Larry wrote:
60,000-70,000 die every year from medical mistakes....and is not
"news" for investigative reporting.......Why?


Because a heck of a lot more people gain very significant improvements
in their lives... in fact, the very continuance of their lives....
because of medical non-mistakes.

If you're worried about doctors making mistakes (and they are only
human, despite what they're taught in med school), don't go to one.

DSK

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:49:45 -0800, dougking888 wrote:

Larry wrote:
60,000-70,000 die every year from medical mistakes....and is not "news"
for investigative reporting.......Why?


Because a heck of a lot more people gain very significant improvements
in their lives... in fact, the very continuance of their lives....
because of medical non-mistakes.

If you're worried about doctors making mistakes (and they are only
human, despite what they're taught in med school), don't go to one.

DSK

Like anything else, there are some very good doctors out there, and there
are some very bad doctors. Unfortunately, there aren't many good ways to
find out which is which.

On Dec 16, 9:06 pm, wrote:
Like anything else, there are some very good doctors out there, and there
are some very bad doctors. Unfortunately, there aren't many good ways to
find out which is which.

Yes, there is. First resource (in fact i would recommend this to Skip)
is the state medical review board. Find out how many problems any
particular doc has had with the procedure you're considering, how many
times they've been sued, etc etc.

The next is to get a list of board-certified MDs in the specialty
you're interested in. Although it isn't a guarantee, some real lu-lus
get thru board certs, but at least you're not going to a doc who once
heard about your procedure over pizza & beer back when he was a
resident, and hasn't even read a magazine article about it since.

Remember, lawyers make more money from the American health-care system
than doctors do. And the gov't wants to keep it that way.

DSK

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On Dec 16, 9:06 pm, wrote:
Like anything else, there are some very good doctors out there, and there
are some very bad doctors. Unfortunately, there aren't many good ways to
find out which is which.

Yes, there is. First resource (in fact i would recommend this to Skip)
is the state medical review board. Find out how many problems any
particular doc has had with the procedure you're considering, how many
times they've been sued, etc etc.

The next is to get a list of board-certified MDs in the specialty
you're interested in. Although it isn't a guarantee, some real lu-lus
get thru board certs, but at least you're not going to a doc who once
heard about your procedure over pizza & beer back when he was a
resident, and hasn't even read a magazine article about it since.

Remember, lawyers make more money from the American health-care system
than doctors do. And the gov't wants to keep it that way.

DSK



Some states have hospital comparison information available, such as is
starting to be the case in Cal.

http://www.calhospitalcompare.org/


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"Capt. JG" wrote:
Some states have hospital comparison information available, such as is
starting to be the case in Cal.

http://www.calhospitalcompare.org/


Another excellent resource, thanks.

It's over due for a discussion of how cruisers manage their doctors
visits, not to mention insurance.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:53:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It's over due for a discussion of how cruisers manage their doctors
visits, not to mention insurance.

Interesting point, especially when headed for an international
destination. Fortunately we've never needed medical care while on our
5 and 6 month east coast cruises but it could certainly happen.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:53:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It's over due for a discussion of how cruisers manage their doctors
visits, not to mention insurance.

Interesting point, especially when headed for an international
destination. Fortunately we've never needed medical care while on our
5 and 6 month east coast cruises but it could certainly happen.



D.A.N. offers medical insurance and emergency evac... www.dan.org.

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On 2007-12-18 23:09:41 -0500, Wayne.B said:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:53:13 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It's overdue for a discussion of how cruisers manage their doctors
visits, not to mention insurance.

Interesting point, especially when headed for an international
destination. Fortunately we've never needed medical care while on our
5 and 6 month east coast cruises but it could certainly happen.

A few of the stories I've heard over the years indicated that
outpatient service in many places costs less than the co-pays we have
come to expect.

But, evac for major stuff is quite expen$ive! Guy on one of our BVI
trips jumped off of the other boat onto the dock and broke both ankles.
Airlift to St. Thomas for major surgery and thence back to England was
"not trivial". Seems the UK system covered most of his costs, but I
believe he was out-of-pocket for some. And at least one on this list
can relate the story of a heart attack requiring a trip back to the US.

DAN is good for some stuff, but I believe there's a plan through the
SSCA that sounded better when I investigated.

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Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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It's over due for a discussion of how cruisers manage their doctors
visits, not to mention insurance.



Why do cruisers, or any of the rest of us, have to "manage their doctors
visits" at all? What profitable diseases do doctors prevent, at their own
expense?

Can we afford to find a cure for cancer? Of course not....no more than for
any other real or contrived (HIV) diseases.

Larry
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How can they be fake? The Chinese make all "American Products" I use!

wrote:

Remember, lawyers make more money from the American health-care system
than doctors do. And the gov't wants to keep it that way.

More accurately: The lawyers pay the government to keep it that way.

As soon as someone comes up with something more powerful than what the
lawyers pay, the laws will change.

Stephen