Dec 19, 4:18 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
I haven't seen the article... Although I'm not enthusiastic about the
red-tape and hassle involved for licensing for regular boaters, I'm
wondering if it's such a terrible thing. (I should add that I'm likely not
affected, since I have a CG license.) One needs a license to operate a motor
vehicle, why not a floating vehicle? ...

The CG wants boaters to be required to have positive ID on them at all
times. If your mariners ticket is like mine it is just a bit of paper
and pretty useless as an ID so they'd probably make you at least go
and get a merchant marine ID card (STCW). As Roger points out the CG
is pushing this as a "Homeland Security" measure not a boating safety
measure. Test based licensing is a different thing and while I don't
see any compelling reason for it there is a strong trend towards it in
the states. The group knocked the licensing topic around pretty hard
not too long ago and I'm not excited to revisit it. I hate the idea.
It seems like an expensive solution looking for a problem. And the
short answer to your question seems to me to be that operating motor
vehicles on the roads has proven to be very dangerous even with
mandatory testing while operating boats even without testing have
proven to be pretty safe.

-- Tom.

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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:12 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Much snipped
In a more sensible mode, can anyone tell me where the HLS got all
their trained and experienced personal? From abroad it (HLS) appeared
to blossom into being almost over night with agents everywhere. Where
did they all come from?

Probably illegal immigrants. Have you heard that in UK it has just been
found that hundreds, or even thousands, of people working in 'security' jobs
were given these jobs without a check first to see if they were legally able
to work in UK at all? Some even got jobs in Government Departments,,
including at least one in the Home Ofice itself

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:58:15 GMT, wrote:

ey like
the idea of requiring an ID, but they don't want to get involved in
administering a special ID of their own. They just want you to carry
your drivers licence or a state issued photo ID.

How can that be a problem. I mean all cops are allowed to ask for ID.
It isn't really hard to just carry although you may resent it. Things
are going downhill in the government way of things, and that will not
change.

Casady

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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:23:20 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

wrote

As Roger points out the CG is pushing this as a "Homeland Security"
measure not a boating safety
measure. Test based licensing is a different thing and while I don't
see
any compelling reason for it there is a strong trend towards it in
the states.

Thinking about it more, I don't think this will have a huge impact on the
boating industry. The interest groups that would be harmed by test based
licensing sufficient to raise the average standard of competence enough to
have a measurable impact on accident rates and search and rescue costs are
powerful enough that it just isn't going to happen. That would require a
course of instruction at least as long and expensive as the rather minimal
training standards for aircraft. Even that wouldn't do much. 10 - 15
hour
solo flight trainees actually have lower accident rates than 500 hour
pilots. 10,000 hour pilots do incredibly boneheaded things and die.
State
mandated boater safety courses with some kind of certificate that has to
be
presented to register a boat are coming, however. They will increase the
number of people who know the right of way rules enough to make it a
little
less nerve-wracking to be out on a busy Sunday afternoon and eat into the
fiberglass repair business slightly but won't do much else. The fee that
the states can collect when the certificate is issued probably has as much
to do with these programs as concern about the accident rates.

What is inevitable, I'm sure, is a cereal box top style license like the
VHF
operators license. Nothing scares the people protecting our freedoms more
than the public actually being free. They need everyone to have something
that can be taken away if they wish to deprive a person of the ability to
operate a watercraft legally. This satisfies the governmental instinct
for
control and political need to reassure the general non-boating populous
that
the waterways are are not a wild frontier. The fact that you don't need
to
operate legally to blow something up with a boat is irrelevant. It's all
smoke and mirrors, like the obsession with taking away nail clippers on
airlines just before the last presidential election.

Sigh... As I have pointed out before, this is a non-issue. The USCG
changed it's mind about this, and has said so in writing. They like
the idea of requiring an ID, but they don't want to get involved in
administering a special ID of their own. They just want you to carry
your drivers licence or a state issued photo ID.

How much more do they want? I carry a retired military ID card, and driver's
license both with pictures.
Of course, coming back from down island we would add the passport to the
pile. Homeland Security is
just another boondoggle so full of holes and for us taxpayers to foot the
bill.

Leanne

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wrote in message
...
On Dec 19, 4:18 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
I haven't seen the article... Although I'm not enthusiastic about the
red-tape and hassle involved for licensing for regular boaters, I'm
wondering if it's such a terrible thing. (I should add that I'm likely
not
affected, since I have a CG license.) One needs a license to operate a
motor
vehicle, why not a floating vehicle? ...

The CG wants boaters to be required to have positive ID on them at all
times. If your mariners ticket is like mine it is just a bit of paper
and pretty useless as an ID so they'd probably make you at least go
and get a merchant marine ID card (STCW). As Roger points out the CG
is pushing this as a "Homeland Security" measure not a boating safety
measure. Test based licensing is a different thing and while I don't
see any compelling reason for it there is a strong trend towards it in
the states. The group knocked the licensing topic around pretty hard
not too long ago and I'm not excited to revisit it. I hate the idea.
It seems like an expensive solution looking for a problem. And the
short answer to your question seems to me to be that operating motor
vehicles on the roads has proven to be very dangerous even with
mandatory testing while operating boats even without testing have
proven to be pretty safe.

-- Tom.


I believe it's TWIC, since I don't cross international boarders with my
license, but ok. I know you're right. I think it should be a boating safety
issue not a HS issue. I think a simple written test wouldn't be all that
terrible. Re driver licenses, I haven't had to do a test for that in 25
years (or more)... it's all done by mail unless you have a bunch of tickets.
What's wrong with first time boat owners having to take a written test?
While boating is much, much safer, I don't see why it would be such a
terrible thing.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Edgar" wrote in message
...

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:12 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

Much snipped
In a more sensible mode, can anyone tell me where the HLS got all
their trained and experienced personal? From abroad it (HLS) appeared
to blossom into being almost over night with agents everywhere. Where
did they all come from?

Probably illegal immigrants. Have you heard that in UK it has just been
found that hundreds, or even thousands, of people working in 'security'
jobs were given these jobs without a check first to see if they were
legally able to work in UK at all? Some even got jobs in Government
Departments,, including at least one in the Home Ofice itself



And, there was that FBI agent who's relatives were working with Ossama...
but who's counting....


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:56:40 -0800, Stephen Trapani wrote:

Nice hit on the first swing by the blindfolded kid though, eh?

are you referring to WTC Bldg. 7?

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In article , Larry wrote:

Hmm...standing on the dock full of for sale signs....prices plummeting hard
on used boats....six pack or coastal master's license in your pocket.....

Is there a downside to this if you're not a broker or dealer??

Larry

I'll be in the market for a boat soon. Am very tempted to cross to
America (from the UK) to make a purchase... it's just a damn long way
between boats I like the look of! ... the savings could cover the
internal flights and car-hire though.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

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Roger Long wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote

We removed Afghanistan as a safe haven. Bullseye.

We did?

I take it you don't read newspapers.

Afghanistan was a place they could openly train and safely congregate
while they plan our demise. That, of course, has drastically changed.
Now all they can do there is hide in holes. They are unable to conduct
any operations there, they're lucky to be able to hang on to their
lives. No more safe haven.

Stephen

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On Dec 20, 10:45 pm, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:31:23 GMT, said:

I believe they can then take you "downtown" to see about establishing
your identity.

You believe wrong. That would be an arrest. An arrest may not be made
without probable cause to believe you have committed a crime.
You do have to Identifiy yourself if asked, but you don't have to
carry ID.
brown v. texas



At that point, you would be foolish to escalate things
by trying to walk away. If you are a holder of a drivers license, you
are required by law to show it to any LEO upon request. You agreed to
that when you got the license. Be smart, and carry it, Dave.

Only if driving [engaging in commerce].

You may have so agreed. I didn't.

In some localities they could also charge you with vagrancy if you
didn't have some money on you.

Those laws were held unconstitutional over 40 years ago. Believe it or not,
you can't make it a crime to be penniless.
If you have an ID [14th amendment citizenship establishment ID] then
you
don't have to carry money.
Contrarywise, If you have $20 in you pocket [gold OR silver] then
you've
established yourself as a freeman [as opposed to 14th Amend. Citizen/
slave]
and your word is bond [you don't need to carry ID cards].

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"Leanne" wrote in :

Homeland Security is
just another boondoggle so full of holes and for us taxpayers to foot
the bill.

Leanne

There is no homeland security. We sailed from hundreds of miles offshore
into Charleston Harbor, in broad daylight. Not a single government
bureaucrat stopped us to ask if we had any WMDs aboard, not one.

When the Russians were the Soviets, I used to work on the ships at
Norfolk Naval Base, right next door to the grain loading docks where
massive Soviet ships loaded up on US grain to feed their masses, making
food in America much more expensive for Americans.

One day, I was drinking a cup of the XO's coffee on the bridge deck of a
heavy cruiser who needed my attention. XO and I were musing over the
harbor and its inhabitants and I said to him, "What's to stop the
Russians on that ship from having a 50 megaton hydrogen weapon in a lead-
lined shielded compartment in the center of the ship, unbeknownst to her
crew hooked to a satellite phone receiver pointed at Moscow? He looked
shocked!

Stupid asses...Why do we let our ENEMIES plant nuclear weapons right next
to the biggest naval base on the Atlantic side of the country? Didn't we
learn ANYTHING at Pearl Harbor in '41? Stupid asses...all the ships come
in to park together....then they all leave together, about the SAME time
as the Soviet grain ships, coincidentally! Well....Duhhh!

Larry
--
Their not concerned with "Homeland Security" when it wasn't "them" but
"US" who blew up 9/11/2001....while the whole US military machine just
took the day off to watch? Well....Duhhhh...

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Dave wrote in
:

So far as I'm aware there
is no requirement to carry identification if you're simply walking
along the street.

Think Again.....It just hasn't been IMPLEMENTED...yet.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12...1/article.html
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...191857,00.html

http://www.nonationalid.com/
"The Real ID Act, passed by Congress and signed by President Bush on May
11, 2005, mandates that all U.S. citizens will receive a National ID card
by May of 2008."

The Real ID Act of 2005....and YOU thought it was about Tsunami Relief,
like it said on the front!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act

"Legislative history

The Real ID Act started off as H.R. 418, which passed the House[1] and
went stagnant. Representative James Sensenbrenner (R) of Wisconsin, the
author of the original Real ID Act, then attached it as a rider on a
military spending bill (H.R. 1268). The House of Representatives passed
that spending bill with the Real ID rider 368-58[2], and the Senate
passed the joint House-Senate conference report on that bill 100-0.[3].
There was no debate whatsoever on this piece of legislation. President
Bush signed it into law on May 11, 2005[4].

On March 2, 2007, it was announced that enforcement of the Act would be
postponed for two years[5]. The provisions of the bill will be delayed
from going into effect until December 2009."

"Please have your RFID chip ready for scanning, Sheeple."

Larry
--
No Chip?
No Driving
No Banking
No Job
No Money
No entrance to any govt building
No licenses of any kind issued
No credit cards, bank cards, financial access
No buying anything...house, cars, food, even WalMart
a non-person on the run.....like in Blade Runner...open season.
Every movement, every action, all tracked. It's good for you!
It's not just a good idea....IT'S THE LAW, ALREADY! And noone even
mentioned it on TV controlled by "them".

We'll execute Sensenbrenner as the “First Republican to hang”.
It’s a start.....

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tlindly wrote in news:ab0d08c4-82e9-437f-88b3-
:

You do have to Identifiy yourself if asked, but you don't have to
carry ID.


Real ID Act of 2005. You DO have to ID after its implementation.

Larry
--
QUOTE OF THE MONTH:
"I have been to several major Chinese cities and have seen first hand shops
crammed with obviously fake American products." - Jon Dudas, Undersecretary
of Commerce for Intellectual Property Rights.

How can they be fake? The Chinese make all "American Products" I use!

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Stephen Trapani wrote in news:YtBaj.5461
:

I'm curious as to who
you think the targets should be.


The Freemasons who attacked us....and took the entire US military machine
offline for the day they did it.

Hours and hours and not one goddamned jet shot any airliner down.....except
Flight 93 in PA because the passengers cellphoned home to tell their
families they were about to TAKE BACK THE AIRPLANE and blow the lid off
this puppy!

Larry
--
Hell, many of the “terrorists” on the planes are STILL ALIVE IN THE MIDDLE
EAST!

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Stephen Trapani wrote in news:kwBaj.5462
:

Afghanistan was a place they could openly train and safely congregate
while they plan our demise. That, of course, has drastically changed.
Now all they can do there is hide in holes. They are unable to conduct
any operations there, they're lucky to be able to hang on to their
lives. No more safe haven.

Stephen



How did Middle East Terrorists, Afghan or otherwise, take down WTC bldg
7? Was Allah doing it for them, or was it thermate?

How did Middle East Terrorists, Afghan or otherwise, put the whole US
military machine inside the USA on STANDDOWN for a whole day while
Freemason Cheney was telling some underling, “The order still stands.”

How did Middle East Terrorists, who couldn’t fly a Cessna for their
flight instructors, fly a fully-loaded airliner around a 270 degree turn
and through a 16’ hole in the UNINHABITED part of the Pentagon? If you
were flying that mission, wouldn’t you try to fly right into THE JOINT
CHIEFS OF STAFF OFFICES on the side of the building YOU WERE ALREADY
COMING IN TOWARDS?....killing as many top Freemasons and
Generals/Admirals as possible?

Bull****.....pure bull****.

Larry
--
QUOTE OF THE MONTH:
"I have been to several major Chinese cities and have seen first hand
shops crammed with obviously fake American products." - Jon Dudas,
Undersecretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property Rights.

How can they be fake? The Chinese make all "American Products" I use!

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On 20 Dec 2007 16:45:05 -0600, Dave wrote:

I believe they can then take you "downtown" to see about establishing
your identity.


You believe wrong. That would be an arrest.

No, that would be a "detention".

an arrest may not be made
without probable cause to believe you have committed a crime.

That's true but you may be "detained" for questioning. Your recourse
is to call a lawyer.

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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:kwBaj.5462
:

Afghanistan was a place they could openly train and safely congregate
while they plan our demise. That, of course, has drastically changed.
Now all they can do there is hide in holes. They are unable to conduct
any operations there, they're lucky to be able to hang on to their
lives. No more safe haven.

Stephen



How did Middle East Terrorists, Afghan or otherwise, take down WTC bldg
7? Was Allah doing it for them, or was it thermate?

How did Middle East Terrorists, Afghan or otherwise, put the whole US
military machine inside the USA on STANDDOWN for a whole day while
Freemason Cheney was telling some underling, “The order still stands.”

How did Middle East Terrorists, who couldn’t fly a Cessna for their
flight instructors, fly a fully-loaded airliner around a 270 degree turn
and through a 16’ hole in the UNINHABITED part of the Pentagon? If you
were flying that mission, wouldn’t you try to fly right into THE JOINT
CHIEFS OF STAFF OFFICES on the side of the building YOU WERE ALREADY
COMING IN TOWARDS?....killing as many top Freemasons and
Generals/Admirals as possible?

Bull****.....pure bull****.

Mind control aliens took over and bent everyone to their devilish alien
scheme?

Stephen

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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:YtBaj.5461
:

I'm curious as to who
you think the targets should be.


The Freemasons who attacked us....and took the entire US military machine
offline for the day they did it.

Hours and hours and not one goddamned jet shot any airliner down.....except
Flight 93 in PA because the passengers cellphoned home to tell their
families they were about to TAKE BACK THE AIRPLANE and blow the lid off
this puppy!


Shoot, I was close!

Stephen

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Mind control aliens took over and bent everyone to their devilish alien
scheme?


Whould you two grow up?

Please?

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:59:24 -0600, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Mind control aliens took over and bent everyone to their devilish alien
scheme?


Whould you two grow up?

Please?

You also noticed that it is past time for this thread to die.

Casady

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On 20 Dec 2007 20:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote:


That's true but you may be "detained" for questioning. Your recourse
is to call a lawyer.

Best stick to fields you know, Wayne.

As always I defer to your wise counsel.

Please enlighten us as you criticize. I don't have any experience at
all with being detained for questioning but it's my understanding that
it happens: suspicion of probable cause, person of interest, possible
material witness, etc.

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"Justin C" wrote in message
...
In article , Larry wrote:

Hmm...standing on the dock full of for sale signs....prices plummeting
hard
on used boats....six pack or coastal master's license in your pocket.....

Is there a downside to this if you're not a broker or dealer??

Larry

I'll be in the market for a boat soon. Am very tempted to cross to
America (from the UK) to make a purchase... it's just a damn long way
between boats I like the look of! ... the savings could cover the
internal flights and car-hire though.

Justin.

Why go there? Do it all on line and keep the savings for yourself.. You can
download particulars of lots of similar boats and then choose. Get lots of
pictures and, when you have decided on one, get an independent survey to
make sure she is Ok.
.. BUT, do not forget that you will have to get her EU certified so that she
comes with EU documentation and a CE mark or the Customs will not release
her on arrival in UK. This last requirement is the only real pita in the
whole affair, because it is pure unnecessary bureaucracy.
Been there, done all that and never set eyes on my beautiful boat until she
was unloaded over here.
The only requirement is that you have to know enough about the type of boat
you are buying and/or its designer and builder to do without personal
inspection and sea trial.

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On 20 Dec 2007 20:22:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

I believe they can then take you "downtown" to see about establishing
your identity.


You believe wrong. That would be an arrest.

No, that would be a "detention".

an arrest may not be made
without probable cause to believe you have committed a crime.

That's true but you may be "detained" for questioning. Your recourse
is to call a lawyer.

Best stick to fields you know, Wayne.

Here's some advice from people who know:

http://www.jkrlaw.com/video/police-detentions.html

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In article , Edgar wrote:

"Justin C" wrote in message
...
In article , Larry wrote:

Hmm...standing on the dock full of for sale signs....prices plummeting
hard
on used boats....six pack or coastal master's license in your pocket.....

Is there a downside to this if you're not a broker or dealer??

Larry

I'll be in the market for a boat soon. Am very tempted to cross to
America (from the UK) to make a purchase... it's just a damn long way
between boats I like the look of! ... the savings could cover the
internal flights and car-hire though.

Justin.

Why go there? Do it all on line and keep the savings for yourself.. You can
download particulars of lots of similar boats and then choose. Get lots of
pictures and, when you have decided on one, get an independent survey to
make sure she is Ok.
. BUT, do not forget that you will have to get her EU certified so that she
comes with EU documentation and a CE mark or the Customs will not release
her on arrival in UK. This last requirement is the only real pita in the
whole affair, because it is pure unnecessary bureaucracy.
Been there, done all that and never set eyes on my beautiful boat until she
was unloaded over here.
The only requirement is that you have to know enough about the type of boat
you are buying and/or its designer and builder to do without personal
inspection and sea trial.

Couldn't I just sail it back 'under their radar' ?

What sort of cost could I expect to get it certified? Any web-sites you
can recommend with details of the legislation?

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

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On 21 Dec 2007 11:29:03 -0600, Dave wrote:

if you don't think you can decline
the proffered hospitality, then you've been arrested.

If there is any doubt, you should ask. If you are not under arrest
you should decline to be detained until you get legal counsel.